Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Skwinty]

I would like more specifics on which words or actions your wife's friend examined. I am surprised that a professional forensic psychologist or psychiatrist would offer any opinion without directly examining the subject. I have to ask whether that is considered good professional ethics.

Firstly, her comments were made in an informal manner.

Two uninvolved individuals shooting the breeze at home.

Her words were basically "Judging from the media reports (visual and print media), there is a possibility the she is a borderline psychopath.

These comments were not offered to anyone but myself, so I fail to see what ethical code has been violated.

Now, in all the years that Amanda has been in custody, has no psychiatric evaluation been conducted?

 

[Skwinty]

I agree. Riccardo Stagliano seemed skeptical of Amanda in the article "Seattle in the World of Amanda," yet he reported:
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If she’ll be freed earlier, one who is ready to hire her right away is Rick Kirsten.

I thought anecdotal stories have no status as evidence.

 

[Matthew Best]

Good point. Let's all ignore your story about "a friend" deciding knox might be a psychopath and go back to discussing the evidence.

So, what time do you think Meredith Kercher died?

 

[Justinian2]

Bah. Someone could come up with superficial reasons to say a Baby Ruth bar is a dog turd. But it's not.

Criminal psychopaths have life-long habits that are not found in Amanda Knox's history.

Charlie,

It's good to see you back! (Maybe my out of state consulting caused me to miss earlier posts)

Surgeons and police have been tested and found to have psychopathic tendencies.

Amanda, if anything, had very social characteristics including her extreme trust of the police and media. Who, but a social person, would ever trust the police?

 

[Skwinty]

Good point. Let's all ignore your story about "a friend" deciding knox might be a psychopath and go back to discussing the evidence.

So, what time do you think Meredith Kercher died?

What is more important is:

Were Amanda and Raffaele in the house at that time?

 

[Matthew Best]

Well, was they? (sic)

 

[Rolfe]

What is more important is:

Were Amanda and Raffaele in the house at that time?

Cart before the horse, my dear.

First decide what time that was, then look and see if it was possible these two could have been in the house then. That's how it goes.

Rolfe.

 

[Skwinty]

Why don't you tell me?

I am no expert in the matter and have made no claim to be one.

 

[Skwinty]

Cart before the horse, my dear.

First decide what time that was, then look and see if it was possible these two could have been in the house then. That's how it goes.

Rolfe.

So Amanda lied when she admitted her presence in the house and that she covered her ears so she could not hear Meredith screaming while bleeding to death.

Just because the DNA evidence on the bra clip and knife has been said to be not reliable, does that mean all other evidence is suspect?

I don't know, do you?

I was brought up by parents who made me understand the consequences of my actions. Whenever I have done something wrong, the easiest way out mentally, was to tell the truth.

Nothing is easier.

 

[bucketoftea]

Handsome avatar, Skwinty.

Very good point about telling the truth, but I think Amanda has parents of the other sort.

 

[Matthew Best]

Why don't you tell me?

The answer is in the thread already (probably several times). Please feel free to read it and don't ask people to spoon-feed you.

 

[Diocletus]

Just because the DNA evidence on the bra clip and knife has been said to be not reliable, does that mean all other evidence is suspect?

What "evidence"? The 1:45 and 5:45 statements are inadmissible to prove the murder charges and therefore they are not "evidence" of anything.

The "gift" statement, IMO, is the product of police coersion, and is therefore not "evidence" against Knox. Even if one does consider it to be something to be used against Knox, it hardly amounts to an admission that she was at the scene and covered her ears, etc.

 

[Skwinty]

I see, this thread has the answer.

OK.

 

[Skwinty]

Handsome avatar, Skwinty.

Very good point about telling the truth, but I think Amanda has parents of the other sort.

Thanks, here is where I found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_the_Artist_as_a_Young_Ram

 

[Diocletus]

I was brought up by parents who made me understand the consequences of my actions. Whenever I have done something wrong, the easiest way out mentally, was to tell the truth.

Oh. That's great. Did your parents also tell you the part about crazy prosecutors, unethical forensics examiners, and incompenent cops making crap up and hiding evidence so they could wrongfully imprison you?

 

[Skwinty]

Oh. That's great. Did your parents also tell you the part about crazy prosecutors, unethical forensics examiners, and incompenent cops making crap up and hiding evidence so they could wrongfully imprison you?

They did not have to. The National Party regime made that a daily reality.

 

[bucketoftea]

...and we have yet to see if the court thinks the clasp and knife are unreliable.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

morality tales

I thought anecdotal stories have no status as evidence.

skwinty,

That was Lothian's point, not mine. I think if you take the sum of enough anecdotes from people who know Knox and Sollecito, you begin to get a decent picture of them. My opinions on this matter are colored (blue) by my observations of how a chronic overachiever (Evans), the Jolly Green Giant (Finnerty), and a role model for the young men in his town (Seligmann), were transmogrified into brutal rapists. That version fit nicely into a smug, satisfying narrative about race, class, and gender, but was bereft of facts*. A narrative about young people led astray by drugs and lack of direct parental control is likewise a nice little morality tale, but the truth is banal.

Amanda made false statements to the police, but based on her handwritten note and subsequent actions, I would say that she sounded confused at that moment, rather than consciously trying to lie. Why would she consciously and deliberately lie about Patrick, whom she had every reason to believe would have an alibi? I think she was pressured to say his name, but I acknowledge that other viewpoints are reasonable also. MOO.
*by which I mean that the people who knew them consistently had good things to say about them.

 

[Dan O.]

So Amanda lied when she admitted her presence in the house and that she covered her ears so she could not hear Meredith screaming while bleeding to death.

If you are making that claim then youu need to back it up. I think though you are just throwing in that comment because you think it is the trollish thing to do.

Just because the DNA evidence on the bra clip and knife has been said to be not reliable, does that mean all other evidence is suspect?

What other evidence are you talking about?

I don't know, do you?

Those of us that have taken the time to study this case have come to understand quite a bit that we didn't know or even had wrong at the beginning. Are you here because you truly want to understand more about this case or are you here simply to troll?

I was brought up by parents who made me understand the consequences of my actions. Whenever I have done something wrong, the easiest way out mentally, was to tell the truth.

Everything Amanda has said has been 100% compatible with her telling the truth. If however as many have done, you take as a prior assumption that Amanda is guilty then you can point out the incompatibility of that statement with yur assumption and incorrectly conclude hat is proof of lying.

 

[komponisto]

So Amanda lied when she admitted her presence in the house and that she covered her ears so she could not hear Meredith screaming while bleeding to death.

No; there are other categories of false statements besides lies. But that statement is indeed false.

Just because the DNA evidence on the bra clip and knife has been said to be not reliable, does that mean all other evidence is suspect?

The other evidence is suspect for other reasons. (Details only if you're really interested, and not trolling.)

I was brought up by parents who made me understand the consequences of my actions. Whenever I have done something wrong, the easiest way out mentally, was to tell the truth.

Good for you. Hopefully the next time you're interrogated all night in a foreign language by a tag team of police who wrongly suspect you participating in murder on a night when you were high on reefer, you'll have the fortitude to resist any pressure they may put on you to confirm any part of their speculations.