Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[pilot padron]

Buenos Noches, Amigos

How do you know this? Just because Stefanoni said so? Is there any documentation that she even said that? Is your position that Stef used plastic bags back in 2007, when that was not the accepted method, but since then, the DNA community has caught up with her brilliant anticipation of what would become the standard in 2011??

1) May I respectfully observe. not necessarily as a "brilliant anticipation", but as a probable simple fact that a major portion of the 65,000+ arguments here (and on the nywired or whatever) are based on "what someone said"

2) Some, such as mine above are additionally credible because it happens to be have been said under oath.

3) Certainly with your greater than mine experience posting and replying on Forums, you can do the required research on your own concerning your other 'questions'.

And with that I bid you adios

 

[curi0us]

No, You are mistaken:
1) It was not "well known".
2) It was not an "'obvious error".

If perhaps you have an opportunity to avail yourself of any of the actual testimony today, you might inform yourself and your tag team pile on pals of that small "molehill"therein that disclosed the fact that the plastic container is in fact the latest in forensic technology manufactured and employed by and in the USA to replace the older obsolete paper

Molehill indeed

I can't tell, is he even serious? Reminds me of this guy:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15814

 

[AmyStrange]

1) May I respectfully observe that a major portion of the 65,000+ arguments here (and on your nywired or whatever) are based on "what someone said"

2) Some, such as mine above are additionally credible because it happens to be have been said under oath.

3) Certainly with your experience posting and replying on Forums, you can do the required research on your own concerning your 'questions'.

And with that I bid you adios

Damn Doug,

you scared the guy away with your logic and critical thinking skills,

Dave

 

[AmyStrange]

I can't tell, is he even serious? Reminds me of this guy:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15814

Who knows? maybe he's writing a book?

 

[HumanityBlues]

Damn Doug,

you scared the guy away with your logic and critical thinking skills,

Dave

What I find funny is Padron won't just say AK and RS will lose their appeal. Every hearing he comes here with a positive spin in his favor. Were we to see things his way, every week would be a huge victory for the prosecution or a wash. So why is he so reluctant to just say Amanda and Raf will lose their appeals. In fact, it's almost impossible to get a guilter on the record to say this (other than Harry rag who at least has the balls). Alt F4 repeated that they would lose their appeals about a dozen times, but the last time I tried to get her to declare it again after the independent expert's report, she did not reply. Would be nice to know if she was not so sure.

Come on Pilot. I mean, you seem to think things are going so amazing for the prosecution. Put your money where your mouth is and give us a prediction. The evidence is just so overwhelming right? It's not like the theatrics are going to fool enough of the jury, wouldn't you think?

xoxo

 

[AmyStrange]

What I find funny is Padron won't just say AK and RS will lose their appeal. Every hearing he comes here with a positive spin in his favor. Were we to see things his way, every week would be a huge victory for the prosecution or a wash. So why is he so reluctant to just say Amanda and Raf will lose their appeals. In fact, it's almost impossible to get a guilter on the record to say this (other than Harry rag who at least has the balls). Alt F4 repeated that they would lose their appeals about a dozen times, but the last time I tried to get her to declare it again after the independent expert's report, she did not reply. Would be nice to know if she was not so sure.

Come on Pilot. I mean, you seem to think things are going so amazing for the prosecution. Put your money where your mouth is and give us a prediction. The evidence is just so overwhelming right? It's not like the theatrics are going to fool enough of the jury, wouldn't you think?

xoxo

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Maybe the guy thinks his molehills will turn into mountains some day? I just wonder how many molehills it's going to take to get over Mount TOD?

Dave

 

[Dougm]

1) May I respectfully observe that a major portion of the 65,000+ arguments here (and on your nywired or whatever) are based on "what someone said"

2) Some, such as mine above are additionally credible because it happens to be have been said under oath.

3) Certainly with your experience posting and replying on Forums, you can do the required research on your own concerning your 'questions'.

And with that I bid you adios

All of our posts are based on what people said. But I don't take one person's testimony or writings and say definitively that it is the truth, without also reviewing what others say about the same issue and, if needed, finding additional info.

I am sure that Stefanoni feels that what she did was correct, and even if she doesn't, she needs to defend it to protect her reputation. However, I have not seen any story today saying that she said she used the plastic bags because they have replaced "the older, obsolete paper". As I mentioned in my other questions to you that you dodged, that logic does not even make sense, since if plastic bag use for DNA samples has now replaced the use of paper because paper was the "old" way, and plastic is now the latest thing in 2011, why was she using plastic in 2007?

I guess she was just ahead of her time ...

 

[Mary_H]

I can't tell, is he even serious? Reminds me of this guy:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15814

OMG, curi0us, that is a revelation. If he thinks Elton John should sue REO Speedwagon, think of how many generations of cliche-users should sue Lynn Anderson:

I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.
Along with the sunshine,
There's gotta be a little rain sometimes.
When you take, you gotta give, so live and let live,
Or let go.
I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.

I could promise you things like big diamond rings,
But you don't find roses growin' on stalks of clover.
So you better think it over.
Well, if sweet-talkin' you could make it come true,
I would give you the world right now on a silver platter,
But what would it matter?
So smile for a while and let's be jolly:
Love shouldn't be so melancholy.
Come along and share the good times while we can.

I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.
Along with the sunshine,
There's gotta be a little rain sometimes.

I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.

I could sing you a tune or promise you the moon,
But if that's what it takes to hold you,
I'd just as soon let you go, but there's one thing I want you to know.
You better look before you leap, still waters run deep,
And there won't always be someone there to pull you out,
And you know what I'm talkin' about.
So smile for a while and let's be jolly:
Love shouldn't be so melancholy.
Come along and share the good times while we can.

I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.
Along with the sunshine,
There's gotta be a little rain sometimes.

Not to mention every other songwriter, anywhere, ever.

 

[HumanityBlues]

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Maybe the guy thinks his molehills will turn into mountains some day? I just wonder how many molehills it's going to take to get over Mount TOD?

Dave

You'd think after the poor guy wasted all his time reading all 65,000 posts (which he obviously has ) he would at least have an opinion on what the outcome will be.

 

[Dougm]

Damn Doug,

you scared the guy away with your logic and critical thinking skills,

Dave

Sorry! I was going to ignore that stuff like most others do, but have you ever played T-ball? It's just too tempting ...

I like the emoticons on here ... fun!

 

[Kaosium]

It's really almost a six-way tie, but if I had to make a list:

1. PQ
2. FM
3. GM (could refer to either of two people, both of whom belong about here!)
4. MC
5. PG
6. PS

That's a very interesting list, especially for one as cogent and rational as you. I wonder if you suspect what I do, the sort of thing that doesn't come out in words very well and is so difficult to prove, but is a feeling that cannot quite be shaken...

My list would go more like:

1. GMig
2. FM
3. CM
4. MC
5. PS
6. PQ
7. GMas
8. PG

Mignini has to take 'high honors' as he's the one who was there when the ball started rolling, the one who supposedly had authority over the 'investigation' and was the one whose perverse theory--made entirely of whole cloth--was what transformed what should have been an inquiry into a girl's death into a tabloid 'shocker.'

For many of the same reasons I don't think Matteini should be forgotten either. The decision to allow that absurd theory backed by coincidental and mistaken 'evidence' and confessions that read more like a record of abuse was a major dereliction of duty in my mind. Refusing to recuse herself on the calunnia charge suggests to me an attempt to cover up that error, and might even lead to Amanda at least never actually being totally exonerated, and the truth of that abusive interrogation taking even longer to come out.

Massei kind of gets a break from me as he was just a middle man in the debacle, and his report reveals to the rational just how contrived the case against Amanda and Raffaele actually is. He is fairly meticulous with the facts, though making occasional errors like all humans, and separated a lot of wheat from the chaff, notably the Carabinieri call and the 'mixed blood' argument where he could have been more dishonest. Being as even with an acquittal in his court, Mignini would most definitely have appealed anyway as I see it, he couldn't really have ended the proceedings, and some of the decisions made in his court would have perhaps led to a reversal at the Supreme Court level regardless. Plus judges washing their hands of an issue has a long and storied history where he comes from.

 

[Dougm]

You'd think after the poor guy wasted all his time reading all 65,000 posts (which he obviously has ) he would at least have an opinion on what the outcome will be.

Rhetorical question: And the number of posts that have been made on a topic, by a person, or a screen name, mean what exactly?

I just notice if a person applies logic to counter the argument, the answer is either none, or how many posts are on this thread, or how many someone has posted here or elsewhere, or what they do for a living, if known. None of this has a wit to do with the point presented.

Oh well ...

 

[Poppy1016]

I have been searching but I am so far unable to find any articles stating plastic has replaced paper collection bags. I'll keep searching though.

 

[AmyStrange]

Sorry! I was going to ignore that stuff like most others do, but have you ever played T-ball? It's just too tempting ...

I like the emoticons on here ... fun!

-

I know. I know. I say I'm never coming back ever again

and then I think I'm just going to look in for a minute

and not say a thing

not a thing

nothing

just shut my freakin' yap

but (sigh) it never works out that way.

I HATE THIS PLACE!

AND EVERYONE IN IT!
.
.
.
(!b*st*rds!)

hehehe

 

[HumanityBlues]

Rhetorical question: And the number of posts that have been made on a topic, by a person, or a screen name, mean what exactly?

I just notice if a person applies logic to counter the argument, the answer is either none, or how many posts are on this thread, or how many someone has posted here or elsewhere, or what they do for a living, if known. None of this has a wit to do with the point presented.

Oh well ...

How many posts does PMF have? I mean, I think it's a little funnier there are that many over there given that the credo over there is that this is an open and shut case.

Can we get an exact number on the posts? Is it a million yet?

 

[Poppy1016]

The exact number of posts on PMF is 976,432

 

[Kaosium]

I just saw Babs Nadeau on MSNBC. She made a couple of comments of interest:

1) Amanda has a 50/50 chance of being acquitted on appeal (she seemed to be extrapolating this from her other comment that 50% of cases in Italy are overturned on appeal)
2) That sentences in lots of cases in Italy are changed. She then used the example of Rudy G's sentence being reduced to 16 years.

On #2 especially, isn't this a bogus comparison? It is my understanding that Rudy's sentence was automatically reduced due to his opting for the fast track process. That has nothing to do with Amanda and Raffaele's trial.

Something here tells me Komponisto wouldn't call her a 'Bayesian'...

 

[curi0us]

How many posts does PMF have? I mean, I think it's a little funnier there are that many over there given that the credo over there is that this is an open and shut case.

Can we get an exact number on the posts? Is it a million yet?

The exact number of posts on PMF is 976,432

Cool, thanks for doing that. Plus now that are two of them you could argue that posts after the split should be added for both sites.

That reminds me, does anybody know more about the split?

(Most know this but for those that don't) PG seems to have stolen the pmf.org from Michael. I don't know why and she refuses to talk about it and even threatened banning people for discussing it recently. I actually feel bad for Michael on some level because he really did put a lot into PMF, it seemed like his baby originally. All the old archives were his work, plus Nicki was one of their most important translators and not only sided with Michael she also had harsh (but vague) words directed towards PG about how PG had taken over PMF.

 

[Kaosium]

The exact number of posts on PMF is 976,432

Does that include the ones erased, including entire threads?

 

[Poppy1016]

Oops I better recalculate lol