Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Diocletus said:
Ms Comodi said: "There is an ill wind blowing in this case. The judge and his assistant are clearly against us. I can see both Knox and Sollecito being freed which will be a shame as they are both involved."

Sue that bitch.
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Sue that bitch and send Stefaninny to jail for four years, Mignini 16 months, and Massei should appear in a real court to receive a suspended sentence.

And give Commodi a very hard clip on the back of the head. It's nice to see that Hellman is as disgusted by the offensive prosecution as the rest of us are.

The signs are very clear, we'll all be doing somersaults soon...
 
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komponisto said:
The irony is that these two are mostly incompatible, almost by definition: volatile situations are usually those about which black-and-white certainty is the most difficult to have!
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Very true. But it appears that most of the public don't seem to notice or mind if the situation flip-flops from pure black to pure white. They don't seem to like the shades of grey in between. "Oooh look: it's black!" "Ooh look: it's now white!" That's far more pantomime-easy for most of the general public, it appears....
 
By the way, although Matthew Chance works for US Media conglomerate CNN, he's actually British, with a very impressive print and broadcast journalism pedigree. He is currently a senior international correspondent for CNN and CNNi.
 
So the Knife is filed under "garbage evidence".

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...or-new-dna-review-in-knox-appeal/1?csp=34news

Hellman seems to make sense, no blood on the knife, so who cares about the controls proving the tool is clean and calibrated.
DNA could have come from anywhere, but at RFU peaks so low, it should never have been accepted as evidence.

Mixed traces, Bathmat print, Filomenas room....

I'll bet the prosecution is pissed they spent all that money on the expensive animated movie and now its pretty much worthless.
I wonder how much they spent on that?

Probably enough to buy video recorders for the interrogation rooms.

And my personal question is will Edgardo Giobbi remove the pictures from his wall now?
 
LondonJohn said:
HOLY SMOKE!

If Comodi really did say this:

"There is an ill wind blowing in this case. The judge and his assistant are clearly against us. I can see both Knox and Sollecito being freed which will be a shame as they are both involved."

and it's been accurately reported, then she's having a total and utter meltdown. This is contempt of court, pure and simple. She's questioning the court's integrity and neutrality, and she's also making wholly improper statements regarding the status of an acquittal.

If this is an accurate quote and translation (obviously she'd have said it in Italian), then I suspect that it might get Comodi in quite serious trouble. I hope so: she's a menace and a bully, and deserves her comeuppance.
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I have tried finding this in the Italian press but to no avail - it may show up later (or perhaps earlier since she was stated to have said this before court today).

This is why I like Hellmann - who I think is a fair judge to both sides:

http://www.libero-news.it/articolo.jsp?id=816489

Basically says the court has all it needs (from the experts' report to the testimony of the consultants) to make a just and reasoned convincement (this in not allowing the retesting or deposition of Aviello).
 
Hopefully we will be turning our attention to consequences for the people who caused and supported this miscarriage of justice,and hope the consequences for
Mignini
Commodi
Stefanoni
Massei
Napoleoni
Nadeau
Quinnell
Ganong
to name but a few will be very dire indeed
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
I couldn't resist a peep down the rabbit holes... those people are simply incapable of revising their beliefs in light of new evidence.
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Of course. I don't expect any of them to change their minds just because a court decides in favour of Knox & Sollecito. Even the ones who were here crowing about how the court had decided and that was enough for them probably won't sing the same tune when a court makes a decision that they disagree with.
 
smkovalinksy said:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-wins-round-italian-court/story?id=14462692
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ABC said:
The request to do additional tests on the DNA came after a court appointed independent panel issued a scathing report on the prosecutions' handling and analyzing of key pieces of the DNA evidence used to win a murder conviction of Knox and her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito. The independent experts concluded that material should not have been admitted as evidence.
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Has anyone seen confirmation of this?
In other words there's no DNA of Meredith on the knife, just Amanda's, and the bra clasp becomes an item that was kicked around the floor of the room and has nothing of Raffaele's? Neither legally evidence of murder?
 
Kenneth Ryan from Cal State Fresno

has another blog piece out. I think his reasoning is confused. He is a criminologist, and he wrote, "Other charges leveled at Italian investigators suggest that DNA test results pointing at Knox’s guilt were fabricated because, in one example, there was an insufficient latent sample to test for DNA. An insufficient sample infers that Italian lab technicians lied about the results."
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The premise is wrong. Having only enough material to perform a low template DNA analysis falls short of LCN guidelines, nothing more.
 
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They have their own version of komponisto over on PMF who currently gives the odds like this:

Acquittal or reduction in sentence: less than 1%
Life sentence or 30 years in prison: 25%
Confirmation i.e. 21 to 25 years in prison: unstated but "the bulk". As there are no other options I think he or she is suggesting 74%.

It seems he or she doesn't put much stock in Comodi's opinion.
 
Kaosium said:
Has anyone seen confirmation of this?
In other words there's no DNA of Meredith on the knife, just Amanda's, and the bra clasp becomes an item that was kicked around the floor of the room and has nothing of Raffaele's? Neither legally evidence of murder?
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The "Too Low" reading means it should not even been tested to begin with, as Stefanoni did with numerous other pieces of evidence that read "Too Low".

As stated in the appeal "Too Low" means no DNA at all or such a small amount that the test result would be unreliable.
 
RoseMontague said:
The "Too Low" reading means it should not even been tested to begin with, as Stefanoni did with numerous other pieces of evidence that read "Too Low".

As stated in the appeal "Too Low" means no DNA at all or such a small amount that the test result would be unreliable.
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Frank says that Stef said this:

"She explained why she wrote on her report that the knife was tested with Real Time PCR (instead it was done with fluorimeter, being the Real Time machine out of order): “My mistake”.
Or why she didn’t report the quantity of DNA: “I forgot”."

Wait a minute. If the fluorimeter said "too low" then there should be no quantity to report.

Is this yet another Stef lie? When she says that she "forgot" to write down a quanitity, is that a lie, since she never had an actual quantity that she could have written down?

Looks that way to me if Frank is accurate.
 
Uhhhh

Matthew Best said:
They have their own version of komponisto over on PMF who currently gives the odds like this:

Acquittal or reduction in sentence: less than 1%
Life sentence or 30 years in prison: 25%
Confirmation i.e. 21 to 25 years in prison: unstated but "the bulk". As there are no other options I think he or she is suggesting 74%.

It seems he or she doesn't put much stock in Comodi's opinion.
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Wouldn't it be more accurate to say:
Comodi's reported opinion ?

And even if accurately reported before proffering it as significant, should we not keep it in tune the latest loud chorus here:

... It is not meaningful because it is only merely "what someone said"...

and the last verse from the resident superhuman mind readers here...

......"what she really meant is...."
 
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Matthew Best said:
They have their own version of komponisto over on PMF who currently gives the odds like this:

Acquittal or reduction in sentence: less than 1%
Life sentence or 30 years in prison: 25%
Confirmation i.e. 21 to 25 years in prison: unstated but "the bulk". As there are no other options I think he or she is suggesting 74%.

It seems he or she doesn't put much stock in Comodi's opinion.
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Does that guy pick stocks? I'd like to short his recommendations asap.
 
Matthew Best said:
They have their own version of komponisto over on PMF who currently gives the odds like this:

Acquittal or reduction in sentence: less than 1%
Life sentence or 30 years in prison: 25%
Confirmation i.e. 21 to 25 years in prison: unstated but "the bulk". As there are no other options I think he or she is suggesting 74%.

It seems he or she doesn't put much stock in Comodi's opinion.
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Diocletus beat me to the punch, but I was going to say that I would love to make a bet with this person.
 
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