Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

tmd2_1 said:
*sigh* go there..it is all referenced with mainstream sources. You can find the one's you like the best.
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You either lie, or you didn't read the mainstream sources. I'm thinking both.

There is not a single link to a mainstream source that states they're still alive. None.
 
tmd2_1 said:
As I said...this guy was accused of committing the greatest crime in American history, we've been at war 10 years because of this, and they can't even get an indictment? Don't have any hard evidence?
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The government had just pulled off the greatest hoax in world history. We've been at war 10 years because of it, and they can't even fake an indictment? You claim they faked the HUGE amount of evidence that it was Al Queda but they can't fake evidence to indict Bin Laden? seriously?

As far as the hijackers being alive...go here. It's all referenced.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
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I'll see your whatreallyhappened.com, and raise you a "go here. It's all referenced":

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive

So where does that leave us now?

ETA: just in case you choose not to read the link I provided, here is the final paragraph:

And then ask yourself how such a flimsy theory could be accepted by such a large group of people. Google "confirmation bias" for one possible explanation, but in the meantime the reality is the "still alive" stories have very little support, certainly not enough to be reported as definitive fact. In our view a "mistaken identity" explanation makes far more sense for most of these cases, once you look at all evidence involved.
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tmd2_1 said:
...As far as the hijackers being alive...go here. It's all referenced....
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I'm very sorry but you simply cannot expect anyone here to take your claims seriously when you post such nonsense.

-hijackers still alive.

-dancing Israelis.

-OBL never indicted for 9-11.

-false-reporting of WTC7's collapse.

These are all issues that have been debated, refuted, and debunked
ad-nauseam by the entire scientific, news & skeptical community. This is truly a lost cause and I suggest you take up more fact-based endeavors.
 
tmd2_1,

Any chance you can answer the questions in post #92 please? Wouldn't want anyone to think you were avoiding them.

Thanks in advance. :)
 
tmd2_1 said:
In regards to Lloyde England, I would need more information to prosecute him. He could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and his life is threatened, or continues to be threatened. If this is not the case, by all means I would prosecute him. He said what he said I or CIT put no words in his mouth...there was no gun to his head.
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I find this to be one of the lamest arguments that truthers make. The "I'm keeping silent because they are going to kill me if I talk." No, it's just the opposite, it's what he does know that is dangerous to the perps. A cab driver keeping silent? Give me a break. Once he blabs his story, killing him does no good. His story would also garner fame and money. He could easily get immunity and he would be a very rich man.

And what is he now? Is he living the high life? A house on the hill? If he was part of some plan, he got nothing that I can see out of the deal.
 
twinstead said:
The government had just pulled off the greatest hoax in world history. We've been at war 10 years because of it, and they can't even fake an indictment? You claim they faked the HUGE amount of evidence that it was Al Queda but they can't fake evidence to indict Bin Laden? seriously?



I'll see your whatreallyhappened.com, and raise you a "go here. It's all referenced":

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive

So where does that leave us now?
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This a problem a lot of people have, they say the government did it with the implication that every single member of the government did it. If it were members of the government it was a very small criminal cabal with the resources to do it. That doesn't mean every member of the judicial department was in on it, every member of the FBI is in on it. It would be logical for the few to keep as much as they can from the many who are not in on it.

In regards to the hijackers, all this means, is that a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive (though I strongly believe the evidence points to them being alive)
 
Harpo said:
tmd2_1,

Any chance you can answer the questions in post #92 please? Wouldn't want anyone to think you were avoiding them.

Thanks in advance. :)
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A lot of people ask questions I can not get to all of them as quickly as some would like. I said all efforts should be made to find as impartial jury and as fair as trial as possible. I don't know where that would be, some where in Africa perhaps, or Asia. I don't know...but every effort should be made to find one. One thing is for certain is that the U.S is not the place for it.
 
tmd2_1 said:
...In regards to the hijackers, all this means, is that a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive (though I strongly believe the evidence points to them being alive)
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This is unfortunate as there is no evidence that the individuals that bought the tickets, used passports, and boarded the planes are still alive.

Persons having similar or even identical names as a few of the hijackers is meaningless. None of the person claiming to be the named hijackers look the same as the passport photos of the real hijackers.

This is my last post in this thread as there is truly nothing here.
 
tmd2_1 said:
This a problem a lot of people have, they say the government did it with the implication that every single member of the government did it. If it were members of the government it was a very small criminal cabal with the resources to do it. That doesn't mean every member of the judicial department was in on it, every member of the FBI is in on it. It would be logical for the few to keep as much as they can from the many who are not in on it.
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So all this planning, all this evidence faking, yet this cabal is foiled by the fact they can't get OBL on indicted for 9-11? Hmmm. Perhaps there's another explanation. Remember, just because you or a few members of a cult think it's suspicious that obl wasn't indicted doesn't mean it actually IS suspicious.

In regards to the hijackers, all this means, is that a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive (though I strongly believe the evidence points to them being alive)
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Then if "a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive" stop using the "hijackers are alive" mantra. At the very most there are a few doubts, even though those doubts are in the minds of a few conspiracy theorists. I strongly believe the evidence points to them NOT being alive, but that's neither here nor there. Do you have any comments on the 911myths article?

five-year-old story from our archive has been the subject of some recent editorial discussion here. The story, written in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was about confusion at the time surrounding the names and identities of some of the hijackers. This confusion was widely reported and was also acknowledged by the FBI.
The story has been cited ever since by some as evidence that the 9/11 attacks were part of a US government conspiracy.
We later reported on the list of hijackers, thereby superseding the earlier report. In the intervening years we have also reported in detail on the investigation into the attacks, the 9/11 commission and its report.
We’ve carried the full report, executive summary and main findings and, as part of the recent fifth anniversary coverage, a detailed guide to what’s known about what happened on the day. But conspiracy theories have persisted. The confusion over names and identities we reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names.
In an effort to make this clearer, we have made one small change to the original story. Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time.
We recently asked the FBI for a statement, and this is, as things stand, the closest thing we have to a definitive view: The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
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In regards to the hijackers, all this means, is that a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive (though I strongly believe the evidence points to them being alive)
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I have proof the hijackers are dead:

4 airplanes crashed on 9/11. I'm thinking we didn't have 8 rogue pilots, so they had to have been hijacked.


Say, off topic I know, but you had no problem going off topic in my thread earlier....

Didn't you say "they" had to get rid of WTC 1 and 2 to get to WTC 7?
 
NoahFence said:
I have proof the hijackers are dead:

4 airplanes crashed on 9/11. I'm thinking we didn't have 8 rogue pilots, so they had to have been hijacked.


Say, off topic I know, but you had no problem going off topic in my thread earlier....

Didn't you say "they" had to get rid of WTC 1 and 2 to get to WTC 7?
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I'm not sure I follow. Yes WTC 1 and WTC 2 if they fell, it could have been a clear shot at WTC 7. That's all I was saying. Simple as that.
 
Dayan81 said:
This is unfortunate as there is no evidence that the individuals that bought the tickets, used passports, and boarded the planes are still alive.

Persons having similar or even identical names as a few of the hijackers is meaningless. None of the person claiming to be the named hijackers look the same as the passport photos of the real hijackers.

This is my last post in this thread as there is truly nothing here.
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You mean one of those magic type passports, that survives fires that were so strong that they brought down two 110 story buildings? Those types of passports?

Listen take a city like New York...what are the chances that someone named Joe Smith (or any common name in the USA) are born on the same day, and the same year. Same thing applies here.
 
twinstead said:
So all this planning, all this evidence faking, yet this cabal is foiled by the fact they can't get OBL on indicted for 9-11? Hmmm. Perhaps there's another explanation. Remember, just because you or a few members of a cult think it's suspicious that obl wasn't indicted doesn't mean it actually IS suspicious.



Then if "a reasonable person who looks at the evidence would have doubts as to whether or not they are really alive" stop using the "hijackers are alive" mantra. At the very most there are a few doubts, even though those doubts are in the minds of a few conspiracy theorists. I strongly believe the evidence points to them NOT being alive, but that's neither here nor there. Do you have any comments on the 911myths article?
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No but they would have like greatly to not have any type of real proceeding, hence why no indictment.

So if I understand you correctly...you who staunchly support the official story, are now saying there are doubts as to whether or not the hijackers are still alive?
 
tmd2_1 said:
You mean one of those magic type passports, that survives fires that were so strong that they brought down two 110 story buildings? Those types of passports?
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No, the type that gets thrown clear of the plane crash, picked up off the street before the buildings collapse, and is never present at the fires. And can I suggest you learn how to research your facts a bit better?

tmd2_1 said:
Listen take a city like New York...what are the chances that someone named Joe Smith (or any common name in the USA) are born on the same day, and the same year. Same thing applies here.
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A link, please, to the story that states that someone still alive has the same name and date and place of birth as any of the hijackers. Because I've never seen any such thing stated, and frankly I think you're making it up.

(And then, if you happen to find it, please explain how the hijacker's date and place of birth was established.)

Mistaken identity is commonplace, and all these cases of mistaken identity were cleared up long ago.

Dave
 
tmd2_1 said:
You mean one of those magic type passports, that survives fires that were so strong that they brought down two 110 story buildings? Those types of passports? .
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Well, now he is bringing out the big guns, arguments from incredulity.

Super.

You know what else is magic? Suicide notes on air sickness bags that "magically" survived a plane crashing into the ground at nearly the speed of sound and resulting fires.

Magic!

Anyway, thanks for exposing yourself as a closed minded troll early in the thread.

/ps: learn what a hedge is yet, champ?
 
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