Merged New video! Architects and Engineers - Solving the Mystery of Building 7

[Marokkaan]

You can repeat your failure to understand 911 all you want, it is what you do best. Please repeat yourself, it exposes your lack of knowedge on fire, fire fighting, structual engineering, and more.

I would say here is the massive damage done to building where fires were fought.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/onemeridiansag.jpg
So much damage the building was junk, never used again.

Now you want be to believe a building with bigger fires, more office contents to burn, 10,000 gallons of jet fuel used to set fires on Many floors, fire Insulation ripped off, water systems destroyed, can survive? Sure, you might be that gullible, but not me; I know steel fails in fire, you don't.

You can repeat yourself all you want, I have a masters degree in Engineering, and with that education I know all that is needed to comprehend the WTC collapse is a grade school education. And my grade school education gave me the skills to think for myself, and see the WTC collapsed due to fire. You have failed to do much but repeat lies from 911 truth, it will not help you figure out 911, you must think for yourself.

Why are you lying?

NIST therefore concluded that the fires in First Interstate Bank and One Meridian Plaza were at least as severe, and probably more severe, than the fires in WTC 7.” (Page 341)



So the example of yours fails, the building did not collapsed due fire.

 

[leftysergeant]

Flashes has been seen

Steel have been found that shows damages typical for explosive severing

Utter ********. What vile djinn whispered that sort of crap in your ear?

Sniffing dogs could not smell thermate or nano-thermite.

So? There is no evidence that it even existed, nor one piece ofsteel shown to have been cut by it.

Uhh, windsor building madrid 2005, was extremely damaged, floors collapsed, but the building still stood there.

Only the concrete parts of it above the mechanical floor. ALL steel parts above that floor failed entirely due to fire. The core of the Windsor tower in no way resembled the cores of the WTC towers.

FAIL

 

[beachnut]

Why are you lying?

NIST therefore concluded that the fires in First Interstate Bank and One Meridian Plaza were at least as severe, and probably more severe, than the fires in WTC 7.” (Page 341)

So the example of yours fails, the building did not collapsed due fire.

Where is One Meridian Plaza? Where is the Windsor Building in Spain? LOL, totaled by fire. You think not falling down is a sign? Only that the fires were fought, and the buildings were different. What is your point, you can't figure out when I talk about the towers vs. WTC 7. This is your perception problem, which makes you gullible on 911 issues.

Oh, WTC 7, burned all day, no fire fighting, zero. You are confused about the towers and 7, and call me a liar. You are the one who can't figure out 911, better do the best you can with the nonsense.
Did they fight 1st interstate Bank fires?
Were these fires bigger than the towers started with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel? Were windows knocked out before the fires started?
Did they fight One Meridian Plaza fires?
Were the fires bigger than the towers, and started with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, and broken windows to feed the fires?

Sorry you can't figure out the biggest fires were the towers, and then you have to discuss a unique building which burned all day with broken windows and damage which started the fires. You are the one spreading lies, the fake lies you blame me for are indicative of your failure to understand 911.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/onemeridiansag.jpg
Fire fought, WTC towers, and 7, fires not fought. Are you trying to say fire can't cause a building to collapse? Go ahead, lie. Have you seen floors sag 3 feet due to fire? Now you have. Are you a thermite supporter?

What is next, how does Flt 93, and Flt 77 fit in your fantasy of 911? Here you are stuck with the damage from 2 aircraft, what will you do with 77 and 93? Do you have a solid theory to combine the work of terrorists you deny?

 

[Marokkaan]

Where is One Meridian Plaza? Where is the Windsor Building in Spain? LOL, totaled by fire. You think not falling down is a sign? Only that the fires were fought, and the buildings were different. What is your point, you can't figure out when I talk about the towers vs. WTC 7. This is your perception problem, which makes you gullible on 911 issues.

Here:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
This example you used. it cames from your quote:

I would say here is the massive damage done to building where fires were fought.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
So much damage the building was junk, never used again.

Now you want be to believe a building with bigger fires, more office contents to burn, 10,000 gallons of jet fuel used to set fires on Many floors, fire Insulation ripped off, water systems destroyed, can survive? Sure, you might be that gullible, but not me; I know steel fails in fire, you don't.

POINT.

I was talking about wtc 7 and you?

 

[beachnut]

Here:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
This example you used. it cames from your quote:

I would say here is the massive damage done to building where fires were fought.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...eridiansag.jpg
So much damage the building was junk, never used again.

Now you want be to believe a building with bigger fires, more office contents to burn, 10,000 gallons of jet fuel used to set fires on Many floors, fire Insulation ripped off, water systems destroyed, can survive? Sure, you might be that gullible, but not me; I know steel fails in fire, you don't.

POINT.

I was talking about wtc 7 and you?

I was talking about the towers, and you called me a liar. What is new, you have no evidence, the only tool you have left is to call people liars while you spread false claims. I am sorry I got off thread with talk of towers. Now you have the towers, Flt 77, and Flt 93 to add to your failed fantasy when you get the chance. Do you have a single integrated story for all events on 911?

You are right, WTC 7 was just a fire like One Meridian Plaza, except window were removed by debris hitting WTC 7 from the towers (feeds air to fire at the beginning), no fire fighting, just like One Meridian Plaza. Oops, wait; firemen saved One Meridian Plaza; wait, One Meridian Plaza was torn down, it was not saved, even though the fire was fought. Darn, now what logic will you lay down to prove you are not an engineer.

Why did WTC 7 fail?
Fires not fought, not a good sign for survival. FACT
Unique design differs from One Meridian Plaza. FACT
Steel fails in fire. FACT

Not sure why you insist WTC 7 can't fail from the fires on 911. Are you a structural engineer? Fire fighter? I saw WTC fail, it was due to fire. But go ahead make up lies about a building on 911 which was not a target, had no water to fight the fire, and 343 firemen died and were not available to fight the fires. Terrorists killed 2819 people on 911, and the best you can do is parade your false claims at a skeptic forum, failing to present evidence, failing to learn what fire can do. You are winning.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Did the tower collapsed?

Were there differences in the building construction, protective measures taken, or the circumstances around their cases which made them more or less likely to collapse than the WTC? Do you consider these differences when evaluating precedents?

 

[Marokkaan]

I was talking about the towers, and you called me a liar. What is new, you have no evidence, the only tool you have left is to call people liars while you spread false claims.

You are right, WTC 7 was just a fire like One Meridian Plaza, except window were removed by debris hitting WTC 7 from the towers (feeds air to fire at the beginning), no fire fighting, just like One Meridian Plaza. Oops, wait; firemen saved One Meridian Plaza; wait, One Meridian Plaza was torn down, it was not saved, even though the fire was fought. Darn, now what logic will you lay down to prove you are not an engineer.

Why did WTC 7 fail?
Fires not fought, not a good sign for survival. FACT
Unique design differs from One Meridian Plaza. FACT
Steel fails in fire. FACT

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So, your example of the one meridian plaza to resemble is a FAIL?

Next time try better.

Btw, are you going to ignore the questions at the other thread?

 

[beachnut]

So, your example of the one meridian plaza to resemble is a FAIL?

Next time try better.

Btw, are you going to ignore the questions at the other thread?

You failed to support your position, and can't do fire science. Don't get upset, get an education in the areas you lack.

Gage has failed to make a difference, you are a Follower, you will not make a difference. You will be upset and may never post here again when you figure out the reality side of 911; or will you? I think the 911 truthers who figure out 911 truth is 911 lies, are smart, what are 911 truthers who keep repeating nonsense from 911 truth?

Good luck with your journey.

 

[Disbelief]

So, your example of the one meridian plaza to resemble is a FAIL?

Next time try better.

Btw, are you going to ignore the questions at the other thread?

Why, WTC 7 was still bigger. Do the math for square footage and base it off the NIST report and not the firemen's description (It would be WAY larger if you just went by what they said).

 

[Marokkaan]

You failed to support your position, and can't do fire science. Don't get upset, get an education in the areas you lack.

Gage has failed to make a difference, you are a Follower, you will not make a difference. You will be upset and may never post here again when you figure out the reality side of 911; or will you? I think the 911 truthers who figure out 911 truth is 911 lies, are smart, what are 911 truthers who keep repeating nonsense from 911 truth?

Good luck with your journey.

No you have failed by using the example of the One Meridian Plaza.

You also have failed by not answering the other questions in the other thread.

 

[beachnut]

No you have failed by using the example of the One Meridian Plaza.

You also have failed by not answering the other questions in the other thread.

I already know I am a failure, I failed at building my quad amped center channel, at 10 cubic feet, with 7 drivers, electronic crossover, I failed and you have no clue what happen on 911, and can't figure out fire destroyed the WTC complex. I mean look at all those grandkid finger prints, and do you have a 10 cubic foot center channel? I am one constant failure, from flying heavy jets to working cockpit concepts, failure is me. One Meridian Plaza is a great example what fire fighting can do to save a building, and you are great example of no evidence for your fantasy claims on 911. Are you a CD and a no-plane truther? Thermite? Which is your fantasy? How will you tie Flt 93 and 77 into your big picture? Do you have 5 foot wide center channel with 7 drivers, and a tweeter used in a 25k speake system? And remember, keep this clear, I am the failure, you know what happen on 911, and you will earn a Pulitzer, and I had the honor of posting with your whiled watching movies on a 101 screen, and doing my laundry, which I have to get off the "line", line being the Italian stands I picked up while stationed in Italy. When do you think the verdict on the Pulitzer Prize will come? Thank goodness for typing class

Gage has failed to make a difference, except for himself; +300k in one year, not too bad for him.

 

[twinstead]

The truth movement has failed by, after 10 years, not convincing ANYBODY who can actually do something about it that they are right. What he hell is up with that?

 

[Disbelief]

The truth movement has failed by, after 10 years, not convincing ANYBODY who can actually do something about it that they are right. What he hell is up with that?

THey ned to try something different and get sponsors. I would think Viagra, Cialis and Levitra, because they are impotent.

 

[The Platypus]

It's funny how 911 kooks think they are winning something because they annoy people on the internet.

Even if i was convinced, even if we all were, so what, what does that do other than adding a few more minions to the cult.

I have to hand it sometimes to these guys that run these "believe me" religious type scams, all they have to do is convince a few idiots that they have "the truth" and they need to "spread the word" to "save us"; and then just sit back and collect the cash, while the idiots do all the hard work running around bringing in more suckers to fleece and to turn into more recruitment drones. After that this thing runs itself and the money just keeps coming.

 

[KTB]

I just clicked at the link, it did not work. But now it works, so you have changed the link. Dont act you did nothing.

By the way your example is a fail.

Its not a high-rise building skyscraper(4-story buidling). The steel was not isolated. The building was very weak etc. etc.

So next time read good the sentence i wrote:

"you going to show me an example of the same steel structure who behaves like the wtc towers?"

The messages show if they have been edited, so now you are just being paranoid

Ok, so we can summarize:
- steel buildings CAN and HAVE failed due to fire.

You believe that WTC7 COULDN'T fail due to fire because:
- it was a skyscraper; skyscrapers are in your opinion then for some reason inherently immune to failing by fire damage. Can you elaborate on this?
- its steel structures were protected; the example I gave failed in 15 minutes. Fireproofing doesn't last forever, so if the fires continue long enough the situation is the same in regards to the damage to the steel, correct?

 

[Marokkaan]

I already know I am a failure, I failed at building my quad amped center channel, at 10 cubic feet, with 7 drivers, electronic crossover, I failed and you have no clue what happen on 911, and can't figure out fire destroyed the WTC complex. I mean look at all those grandkid finger prints, and do you have a 10 cubic foot center channel? I am one constant failure, from flying heavy jets to working cockpit concepts, failure is me. One Meridian Plaza is a great example what fire fighting can do to save a building, and you are great example of no evidence for your fantasy claims on 911. Are you a CD and a no-plane truther? Thermite? Which is your fantasy? How will you tie Flt 93 and 77 into your big picture? Do you have 5 foot wide center channel with 7 drivers, and a tweeter used in a 25k speake system? And remember, keep this clear, I am the failure, you know what happen on 911, and you will earn a Pulitzer, and I had the honor of posting with your whiled watching movies on a 101 screen, and doing my laundry, which I have to get off the "line", line being the Italian stands I picked up while stationed in Italy. When do you think the verdict on the Pulitzer Prize will come? Thank goodness for typing class
Gage has failed to make a difference, except for himself; +300k in one year, not too bad for him.

lol

 

[Marokkaan]

The messages show if they have been edited, so now you are just being paranoid

Ok, so we can summarize:
- steel buildings CAN and HAVE failed due to fire.

You believe that WTC7 COULDN'T fail due to fire because:
- it was a skyscraper; skyscrapers are in your opinion then for some reason inherently immune to failing by fire damage. Can you elaborate on this?
- its steel structures were protected; the example I gave failed in 15 minutes. Fireproofing doesn't last forever, so if the fires continue long enough the situation is the same in regards to the damage to the steel, correct?

So you dont have any example?

 

[uke2se]

So you dont have any example?

He gave you an example. Try to keep up.

 

[Animal]

lol

Maro's version of a hand wave

 

[KTB]

So you dont have any example?

Yes I had an example with the differences I highlighted.

Now we have established as a fact that a steel building can indeed collapse due to fire.

So could you now elaborate on the two points I raised so we can see what your objection is to it being possible that WTC was brought down by fire (you don't have to concede that that was actually what brought down WTC7). Please.