UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

[Toke]

Ufologists have different, evidence-free methods for arriving at their conclusions.

Just like homeopaths, astrologers and other pseudoscientists.

Yes, and hoping for some consistency in their appeal to autority is, well hopeless.

I've missed you, buddy. Hope all is well

I´m fine, just odd ships and connectivity.

 

[John Albert]

Will arachnids do?

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[Akhenaten]

That's exactly what I was looking for when I found the STS-126 video which I posted instead. (Ooh Shiny Syndrome)

Two minds with but a single thought, it seems.


Also, we're showin' our age.

 

[Stray Cat]

I´m fine, just odd ships and connectivity.

Well I hope you haven't had to deal with too many Unidentified Floating Objects buddy.

 

[ufology]

You seem to be confused about the difference between opinions and proven facts.

You're right, I thought this was the Believers vs. Skeptics thread when I was making the initial post ... I've moved the discussion over there now where we can have opinions and still be in context.

j.r.

 

[John Albert]

The thread you happen to be posting in at the time is irrelevant.

 

[Akhenaten]

Well I hope you haven't had to deal with too many Unidentified Floating Objects buddy.

Geeze, we're back to where we started.

 

[John Albert]

The thread you happen to be posting in at the time is irrelevant.

You haven't addressed the issues raised in my post:

What definition of "truth" are we using here?

You seem to be confused about the difference between opinions and proven facts.

Relying on personal authority over objective evidence is a defining factor of pseudoscience.

 

[Stray Cat]

You're right, I thought this was the Believers vs. Skeptics thread when I was making the initial post ... I've moved the discussion over there now where we can have opinions and still be in context.

j.r.

I don't suppose that has more to do with Astrophotographer's thorough debunking of your interpretation of the Twining Memo?

Maybe in the interest of honesty you should also copy his replies to you, to the other thread too.

 

[John Albert]

I suspect this new thread-jumping wrinkle is yet another dishonest tactic of his to avoid addressing the arguments he doesn't like.

 

[Stray Cat]

Geeze, we're back to where we started.

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[ufology]

The thread you happen to be posting in at the time is irrelevant.

I don't think opinions here are relevant as evidence. And since the thread is Research and Evidence, I think opinions are out of context here and better discussed elsewhere, so that's why I posted it over there on the Believers vs. the Skeptics. Over there, there aren't any ground rules on evidence or methodology. Pretty much anything goes if you think it's a reason.

j.r.

 

[Stray Cat]

Over there, there aren't any ground rules on evidence or methodology. Pretty much anything goes if you think it's a reason.

I think you'll find there are... this is a critical thinking forum after all.
To suggest that there is a thread where critical thinking is abandoned is a tad silly.

 

[John Albert]

I don't think opinions here are relevant as evidence. And since the thread is Research and Evidence, I think opinions are out of context here and better discussed elsewhere, so that's why I posted it over there on the Believers vs. the Skeptics. Over there, there aren't any ground rules on evidence or methodology. Pretty much anything goes if you think it's a reason.

You ignored my point, which is:

You haven't addressed the issues raised in my post:

What definition of "truth" are we using here?

You seem to be confused about the difference between opinions and proven facts.

Relying on personal authority over objective evidence is a defining factor of pseudoscience.

 

[23_Tauri]

This is a more proper thread to be discussing things like the Twining memo ( The USAF General and Cheif of Staff ), who held the opinion that some UFOs are real structured craft.

Here's another one. Air Marshal Sir George Jones KBE, CB, DFC (18 October 1896 – 24 August 1992) was a senior commander in the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). Jones was also interested in unidentified flying objects, having first encountered unexplained aerial phenomena at Warrnambool, Victoria, in 1930. He reported witnessing another UFO in October 1957.

So there are two senior Air Force commanders for the record here.

I think I saw what you did there. You got bored of trying to satisfactorily answer other posters' probing questions (or didn't want to admit that yes, you could have been mistaken about speed, distance, trajectory, size, altitude blah di blah), so you changed the subject. Quickly.

 

[23_Tauri]

This is just the "Knowers vs Believers" thread. So we're all entitled to our opinions here. That's why I took it out of the research and evidence thread. And in this case appealing to authority actually has weight.

Unlike when you're consulting several learned dictionaries.....

These are people who don't fabricate stories.

But did the good man Air Marshal Sir George Jones say UFO = "OMG aliens!" ? Your quote says that he was interested in unidentified flying objects. Do you see the difference?

 

[Akhenaten]

I don't think opinions here are relevant as evidence.

You're suddenly going to let that hold you back?

And since the thread is Research and Evidence, I think opinions are out of context here and better discussed elsewhere, so that's why I posted it over there on the Believers vs. the Skeptics. Over there, there aren't any ground rules on evidence or methodology. Pretty much anything goes if you think it's a reason.

j.r.

It seems that you might well be paying the price for having done nothing since you arrived here but spam multiple threads with the same silly story.

It really doesn't matter which thread you post it in - it's still dreck.

 

[Akhenaten]

I think I saw what you did there. You got bored of trying to satisfactorily answer other posters' probing questions (or didn't want to admit that yes, you could have been mistaken about speed, distance, trajectory, size, altitude blah di blah), so you changed the subject. Quickly.

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[23_Tauri]

That's funny. When I have to work up in the big city for the day, I look forward to coming home in the evening and checking JREF. And you guys don't disappoint this girl.

 

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