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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

grandmastershek said:
Don't you get it? Intermittent flashes are signs of thermite. These quick varying flashes were due to the thermite that burned for weeks. Because while thermite is an explosive as per the water boy, it also burns forever.
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By the beard of Flora MacDoanld! It's so obvious! Why didn't I see it before?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I don't see any significance in the "flashes" either. If those are supposed to be explosives going off, then there will a huge set of evidence accompanying those reports, i.e. barotrauma, shrapnel injury, blast trauma of varying degrees, symptoms that generally match with close proximity to explosive detonations and were not part of any injury documented during the entirety of the event.

This was an uncontrolled environment, with no precautions in place there is no way you could have had explosives going off in the middle of an urban setting without seeing some form of injury to match. There are documented incidents of bystanders being seriously injured or killed in controlled demolitions, albeit rare, when the safety precautions were inadequate.
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Couple of points...almost everyone that was up there is dead...so it's hard to report much of anything. Second...the flashes would have been the magnesium strip (or whatever lighting mechanism). In terms of Cole as I said no one I know of tried to run tests for how to sulfur got there besides him.

In his other video he shows how easily thermite can cut steel. Shows thermite can produce dust puffs. It's pretty intriguing to me.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Couple of points...almost everyone that was up there is dead...so it's hard to report much of anything. Second...the flashes would have been the magnesium strip (or whatever lighting mechanism). In terms of Cole as I said no one I know of tried to run tests for how to sulfur got there besides him.

In his other video he shows how easily thermite can cut steel. Shows thermite can produce dust puffs. It's pretty intriguing to me.
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That is irrelevant. Some people are intrigued by shiny objects.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
Couple of points...almost everyone that was up there is dead...so it's hard to report much of anything. Second...the flashes would have been the magnesium strip (or whatever lighting mechanism). In terms of Cole as I said no one I know of tried to run tests for how to sulfur got there besides him.

In his other video he shows how easily thermite can cut steel. Shows thermite can produce dust puffs. It's pretty intriguing to me.
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Fine.....thermite cuts steel.......now provide how these devices were able to be placed on these column without being noticed

 
Animal said:
Fine.....thermite cuts steel.......now provide how these devices were able to be placed on these column without being noticed

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To me this is not a very good argument. It could have been done at night, there are many options. If the security was involved (and I mean the upper echelon of the security) it could be done. Also it's not like when someone is doing maintenance everyone gives a close up inspection.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Couple of points...almost everyone that was up there is dead...so it's hard to report much of anything.
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Are you forgetting the survivors of stairwell B who were essentially inside the core and closer than any other survivors to the most likely positioning of such devices? Are you forgetting that without safety measures it places anyone immediately outside of the buildings at risk for the same injuries? Keep in mind, the accidents I referred to in controlled demolitions deal with people who were as far as a quarter mile away or more.


tmd2_1 said:
Second...the flashes would have been the magnesium strip (or whatever lighting mechanism). In terms of Cole as I said no one I know of tried to run tests for how to sulfur got there besides him.
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If the magnesium strips are visible then it follows any full scale thermite reaction will have been plainly visible to the outside lighting the towers like a Christmas tree. That's a light show that lasts between several seconds to several minutes.

Again with Mr Cole; since he starts his experiment flawed, his results are nothing short of dubious. It stands regardless of whether or not he were the only one whose ever tried any experiment. Just because he tried, doesn't make his results valid, and I see no need to "prove him wrong" as long as his experiments remain compromised by those flaws.

For your issue with Cole showing how it could have feasibly been done, I think my response to someone else makes the point:
Grizzly Bear said:
Doesn't matter. You have 20/20 hindsight since the event already happened. Thousands of videos documented the event, and numerous engineering analyses have already provided feasible answers that don't require, nor point to the use of explosives in bringing down the buildings. Engineering analyses do not care if they were the first collapses of their kind caused by fire or impact damage; their stated purpose is to analyze what effect the damage had on the buildings and whether the damage they caused was sufficient to bring them down. In all cases, the conclusion is the same; no controlled demolition, only plane impact and fire for WTC 1 & 2, and fire for WTC 7.

"How they get things in" is a hypothetical which only becomes relevant once you've established that they were there in the first place. Why? Because with a wild enough imagination you can think up a million methods. You're discussing a cause which doesn't match the observed "effects."
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tmd2_1 said:
To me this is not a very good argument. It could have been done at night, there are many options. If the security was involved (and I mean the upper echelon of the security) it could be done. Also it's not like when someone is doing maintenance everyone gives a close up inspection.
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So just how many people are involved in this huge conspiracy of yours? How were they all recruited? Were the individuals who refused to take part liquidated? We have the CIA,FBI,the NYFD and who knows how many other people involved. Simply flying planes into the buildings would have been a lot easier.
 
tmd2_1 said:
To me this is not a very good argument. It could have been done at night, there are many options. If the security was involved (and I mean the upper echelon of the security) it could be done. Also it's not like when someone is doing maintenance everyone gives a close up inspection.
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To me, this is not a very good rebuttal. We can add building management to things you don't understand.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Are you forgetting the survivors of stairwell B who were essentially inside the core and closer than any other survivors to the most likely positioning of such devices? Are you forgetting that without safety measures it places anyone immediately outside of the buildings at risk for the same injuries? Keep in mind, the accidents I referred to in controlled demolitions deal with people who were as far as a quarter mile away or more.



If the magnesium strips are visible then it follows any full scale thermite reaction will have been plainly visible to the outside lighting the towers like a Christmas tree. That's a light show that lasts between several seconds to several minutes.

Again with Mr Cole; since he starts his experiment flawed, his results are nothing short of dubious. It stands regardless of whether or not he were the only one whose ever tried any experiment. Just because he tried, doesn't make his results valid, and I see no need to "prove him wrong" as long as his experiments remain compromised by those flaws.

For your issue with Cole showing how it could have feasibly been done, I think my response to someone else makes the point:
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Stairwell B was the north tower was it not?

I think that's the point, I highly doubt they would have positioned things in a way it would have been visible from the outside. The plane could have caused an unexpected hole for some flashes to be visible along with the molted steel to pour through.

Also I'm sure they would have positioned things so they were least likely to be visible by those in the stairwell, an obvious place people would go.
 
AJM8125 said:
To me, this is not a very good rebuttal. We can add building management to things you don't understand.
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The list is getting longer. I don't believe a word of this quote from tmd


'I have worked as a research scientist in industry and academia for MANY years '


Yea,right.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Stairwell B was the north tower was it not?

I think that's the point, I highly doubt they would have positioned things in a way it would have been visible from the outside. The plane could have caused an unexpected hole for some flashes to be visible along with the molted steel to pour through.

Also I'm sure they would have positioned things so they were least likely to be visible by those in the stairwell, an obvious place people would go.
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You need proof to convince others to believe in your fantasy.
 
dafydd said:
The list is getting longer. I don't believe a word of this quote from tmd


'I have worked as a research scientist in industry and academia for MANY years '


Yea,right.
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Those were Dr. Greening's words not mine.
 
Dollars to donuts that not only can TMD's super vision identify molten materials, but he can identify the cause of a flash just by looking at it.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Stairwell B was the north tower was it not?
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yup

tmd2_1 said:
Also I'm sure they would have positioned things so they were least likely to be visible by those in the stairwell, an obvious place people would go.
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If you're discussing explosives, visibility isn't the issue. It's the shockwave and shrapnel that it sends flying. Get too close to an explosion and it will do anything from rupturing a person's ear drums, cause trauma to internal organs, to shrapnel that's capable of doing seriously bodily harm as well. Gypsum board will not protect against this sort of trauma
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
yup


If you're discussing explosives, visibility isn't the issue. It's the shockwave and shrapnel that it sends flying. Get too close to an explosion and it will rupture a person's ear drums, cause trauma to internal organs, shrapnel injuries are capable of doing seriously bodily harm as well. Gypsum board will not protect against this sort of trauma; it's nothing but drywall.
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No I was talking about the lighting mechanism. If there were explosions everybody and everything would have been blown to bits. Which is what we saw. I mean people' bone fragments yards away on tops of buildings how does that happen? I mean it's hard to imagine the collapse doing that.
 
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