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Why not war against Islam?

you have an irrational and paranoid fear of Islam.
you are indeed an Islamaphobe.

If I feared Islam, I would not be attacking it online using my real name, dude.

Ad hominem. Look it up.

Are members of Anonomys "religious biggots" as the scientology people label them?

Are people who are against all the Mormon pseudo-science and pesueo-history "anti-mormon"?
 
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Bill, do you know what the word "impossible" means? It means "not possible."

Clearly, it is possible to be gay and Muslim. You were wrong.
Wait.

This not what I said.

I said it is not possible to be pro gay marrage and also pro-islam.

you change what I said.

Strawman attack.

I did not say you cannot be gay and muslim. But, ironically you support what I have been saying. You cannot be out and muslim unless you are lucky enough to live in a democratic country instead of a muslim one.
 
If I feared Islam, I would not be attacking it online using my real name, dude.

Ad hominem. Look it up.

Are members of Anonomys "religious biggots" as the scientology people label them?

Are people who are against all the Mormon pseudo-science and pesueo-history "anti-mormon"?

it was pointed out to you very very often now that your assumption is wrong.
what you belief is the only correct way for a Muslim is only shared by fringe groups like Al Queda. and that tells us alot about you.

speaking out against a religon is one thing but you are making stupid claims that are debunked with a little bit of reading.

you have a paranoid view on Islam and indeed you irrationally fear it.
 
Wait.

This not what I said.

I said it is not possible to be pro gay marrage and also pro-islam.

you change what I said.

Strawman attack.

I did not say you cannot be gay and muslim. But, ironically you support what I have been saying. You cannot be out and muslim unless you are lucky enough to live in a democratic country instead of a muslim one.

when Christians and Jews can be Gay and Christians/Jews, why do you belief this is not possible for Muslims?
 
I never said "you cannot be gay and muslim".
This is how stupid ideas get started. People quote things people say about other people as if it was true.
Now I see how people were insisting I was a biblical fundamentalist or something.
 
And we're supposed to believe that he's in favor of gay marriage?

The Lies for Jesus never end...
 
I never said "you cannot be gay and muslim".
This is how stupid ideas get started. People quote things people say about other people as if it was true.
Now I see how people were insisting I was a biblical fundamentalist or something.

ok one can be Pro gay marriage and be pro Islam.

when christians can be in a gay marriage and be bishop, why should moslems not be able to do the same?
 
And we're supposed to believe that he's in favor of gay marriage?

The Lies for Jesus never end...

I am. I am for gay marrage.

Here is another <ahem> "person" who thinks I am a religious fundamentalist or something.

I am not a religous person. Show me why you think I am.

I have answered this many times. reminds me of "why is the rum gone"

 
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I am.

Here is another <ahem> "person" who thinks I am a religious fundamentalist or something.

I am not a religous person. Show me why you think I am.

I have answered this many times. reminds me of "why is the rum gone"


i have a hard time to belief you are not a beliefer of some cult. because you do not even know what atheism is.
a stupidity only seen among followers of a cult.
 
why do you keep trying to derail this topic?

I don't know much about global warming too.
 
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I really wish that, when you ignore someone, quotes of his posts would also disappear...

He just won't stay consigned to oblivion.

(I handle this refusal of reality to yield to my wishes by imagining him dressed up as Dr. Frank-N-Furter (Rocky Horror Picture Show) surrounded by mirrors)

((Oh, the horror...))
 
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Wait.

This not what I said.

I said it is not possible to be pro gay marrage and also pro-islam.

you change what I said.

Strawman attack.

I half-wondered if you were going to try and grasp that particular straw.

But fine, Bill. Even if we use your words, exactly, you're still wrong. It is absolutely possible to be both pro-gay marriage and pro-Islam.
 
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BikerDruid uses expressions like "radical islam". I wonder where he got this term. The only place I have heard of it was on the news and I never heard of it prior to 9-11-2001.

You apparently haven't been paying attention. It's been in use in book titles as far back as 1989. A Google Books search returned results as far back as 1985, actually, but that's the earliest result where the use of the term is unambiguous.

Where was the term "radical islam" when the USS Cole was bombed? It did not exist then.

The Cole bombing was in 2000. 2000 is after 1989. The term existed, though the Cole attacks were so close to 9/11 that virtually all of the descriptions of the perpetrators were written after 9/11.

Where was the term "radical islam" when the Embassy in South Africa? It did not exist then.

Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya aren't in "South Africa", either geographically or nationally.

Here's a book published in 2000, two years after the embassy bombings but before 9/11, talking about "radical Islam" in Kenya (one of the countries that had a US embassy attacked). The term existed then.

Where was the term "radical islam" when Theo Van Gogh was stabbed and beheaded on a public street? It did not exist then.

Van Gogh was murdered in 2004. Not only is this after 1989, it's three years after the date you claim the term "radical Islam" was first coined. Of course the term existed then, by your own admission.

Where was the term "radical islam" when the new president of Iran passed a religious decree that Salmon Rushdie should be killed for exercising freedom of expression? It did not exist then.

Here's a book from 1998 mentioning "radical Islam" in relation to "the Rushdie Affair", before Khamenei's reaffirmation of Khomeini's fatwa. The term existed then.

Where was the term "radical islam" when Palestinians wiped out all of the Israeli Olympic athletes? It did not exist then.

Here's a transcript of Steven Emerson's 1994 testimony before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. It talks about the threat posed by "radical Islam", and mentions the 1972 Munich Massacre in its list of radical Islamic attacks. The term existed then.

It is not true. No one thought of Osama bin Laden was a radical. He was a champion of Islam, not a "radical". We needed to paint him as a kind of Adolf Hitler or something so we could sleep at night. The man was charitable, compassionalte and giving. Ah but we cannot think of him this way. We need to think of him as a "radical" and that he was not part of (a new term) "true Islam".

This is wrong on pretty much every count.
 
I half-wondered if you were going to try and grasp that particular straw.

But fine, Bill. Your claim - that it is not possible to be pro gay marrage and also pro-islam - is still wrong. As I demonstrated.

It it were possible to be pro-gay marrage and pro-islam, those activists in the UK would not be out trying to change Islamic policy and there would not be a news item for you to link to.
 
They probably can in your country. They probably might be able to in my country. But that is not the point:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...?q=islam intolerance of gays&link=ibaf&page=3

We have separation of church and state here. I imagine they do in your country too.

well not so good as the US but we have a bit of that too.

but yes this exactly is the point.

One can be pro gay marriage and be pro Islam.
i am not pro Islam, i am pro freedom of religion.
 
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