Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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I supposed it must be blood from the crime scene as well. If it were some other substance containing metal ions, where did it come from? Perhaps it is something inherent in the composition of the booties, just as luminol reacts to fire retardant automobile fabrics.
Danceme.

I think that Kaosium made some good points. Whatever the substance is, if it can be transferred from one part of the apartment to another, then it could be responsible for luminol-positive areas elsewhere.
 
Let me make a small comparison about the "search for justice" by victims' families.

Jim Swire's daughter, Flora, was murdered aboard PanAm 103 in 1988. From the very beginning, Swire was passionately involved in seeking justice for his daughter and the other victims.......


On a related note, I understand that at least one victim's family in the West Memphis Three case was campaigning on behalf of the railroaded defendants.

Rolfe.
 
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Let me make a small comparison about the "search for justice" by victims' families.

Jim Swire's daughter, Flora, was murdered aboard PanAm 103 in 1988. From the very beginning, Swire was passionately involved in seeking justice for his daughter and the other victims. He campaigned vociferously but in a non-retribution manner to expedite the investigation and legal proceedings. When the two Libyans were identified by the authorities, Swire was uncertain of their involvement but supported the trial process as a means of (hopefully) getting closer to the truth of what happened and who was responsible.

When the Camp Zeist court heard the case, Swire was constantly present and heard all the evidence presented. He quickly became convinced that the Libyans had nothing to do with the bombing, and concluded - correctly - that the trial had been a railroading with political/economic undertones. While other of the victims' families cheered at Al-Megrahi's conviction, Swire became more and more concerned with the exoneration of Al-Megrahi and a renewed investigation into the real perpetrators.

To my mind, Jim Swire has conducted himself with dignity, intelligence, honour and integrity throughout. He has cast aside all thoughts of emotionally-charged retribution and revenge, in favour of objective, rational analysis. I find it somewhat moving that he is campaigning on behalf of the man convicted of killing his daughter, because he has the intelligence and compassion to understand that the conviction is manifestly unsafe and unjust.

That's the difference.......

Well, that's not exactly an equal comparison.

When the verdict was handed down in the trial of first instance the Kercher's said they were pleased with the verdict but that it was not a time for celebration. It doesn't appear as if the Kercher's were cheering the verdict in the photo attached with the article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3427123...amily-satisfied-knox-conviction/#.TmKhPJgtgy4
 
the train left the station

I understand that the Kercher family wants justice, but I think it is no longer entirely possible. I think it was a mistake not to test the putative semen stain. If it had been tested and found to be Rudi's, it is difficult to see how he would have received mitigation. Even without the stain's being tested, it is not easy to see why he received it. Justice for Meredith would have been for Rudi to have to serve his full sentence. Making Amanda and Raffaele serve time for something they did not do does not make up for this failure.
 
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Is that because you've as much knowledge of the subject, or that you think any opinion is as valid as another regardless of merit? Her talking about 'bloody footprints' and 'mixed blood' means something. It means Maresca is not being honest with them, and that they've not the wit to realize no one would care about that ridiculous DNA evidence either way if there were actually footprints mixed with blood or Amanda's blood mixed with Meredith's. That would be (if true) 'DNA evidence' as well, and far more damning than the knife that doesn't match the wounds and tested negative for blood, and the clasp which had the traces of three others as well.



How many cases can you name where there was a perpetrator convicted of the crime who was the only person for whom evidence was found at the scene when the forensics were processed, but that the family still blamed two college kids (meaning they weren't like mafia dons or criminal masterminds) for the crime? Isn't it the case in all these other instances that there's no basically nobody else to blame, unless it's someone who might have ordered it happen and it was believable that could occur?



Is defending oneself in a lawsuit the same thing as initiating one? Is one side not considered more aggressive? Is helping someone up the same as pushing them down? It is perfectly 'legal' to cheat on one's mate--does that make it right? It is (oftentimes) perfectly legal to lie behind someone's back and hurt their chances of promotion if it's the sort of thing that couldn't be proven, is that 'right?'

Defending someone from a bizarre charge is far different than condemning that person before due process is complete and sabotaging the efforts of people trying to help them and trying to put those people in jail too or at the very least intimidate them with scurrilous charges.



Should they lead a lynch mob to exact 'justice' anyway? Why not? What more could they do to hurt Raffaele and Amanda than tell public lies (and Maresca knows they're lies, he isn't stupid) to defame the defendants in the eyes of the unsequestered jury to manipulate it, try to put Amanda in jail anyway for 'slander,' her parents as well, for 'daring' to try to speak out, and five members of the Sollecito family for exposing the bogus evidence against Raffaele? It would be a helluva a lot less harmful if John Kercher just tried to strangle them with his bare hands in court if acquitted. :p

Is there anything the Kerchers could do that would earn condemnation from you? Now, if Amanda and Raffaele are acquitted, what would you think if they and their families went after everything the Kercher's owned and tried to put them away with libel charges and whatever they could for the rest of their lives, and done it entirely legally? Because that's exactly what the Kercher's tried to do to them, through the Jackal Maresca. If Amanda and Raffaele are acquitted, they are legally innocent, just as they are already to every cogent and rational observer of this case now. They are victims here, mainly of the police and prosecution, but also of the Kerchers through the actions of Maresca.

If they did that they would be entirely justified as there's no doubt whatsoever that Maresca tried every last thing he could think of to harm the interests of Amanda, Raffaele, and their families. On the other hand, the Kerchers, through the Jackal Maresca will have done great evil to innocent people and have earned nothing but condemnation. They didn't sit back in reserved dignity, that is perhaps the most idiot lie told in this case, it is something people would simply prefer they had done and want to believe, the actual evidence is entirely to the contrary.

There's a reason behind the presumption of innocence, and this case is an object lesson for all who would forget it. It also shows just how badly something that sounds good can become when (especially) sleazy lawyers get involved. No civil case should ever have been filed, and no lawyer should ever have taken it even if they wanted to. This should have been as obvious to them as it was to Paul Ciolino who figured it out after talking a little while to Giobbi and poking around the neighborhood.



I disagree, he sold his clients interests out, he has failed to properly advise them, and he has exposed them to action against them, and he might have invested them so much in a ridiculous action against two innocents they may be scarred for life. He should be jailed for his crimes, but instead he will probably dance between the raindrops, leaving devastation in his wake.

Of course his reputation is going to take a big hit. For that I'm grateful. :)

I can address a small part of this long part now (and maybe answer more later) and it is this part - "Is there anything the Kerchers could do that would earn condemnation from you?"

Probably not anything which would earn condemnation from me just as there is probably nothing the Knox/Mellas/Sollecito would do in defending their daughter/son that would earn condemnation from me (as long as what all do is done legally). I may speak out on what I think would be good as far as certain actions they could do which may seem favorable in my opinion.
 
Well, that's not exactly an equal comparison.

When the verdict was handed down in the trial of first instance the Kercher's said they were pleased with the verdict but that it was not a time for celebration. It doesn't appear as if the Kercher's were cheering the verdict in the photo attached with the article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3427123...amily-satisfied-knox-conviction/#.TmKhPJgtgy4


You're misunderstanding me. The Kerchers didn't have to be actually jumping, cheering and punching the air in order to have persuaded themselves that justice was correctly served in the guilty verdicts against Knox and Sollecito. Frankly, any victim or victim's family member who does an "end zone dance" upon the conviction of the perpetrator - even if the conviction is entirely correct and sound - is exhibiting grotesque poor judgement and lack of humanity and human decency.

Knowing what I know now about the Massei trial, I am quite certain that if I had been a relative or close friend of Meredith Kercher, I'd have felt very deep disquiet about the guilty verdicts. I don't think I would have been inclined to participate in a press conference where satisfaction with the verdict was pronounced. And that was back in 2009. We all - including the Kerchers - know far more now about the huge problems with the prosecution case against Knox/Sollecito than during or immediately after the Massei trial. I am absolutely certain that if I were in the position of John or Stephy Kercher, I would at the very least be maintaining total silence in advance of the Hellmann court verdict. I might even be inclined to express my reservations about their guilt.

I'd be interested in seeing a press conference following the conviction of Al-Megrahi at Camp Zeist, in which Jim Swire (by far the most prominent spokesperson among the victims' families) appeared in front of the media to express his satisfaction with the verdict. Of course no such statement by Jim Swire in a press conference ever took place. But then Jim Swire is an intelligent, compassionate, rational man who could see the truth in front of his face.
 
You're misunderstanding me. The Kerchers didn't have to be actually jumping, cheering and punching the air in order to have persuaded themselves that justice was correctly served in the guilty verdicts against Knox and Sollecito. Frankly, any victim or victim's family member who does an "end zone dance" upon the conviction of the perpetrator - even if the conviction is entirely correct and sound - is exhibiting grotesque poor judgement and lack of humanity and human decency.

Knowing what I know now about the Massei trial, I am quite certain that if I had been a relative or close friend of Meredith Kercher, I'd have felt very deep disquiet about the guilty verdicts. I don't think I would have been inclined to participate in a press conference where satisfaction with the verdict was pronounced. And that was back in 2009. We all - including the Kerchers - know far more now about the huge problems with the prosecution case against Knox/Sollecito than during or immediately after the Massei trial. I am absolutely certain that if I were in the position of John or Stephy Kercher, I would at the very least be maintaining total silence in advance of the Hellmann court verdict. I might even be inclined to express my reservations about their guilt.

I'd be interested in seeing a press conference following the conviction of Al-Megrahi at Camp Zeist, in which Jim Swire (by far the most prominent spokesperson among the victims' families) appeared in front of the media to express his satisfaction with the verdict. Of course no such statement by Jim Swire in a press conference ever took place. But then Jim Swire is an intelligent, compassionate, rational man who could see the truth in front of his face.

Maybe you would have had some disquiet about the verdicts and maybe you wouldn't have if you were a family member or close friend.

There were a lot of hearings, not in sequence, and a lot of evidence presented during the trial. There were photos, scientific reports, testimony, etc. which was given during the almost two years since Meredith's murder took place. How it was presented and explained during the trial will have affected the Kercher's tremendously I expect. But I don't remember them speaking out much during the first trial do you?

If the Kercher's maintained total silence in advance of the Hellmann court verdict they wouldn't be able to express any reservations about Amanda and Raffaele's guilt (if they indeed had any). And I guess since Amanda and Raffaele's family speak out it is only right that the Kercher's are afforded the right to speak out also. They are not dispassionate observers just as the parents of Amanda and Raffaele are not dispassionate observers.
 
I understand that the Kercher family wants justice, but I think it is no longer entirely possible. I think it was a mistake not to test the putative semen stain. If it had been tested and found to be Rudi's, it is difficult to see how he would have received mitigation. Even without the stain's being tested, it is not easy to see why he received it. Justice for Meredith would have been for Rudi to have to serve his full sentence. Making Amanda and Raffaele serve time for something they did not do does not make up for this failure.

I agree, and was going to post the same about the mixed traces, the pc activity, and the luminol.

Would it have been too bothersome for C&V to review the mixed evidence in addition to the main articles?

The pc work by the police was so poorly done, mistake after mistake, a review of this area seems a given....but it wasn't.

So theres only two options:

1 Hellman agrees with the Massei report

2 Hellman didn't feel these pieces mean anything, without the knife and bra clasp.(there is no case if the main fail)

It will be interesting once Stefanoni shuts up and leaves with her poorly documented lab work and skills of delaying trials.
 
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Yes, Maresca is a good attorney who represents the Kerchers. I assume you have read some of the transcripts of his questioning/comments. I think all the attorneys in this case are good and advocate strenuously for their clients. I would expect nothing less. Their emotional exuberance is part of that advocacy.

I can understand that perspective, but have you ever given it a thought he may not be serving them, and performing in his own self interest?
 
Maybe you would have had some disquiet about the verdicts and maybe you wouldn't have if you were a family member or close friend.

There were a lot of hearings, not in sequence, and a lot of evidence presented during the trial. There were photos, scientific reports, testimony, etc. which was given during the almost two years since Meredith's murder took place. How it was presented and explained during the trial will have affected the Kercher's tremendously I expect. But I don't remember them speaking out much during the first trial do you?

If the Kercher's maintained total silence in advance of the Hellmann court verdict they wouldn't be able to express any reservations about Amanda and Raffaele's guilt (if they indeed had any). And I guess since Amanda and Raffaele's family speak out it is only right that the Kercher's are afforded the right to speak out also. They are not dispassionate observers just as the parents of Amanda and Raffaele are not dispassionate observers.


I'm absolutely not disputing the total right of the Kerchers to make public statements or write newspaper articles about judicial activity related to the murder of their daughter/sister. And they also have a total right to hold any opinion about the guilt of Knox/Sollecito.

It's just a shame that they are wrong in their opinion of Knox's/Sollecito's legal guilt, and almost certainly wrong in their opinion of Knox's/Sollecito's involvement in the murder. And since their public pronouncements make it clear that they either don't understand the facts of the case properly, or that they are willfully overlooking the enormous flaws in the prosecution case in favour of a blind belief in Knox's/Sollecito's guilt, I think it's entirely acceptable to point this out.

As I said before, when Knox/Sollecito correctly get acquitted by Hellmann's court (which will happen, with almost complete certainty), I very much hope that the Kerchers will disregard the inevitable media clamour for a public statement. I hope that the family will retire to privacy for a decent period of time, in order to realise that they were wrong about their belief in Knox's/Sollecito's guilt, and that their daughter/sister was almost certainly raped and killed by just one person - Rudy Guede. I hope that they will then have pause to consider how their lawyer acted on their behalf throughout the trial process, and how the focus on Knox/Sollecito may have allowed the real killer - Guede - to receive a lower than appropriate sentence.

Of course, this is all just a hope. The Kerchers will still have a total right to say whatever they like when Knox/Sollecito are acquitted. They will have the total right to continue to believe that Knox/Sollecito participated in Meredith's murder, and they'll have the total right to voice this opinion loudly and frequently if they want to. They'll still be wrong though.
 
komponisto,

What part of the Kercher's involvement do you blame on a system that allows the victims' attorney to take part in the courtroom?

Not much. Becoming a civil party is entirely optional; it is equivalent to suing the defendants for wrongful death, the only difference being that the suit is integrated into the criminal prosecution itself. If they weren't sure that the right people were being prosecuted, they shouldn't have become a party to the case in this way.

The Kerchers think, from what they have seen, that Amanda and Raffaele had something to do with the murder They see the defenders of Amanda all over the media and may well think that Meredith deserves some, direct from the family, responses.

Then they should be arguing that Amanda and Raffaele are guilty, and countering the defense arguments! But that isn't what they are doing. What they are doing is using "shaming" tactics to try to silence the defense arguments. They are saying, in effect, "arguing that these defendants are innocent hurts our feelings!"

The only possible answer to that is "Well, that's too bad. A civilized society makes every effort only to punish people if they are actually guilty, not merely if doing so would bring satisfaction to crime victims. Hence if you believe the defendants are guilty and want others to agree, it is your responsibility -- or the prosecution's -- to present arguments to that effect that will convince others, in the face of the arguments for innocence. In no sense are you entitled to demand that the case for innocence not be argued."
 
I read the letter differently than you but that is probably no surprise.

There is no temptation on my part

Not to be rude (as direct contradiction is often seen), but yes there is. The temptation I was referring to was the temptation to read the Kerchers' statements as charitably as possible, bending over backwards to view them sympathetically, and to avoid criticizing them. If you read Stephanie's letter (not to mention John's newspaper essays) as saying anything other than "stop all this agitating for Knox and Sollecito's acquittal!", then you are clearly succumbing to this temptation.

Of course the Kerchers are not neutral observers (as are the majority who post and blog about this case), nor should they be, it is their daughter, sister who was murdered.

This does not follow. The fact that their relative was murdered does not imply that they should have a particular opinion about who committed the murder. They could still perfectly well have been neutral on the question of whether Knox and Sollecito are guilty; in fact, they could even have advocated for Knox and Sollecito's innocence. (Note that "neutral on the question of whether Knox and Sollecito are guilty" does not mean "unaffected by and uninterested in the question of who is guilty".)

That they believe the three who have been convicted in their first trials (though still presumed innocent until the end of appeals) are guilty is not unusual at all. I think there are many cases in which the family and loved ones of a victim believe the guilt of those involved even through the appeal process. And obviously, if you believe someone guilty you want the courts to agree with you.

I am not criticizing them simply for believing in guilt; they are certainly free to argue for that position (which will naturally subject them to encountering rebuttals by believers in innocence). Not only are they wrong about the case, they are attempting to shame those who disagree into silence and obscure the fact that there exists a genuine debate about whether Knox and Sollectio are culpable, by appealing to emotion. This is an extremely unhelpful thing to do.

What you see as manipulative I see as concern. If someone is set free on a technicality (this is not the right word for me to use but I can't think of another), despite other evidence which a family may feel still points to their guilt, it is understandable that the family may have feelings of concern.

If they are so concerned that guilty people may be set free that they feel the need to speak out, then they should be presenting arguments that the accused are actually guilty. What they shouldn't be doing is implying that we should be convinced that the accused are guilty simply because doubting this hurts their feelings. That is simply manipulative; there's no way around it.

Yes, Maresca is a good attorney who represents the Kerchers. I assume you have read some of the transcripts of his questioning/comments.

Plenty. I have little to no respect for Maresca; I view him as being willing to manipulate a court into reaching a false verdict so long as it places him on the winning side. To the extent this makes him a "good attorney", it only speaks ill of attorneys in general.

I have no doubt that he played a key role in turning the Kerchers into guilters, although they are still ultimately responsible for their own beliefs.
 
How can.... evidence be deemed countless?

In fairness to Stephanie Kercher, the letter that Maresca attributes to her doesn't appear to have been written by an adult English-speaking woman. Jester, over on the PMF/org site, captured a screen shot of the original letter. Here's the bulk of the letter..................

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"Over the last week we have waited anxiously and with great concern as the rumours surrounding the original DNA evidence findings are spreading. We find it extremely difficult to comprehend how the evidence that was so carefully developed and presented in the first hearing was valid, yet how it now seems to carry a slight chance it will become irrelevant. How can only a small amount of DNA evidence be deemed countless, when the independent review team have no answer for exactly how much should be counted? It should also remembered that both parties the Prosecution and the Defence also had their own forensic teams involved in the first hearing, in adition to the Rome experts.

The Defence teams seem to focus and rely heavily on these two pieces of DNA evidence, but can we just remember for a moment what this case is actually about, my sister, a daughter brutally and selfishly taken from us nearing 4 years ago and yet not a single day goes by that we can grasp any peace or closure. Anyone reading this or following this case, please remember our beautiful Meredith. Her blood with mixed traces spread through the bathroom, corridor and Filomena's bedroom as well as several blood footprints. Remember too all that other evidence that has been presented in this case so far, 10,000 pages of evidence.

We still have confidence in the Perugia police and every faith in all those involved in court and the investigation. We ask that the Court of Appeal assess every single piece of evidence, both scientific and circumstantial as well as any witnesses who have taken the stand independently of any other information or media. Amongst the media frenzy that has developed throughout, Meredith has been forgotten because she is no longer with us, yet this should be about her and what really happened on that tragic evening. We have not forgotten her and we will continue our fight for justice with the continued support of our lawyer Francesca Maresca and his team, the Police and Prosecution and all those involved in Italy as well as everyone all over the world who still thinks of us and Mez.

We would like the opportunity to work with the University of Perugia to offer a yearly place ..."

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Screen shot taken from TGcom video, HERE

Grammatically, and semantically, the letter appears to have been written by 12 year old native speaker of English,...........or an adult Italian not fully fluent in the English language. Note, for instance, the alien meaning that is here attached to the word "countless."
I wonder what letters written by Maresca---in English---look like.

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And, in your opinion, what will be the final outcome on Sept 28th?
I'm baffled by this schedule and have no clue about what will happen.

Also, what's with the prisoners' testimony filled by the prosecution just yesterday? Anyone know what's that all about?


I have opted not to speculate about what the court will do. I have seen many say that AK and RS will be exonerated, but many thought they would never have been convicted the first time, yet it happened. I honestly don't know what it means that the dates are so close together, and am too far removed from the actual court, not to mention the country of Italy, to hazard a quess.
 
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In fairness to Stephanie Kercher, the letter that Maresca attributes to her doesn't appear to have been written by an adult English-speaking woman. Jester, over on the PMF/org site, captured a screen shot of the original letter. Here's the bulk of the letter..................

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"Over the last week we have waited anxiously and with great concern as the rumours surrounding the original DNA evidence findings are spreading. We find it extremely difficult to comprehend how the evidence that was so carefully developed and presented in the first hearing was valid, yet how it now seems to carry a slight chance it will become irrelevant. How can only a small amount of DNA evidence be deemed countless, when the independent review team have no answer for exactly how much should be counted? It should also remembered that both parties the Prosecution and the Defence also had their own forensic teams involved in the first hearing, in adition to the Rome experts.

The Defence teams seem to focus and rely heavily on these two pieces of DNA evidence, but can we just remember for a moment what this case is actually about, my sister, a daughter brutally and selfishly taken from us nearing 4 years ago and yet not a single day goes by that we can grasp any peace or closure. Anyone reading this or following this case, please remember our beautiful Meredith. Her blood with mixed traces spread through the bathroom, corridor and Filomena's bedroom as well as several blood footprints. Remember too all that other evidence that has been presented in this case so far, 10,000 pages of evidence.

We still have confidence in the Perugia police and every faith in all those involved in court and the investigation. We ask that the Court of Appeal assess every single piece of evidence, both scientific and circumstantial as well as any witnesses who have taken the stand independently of any other information or media. Amongst the media frenzy that has developed throughout, Meredith has been forgotten because she is no longer with us, yet this should be about her and what really happened on that tragic evening. We have not forgotten her and we will continue our fight for justice with the continued support of our lawyer Francesca Maresca and his team, the Police and Prosecution and all those involved in Italy as well as everyone all over the world who still thinks of us and Mez.

We would like the opportunity to work with the University of Perugia to offer a yearly place ..."

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Screen shot taken from TGcom video, HERE

Grammatically, and semantically, the letter appears to have been written by 12 year old native speaker of English,...........or an adult Italian not fully fluent in the English language. Note, for instance, the alien meaning that is here attached to the word "countless."
I wonder what letters written by Maresca---in English---look like.

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When I saw this on IIP today my first thought was that this letter was not written by Stephanie. She has remained silent for almost 4 years ...why would she say anything now?

The letter reads as if it was written and planted by someone like the "Machine" aka Harry Rag. or perhaps Maresca. The bullet points are so similar to the only remaining refrain left in the prosecution case.

I have the greatest sympathy for the Kerchers but the fact is that their daughter was murdered almost 4 years ago by a man named Rudy Guede. She had the misfortune to interrupt him during a burglary and was then raped and killed. That case is over.

This case is about two wrongly accused college students who were falsely charged by a dishonest prosecutor and a few bad police using no creditable or real evidence. That its taken 4 years for the Italians to figure that out and since there never was any real evidence linking AK and RS to the crime is simply sad. That Mignini is a convicted criminal himself in no small way plays a part in this wrongful conviction.

That the Kerchers lost a daughter 4 years ago and that they miss her can never excuse the type of behavior that would falsely imprison someone with little to no real evidence. Maresca is a disaster and he personifies exactly what people dread when they describe a lawyer as a shark. He is everything that is wrong about any legal system...that is a dishonest player who benefits from others agony.

Two wrongs will never make this right. The time for real justice is long past. Rudy Guede got off with a minimal punishment for his crime. Two innocent persons have been robbed of some prime years of life, let alone the fate the future holds for them now...

I hope this letter was not written by the Kerchers. It is vengeful, hate filled, and untrue. Maresca has already taken them all past any point where dignity and intelligence are given a chance to see the truth. 10 thousand pages of truth would leave very few skeptics. Certainly does not seem to be the case here.
 
I can address a small part of this long part now (and maybe answer more later) and it is this part - "Is there anything the Kerchers could do that would earn condemnation from you?"

Probably not anything which would earn condemnation from me just as there is probably nothing the Knox/Mellas/Sollecito would do in defending their daughter/son that would earn condemnation from me (as long as what all do is done legally). I may speak out on what I think would be good as far as certain actions they could do which may seem favorable in my opinion.

That's why Maresca betrayed them. They might feel the same as you, be prone to irrational actions they might regret. They hired an Italian lawyer, one who knows how that system works and he ought to have told them at the outset: (like Amanda's lawyers told her parents as per the 'I was there' bugged conversation) 'The knife is bogus, probably just a psychological ploy to get a confession, as was the CCTV camera video, if they haven't got one by now they won't get one. I've seen the crime scene videos, they're an embarrassment to Italy. We might get a conviction in the trial of the first instance due to the current atmosphere, but it will probably never get through the appeal, and then the Supreme Court will weigh in, there's no real case here, I think Mignini is chasing conspiracies again like he did with Narducci, he's going to trial for that you know.'

Something just occurred to me, something you've been interested in as have I and others. When Rudy's sentence was reduced to 24 years to 'bring it in line' with Amanda's and Raffaele's, that would have been his mitigations, wouldn't it? That he didn't act alone, that perhaps he wasn't fully responsible and as a result his sentence could be decreased? Broken_English at the IIP site says the lawyer for the victim is supposed to contest all mitigations and promote aggravations. So did Maresca fail to contest those mitigations as it would complicate Mignini's case against Amanda and Raffaele? Did pursuing them with mindless vengeance preclude ensuring that Rudy Guede kept the full thirty year sentence before his fast track deduction was taken into account?

Christiana, there's going to be a verdict soon, at which point it's going to become very obvious to all that have not realized it yet that the Massei Report was nothing but a post-hoc rationalization for the last guilty verdict; meaning nothing in there outside the bare bones facts was even relevant to the appeal, all the conjecture and theories were weak attempts to try to explain the previous guilty verdict to the next court and anyone else who wanted to slog through 400 pages of translated Italian. The sad pathetic venture to pretend the luminol splotches were anything but some unknown substance that tested negative for blood and upon which there was no confirmation test recorded might not even make it into the report, and if so the condemnation of the attempt might be pronounced.

Then you might see what I was talking about, as there's also the three additional trials that Maresca involved the Kerchers in coming up in the months afterward, however this time with the full knowledge the whole time they were in pursuit of a viscous persecution against two innocent college kids who just happened to be chewtoys for corrupt cops and a delusional prosecutor. A 'guilty' verdict in the trial of the first instance in an Italian Court means very little, as they face an automatic appeal and are so often overturned anyway, and are entirely voided by the acquittal. Perhaps LJ is right and those will just fade away, but if they do not, what do you suppose will be the reaction? Most of the press outside the few who spent too much time staring into the abyss of kooky websites has already figured it out, and at that point the Kercher's aren't victims anymore, they're victimizers.

I lay that responsibility at the feet of their lawyer, Maresca. He's the one who advised them so poorly, who didn't contest the slight sentence afforded the real killer of their child in hopes of taking the lives of two people very much like her, and cause as much pain and hardship as he could in order to silence and punish them and their families. It was his duty to give them correct counsel, not to use them in pursuit of a crazed prosecutor's nutty theories and in defense of lying corrupt cops.

That's the real story here, how Amanda and Raffaele ever got arrested in the first place, and convicted in the trial of the first instance, and Maresca has managed to drag the Kerchers into both, and in the second part of this saga they will no longer have the veneer of victims, but that of abusers and the promoters of such. Unlike the Anglo-Saxon system, Amanda and Raffaele have never been considered anything but innocent by law, for them to have jumped to the conclusion they were definitely guilty and would be found so again has to be the result of extremely poor information that was an egregious dereliction of duty on the part of their Italian lawyer.

If just about everyone else who looked into it that didn't accept the two kooky websites as authorities has figured out that Amanda and Raffaele weren't involved, then they ought to have as well long before, because they had access to a better information source than basically anyone else, Francesco Maresca, who ought to have told them what any clown on the internet could figure out. Since it's obvious he didn't, then that reflects extremely poorly on him, and begs the question: why didn't he?
 
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In fairness to Stephanie Kercher, the letter that Maresca attributes to her doesn't appear to have been written by an adult English-speaking woman. Jester, over on the PMF/org site, captured a screen shot of the original letter. Here's the bulk of the letter..................

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"Over the last week we have waited anxiously and with great concern as the rumours surrounding the original DNA evidence findings are spreading. We find it extremely difficult to comprehend how the evidence that was so carefully developed and presented in the first hearing was valid, yet how it now seems to carry a slight chance it will become irrelevant. How can only a small amount of DNA evidence be deemed countless, when the independent review team have no answer for exactly how much should be counted? It should also remembered that both parties the Prosecution and the Defence also had their own forensic teams involved in the first hearing, in adition to the Rome experts.

The Defence teams seem to focus and rely heavily on these two pieces of DNA evidence, but can we just remember for a moment what this case is actually about, my sister, a daughter brutally and selfishly taken from us nearing 4 years ago and yet not a single day goes by that we can grasp any peace or closure. Anyone reading this or following this case, please remember our beautiful Meredith. Her blood with mixed traces spread through the bathroom, corridor and Filomena's bedroom as well as several blood footprints. Remember too all that other evidence that has been presented in this case so far, 10,000 pages of evidence.

We still have confidence in the Perugia police and every faith in all those involved in court and the investigation. We ask that the Court of Appeal assess every single piece of evidence, both scientific and circumstantial as well as any witnesses who have taken the stand independently of any other information or media. Amongst the media frenzy that has developed throughout, Meredith has been forgotten because she is no longer with us, yet this should be about her and what really happened on that tragic evening. We have not forgotten her and we will continue our fight for justice with the continued support of our lawyer Francesca Maresca and his team, the Police and Prosecution and all those involved in Italy as well as everyone all over the world who still thinks of us and Mez.

We would like the opportunity to work with the University of Perugia to offer a yearly place ..."

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Screen shot taken from TGcom video, HERE

Grammatically, and semantically, the letter appears to have been written by 12 year old native speaker of English,...........or an adult Italian not fully fluent in the English language. Note, for instance, the alien meaning that is here attached to the word "countless."
I wonder what letters written by Maresca---in English---look like.

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I disagree, it looks to me that could easily be written by an intelligent English-speaker. How many people unfamiliar with teeny-bopper textspeak would think Amanda was an honor student by that e-mail she sent? People express themselves very differently with words sometimes, some even ditched the rules of grammar entirely as they were an inhibiting pain in the ass to remember. It's more fun to just put the words where you think they might go, sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss...and toying with pendants can offer worthwhile entertainment! :p

Incidentally re-reading that I notice that she didn't say anything about mixed blood but had it as mixed traces. I must just have that on my mind lately, oops!
 
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Does anyone believe that Stephanie Kercher could have written this piece of gobbledygook English....

"How can only a small amount of DNA evidence be deemed countless, when the independent review team have no answer for exactly how much should be counted?"

It's got Maresca's GoogleTranslate fingerprints all over it.

I noticed in "her" letter that "she" expresses gratitude for the work of the cops, prosecutors, and court officials for putting the lovebirds where they belong. But one--- and only one--- illustrious person is singled out by name. Guess who?

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