Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

tmd2_1 said:
I have the right to go with either, or any of multiple theories, and to change my mind as I go... you don't big difference.
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Actually you must pick one or the other, because they are mutually exclusive.

So which will it be?
 
tmd2_1 said:
This is ridiculous, Robertson made the claim take it up with him.
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Robertson, we both agree, made no claims that thermite was reacting weeks after 9/11. You are. You used Robertson's statement as evidence for thermite.

And if you want to claim that, and also that the material flowing from the WTC was steel, you must abandon your "small amount of thermite" theory.

Do you know what "mutually exclusive" means?
 
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ApolloGnomon said:
See, we don't NEED to change our minds. Understanding that the well homogenized remains of a flaming skyscraper can create complex chemistry that might result in high temperatures is internally and externally consistent and doesn't require any outside agency or arm-flailing.

You assert the right to change your mind because your "theory" is inconsistent both with itself and with observable reality and you know it.
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No I don't if somebody points evidence out to me..I can evaluate it see if it makes sense and then perhaps I will have a different feeling. That includes supporting the official story. So far here nothing has come even close...it's all just a bunch of tricks and insults. Robertson said he saw molten steel...that's not important, what matters is when he saw it. What appears to be steel pouring out of the south tower see cole's video he shows it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything. He also shows how easy thermite can be used to cut steel. What you see falling looks exactly like what we see in the south Tower. None of this matters only how much or little thermite....a question I can't possibly answer.
 
WildCat said:
Robertson, we both agree, made no claims that thermite was reacting weeks after 9/11. You are. You used Robertson's statement as evidence for thermite.

And if you want to claim that, and also that the material flowing from the WTC was steel, you must abandon your "small amount of thermite" theory.

Do you know what "mutually exclusive" means?
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Really? Look at Cole's videos he has single digit pounds, and it creates a lot of melting..that strangely looks just like we see in the south tower.

Listen IF there was molten steel weeks later...thermite reacting is a possible reason...is all the claim I was making.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Robertson said he saw molten steel...that's not important, what matters is when he saw it.
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Which you have yet to demonstrate what makes Roberston capable of of looking at something molten & identifying its composition...other than you saying he can.

What appears to be steel pouring out of the south tower see cole's video he shows it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything.
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Unless he has a sample of it, he has nothing.

He also shows how easy thermite can be used to cut steel.
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Nowhere near on the order of what the columns of the WTC were. Funny all the methods truthers claim that steel can be cut with thermite, no such devices were seen by anyone at anytime.

What you see falling looks exactly like what we see in the south Tower. None of this matters only how much or little thermite....a question I can't possibly answer.
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And here is your inherent folly. You think you can just look at something, even a video taken from probably over a 100 yards away and that you can identify it even though people who spend years of studying the field say you can't. But hey of course you can....you watch a lot of youtube.
 
No I don't if somebody points evidence out to me..I can evaluate it see if it makes sense and then perhaps I will have a different feeling. That includes supporting the official story. So far here nothing has come even close...it's all just a bunch of tricks and insults. Robertson said he saw molten steel...that's not important, what matters is when he saw it. What appears to be steel pouring out of the south tower see cole's video he shows it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything. He also shows how easy thermite can be used to cut steel. What you see falling looks exactly like what we see in the south Tower. None of this matters only how much or little thermite....a question I can't possibly answer.
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Conversely, we can tell you exactly how much TNT-equivalent kinetic energy a 757 carries at 700 mph, and we can point to some other youtube clip showing the building swaying on impact of the airframe with the building core.

There are no alternative explanations to causing this level of motion in a skyscraper, unlike your subjective analysis of orange glop pouring out of a fire.

Here's a question for ya, and if you don't know the answer just say so, what time was it when the flaming velveeta poured out of the building?

It might be important. Maybe it even helps your case.
 
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grandmastershek said:
Which you have yet to demonstrate what makes Roberston capable of of looking at something molten & identifying its composition...other than you saying he can.



Unless he has a sample of it, he has nothing.



Nowhere near on the order of what the columns of the WTC were. Funny all the methods truthers claim that steel can be cut with thermite, no such devices were seen by anyone at anytime.



And here is your inherent folly. You think you can just look at something, even a video taken from probably over a 100 yards away and that you can identify it even though people who spend years of studying the field say you can't. But hey of course you can....you watch a lot of youtube.
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He uses exact WTC replicas.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You're clearly putting words in my mouth.
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No, I'm not. I'm starting from your premises and drawing reasonable conclusions, and finding that those conclusions are self-contradictory. What amazes us all is that you seem unable to do the same.

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I also know you premise that is could not have been steel pouring form the south tower is false. It very well could be. Watch Cole's videos he proves it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything by experiment.
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This is the most tortured logic I've seen from you yet.

Firstly, even if Cole had proven the material could not be aluminium, that would not prove it was steel. Secondly, Cole only proves that it couldn't be any of the mixtures he investigates at the temperatures he was capable of attaining, which is far from a proof that it couldn't be anything mixed with aluminium. And whatever he may or may not have proved, we know it wasn't steel because the colour temperature was too low for molten steel; the material glowed orange, and orange steel is solid.

Dave
 
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tmd2_1 said:
No I don't if somebody points evidence out to me..I can evaluate it see if it makes sense and then perhaps I will have a different feeling. That includes supporting the official story. So far here nothing has come even close...it's all just a bunch of tricks and insults. Robertson said he saw molten steel...that's not important, what matters is when he saw it. What appears to be steel pouring out of the south tower see cole's video he shows it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything. He also shows how easy thermite can be used to cut steel. What you see falling looks exactly like what we see in the south Tower. None of this matters only how much or little thermite....a question I can't possibly answer.
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The amount of thermite in your far fetched theory is important. There is a very good reason why you can't answer the question. There was no thermite,no matter what a few nutcases say on youtube.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Conversely, we can tell you exactly how much TNT-equivalent kinetic energy a 757 carries at 700 mph, and we can point to some other youtube clip showing the building swaying on impact of the airframe with the building core.

There are no alternative explanations to causing this level of motion in a skyscraper, unlike your subjective analysis of orange glop pouring out of a fire.

Here's a question for ya, and if you don't know the answer just say so, what time was it when the flaming velveeta poured out of the building?

It might be important. Maybe it even helps your case.
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Minutes before the south tower collapsed. Remember south tower was the second hit. Could it be that someone looked and said Oh crap some of the steel is melting the thermite is going off early, the fires are going out (see a fire chiefs radio transmissions I can't remember his name..I'll get it if interested) we have got to bring this down now. Coincidence?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Really? Look at Cole's videos he has single digit pounds, and it creates a lot of melting..that strangely looks just like we see in the south tower.

Listen IF there was molten steel weeks later...thermite reacting is a possible reason...is all the claim I was making.
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Why do you keep referring us to loonies? You know our opinion of these people. Why?
 
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tmd2_1 said:
Minutes before the south tower collapsed. Remember south tower was the second hit. Could it be that someone looked and said Oh crap some of the steel is melting the thermite is going off early, the fires are going out (see a fire chiefs radio transmissions I can't remember his name..I'll get it if interested) we have got to bring this down now. Coincidence?
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There is the root of all your problems. It couldn't be.
 
Dave Rogers said:
No, I'm not. I'm starting from your premises and drawing reasonable conclusions, and finding that those conclusions are self-contradictory. What amazes us all is that you seem unable to do the same.

Dave
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You clearly are...in the first I say possibly molten steel...then all of a sudden it became I said it was found weeks later...how does that happen?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Minutes before the south tower collapsed. Remember south tower was the second hit. Could it be that someone looked and said Oh crap some of the steel is melting the thermite is going off early, the fires are going out (see a fire chiefs radio transmissions I can't remember his name..I'll get it if interested) we have got to bring this down now. Coincidence?
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So you don't really know, then. Thanks.
 
tmd2_1 said:
No I don't if somebody points evidence out to me..I can evaluate it see if it makes sense and then perhaps I will have a different feeling. That includes supporting the official story. So far here nothing has come even close...it's all just a bunch of tricks and insults. Robertson said he saw molten steel...that's not important, what matters is when he saw it. What appears to be steel pouring out of the south tower see cole's video he shows it could not have been aluminum mixed with anything. He also shows how easy thermite can be used to cut steel. What you see falling looks exactly like what we see in the south Tower. None of this matters only how much or little thermite....a question I can't possibly answer.
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tmd2_1 said:
Really? Look at Cole's videos he has single digit pounds, and it creates a lot of melting..that strangely looks just like we see in the south tower.

Listen IF there was molten steel weeks later...thermite reacting is a possible reason...is all the claim I was making.
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You don't get it at all, do you? You are simultaneously arguing for massive amounts of thermite, and small amounts.

Have you ever heard the phrase "cogntive dissonance"? Because it describes you perfectly.

There are no such contradictions in The Official StoryTM, which is what makes it so much more likely than your impossible scenario requiring both massive amounts of thermite and small amounts at the same time.
 
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