Eyewitness Testimony of Explosions at the Twin Towers: A Possible Explanation

ergo said:
Notice that, in 9/11 liar speak, anything twoofers post is called "quote mining".

Other quote mines, however, such as Crazy J's above, are not quote mines. They are called "compelling evidence". :rolleyes:
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You are the one spreading moronic lies, so calling rational people liars is another lie. Do you get extra credit from your 911 truth handlers for calling people who understand 911 liars while you spread lies?
Indicative of your grasp of physics, you have no clue what quote-mining is. You were shown what quote-mining is, and you still have no idea what it is, as you do it. Then you have no clue why it is not quote-mining when someone included the whole quote for meaning. Why don' you understand?
Then you post this...
ergo said:
This has probably appeared somewhere here recently, as it's been highlighted on the AETruth main site.

Here it is for those 9/11 fakers who haven't seen it yet. A 27-minute compilation of TV and video reports of explosions, explosions, explosions.

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A guide on how to quote-mine. You posted a guide on how to quote-mine.

You messed up, in your explosives quote-mining video, they actually presented rational explanations for why you hear explosions in fires. You must of missed it in your hast to make up idiotic inside job claims.
 
ergo said:
This has probably appeared somewhere here recently, as it's been highlighted on the AETruth main site.

Here it is for those 9/11 fakers who haven't seen it yet. A 27-minute compilation of TV and video reports of explosions, explosions, explosions.

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Fantastic video Ergo. And they say we have no justification is demanding a new 9/11 enquiry. lol
 
bill smith said:
Even though the majority of these witnesses are senior firefighting officers with years of experience. ? There are plenty more by the way.

I stick by what I said.

Only a fool or a Shill could say that those statements do not prove that 9/11 was an inside job.
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And not one of them actually believes the government blew up those buildings. Man you and Dylan Avery need to go back to like 4th grade english class. It's called simile and metaphor. Comparisons ya know? Telling what it was LIKE, not what it WAS.
 
bill smith said:
Fantastic video Ergo. And they say we have no justification is demanding a new 9/11 enquiry. lol
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The only "explosions" for which this provides evidence is cars cooking off. We have numenrous accounts of that, including Karen Deshore's oral history, which punk boy MacQueen somehow thinks is evidence of bombs.

The fire fighters covered in dust and blood were caught in the collapse of one of the towers and could not have seen the video of what happened before they were interviewed. Find them and ask them now if they still think the same thing.
 
bill smith said:
Fantastic video Ergo. And they say we have no justification is demanding a new 9/11 enquiry. lol
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And EXPLOSIONS does NOT mean BOMBS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhExznMuME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCpBQvwbIlE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeH1WDBRLjg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XPxEoDfvs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiNduxfjXw4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEnNxwTePLQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3OZMW_45M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy6UXxhzYlk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGMUR_bwaQ
^^power transformers exploding, I wonder how many electronics were in all those buildings....man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjrR_SX4aBg
^^ compressed AIR explosion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycetdsq20EM&feature=related
^^ capacitors exploding

Fires cause explosions. Explosions, again, does NOT mean there had to be bombs.
 
bill smith said:
Fantastic video Ergo. And they say we have no justification is demanding a new 9/11 enquiry. lol
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Yes, I thought so too.

Especially the testimony from both firefighters and police that there were concerns about bombs, including two or three reports describing a below-ground explosion. 9/11 fakers always try to claim that there were no concerns among first responders about bombs. That's simply false, as several of the oral histories also confirm.

One wonders how 9/11 fakers have the audacity to outright lie about testimony from the people who were actually there. I can't think of a more offensive disregard for those who lived through those events.
 
ergo said:
Yes, I thought so too.

Especially the testimony from both firefighters and police that there were concerns about bombs, including two or three reports describing a below-ground explosion. 9/11 fakers always try to claim that there were no concerns among first responders about bombs. That's simply false, as several of the oral histories also confirm.

One wonders how 9/11 fakers have the audacity to outright lie about testimony from the people who were actually there. I can't think of a more offensive disregard for those who lived through those events.
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Ergo,

If there was such a concern among FDNY, why did not one firefighter get on a radio and order any kind of exculsion zone? Not one.

Not. One.

Listen to the radio recordings.

Not one.
 
ergo said:
One wonders how 9/11 fakers have the audacity to outright lie about testimony from the people who were actually there. I can't think of a more offensive disregard for those who lived through those events.
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So why do you lie, Ergo? Why do you have such offensive disregard for those who lived through these events.

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.
–FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers

It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block.
– Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy, FDNY

We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its collapse was imminent. There were no fires inside the loading dock (of 7) at this time but we could hear explosions deep inside.
–Port Authority Police Department Officer William Connors

"There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse."
–Firefighter Gerard Suden

The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor."
– Fire Captain Brenda Berkman

"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site. –Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6, FDNY

7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable.
–Firefighter Steve Modica

So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the ramp, was now fully engulfed.
–PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors.
–FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down.
–FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn​

Why do you accuse these men of lying Ergo? They were there, you were not.
 
Did I just wake up in 2006 again? Holy crap...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Lpbdt-Dfk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw7YWZI20eM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZYGd0TwtTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJq8GkxjRtM


http://endtimessigns.wordpress.com/...power-of-indonesias-latest-volcanic-eruption/
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/02/it_sounded_like.html
http://www.ocregister.com/video/c/1125901233/latest/934384799001/news-anaheim-latest
http://www.lagrangenews.com/view/fu...‘sounded-like-a-bomb’?instance=home_news_lead
http://news.iafrica.com/sa/736078.html
http://www.kval.com/news/local/101771898.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tears-New-York-replay-September-11-panic.html
http://gothamist.com/2010/06/07/wind_shatters_window_sounded_like_e.php
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/27416776/detail.html


I can keep going...seriously....
 
bill smith said:
I can only analyse the events from a distance Twinstead so readers may not give some of what I say much credence. But they certainly should listen to what some of the 118 firefighters who experienced explosive events on 9/11 said in their sworn testimony.(Which was entirely excluded from the 9/11 comission hearings I might add.)


Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick. [Source: City of New York]Numerous witnesses to the collapse of the south WTC tower think it resembles a demolition using explosives. Some initially believe this is what is occurring:

Reporter John Bussey watches the collapse from the Wall Street Journal's offices across the street from the WTC. He say s,''I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces'' [Wall Street Journal, 9/12/2001]

Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick:''I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV'' [City of New York, 10/1/2001]

Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory: '' saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista… he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him… I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw'' [City of New York, 10/3/2001]

Firefighter Richard Banaciski:''It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions'' [City of New York, 12/6/2001]

Firefighter Joseph Meola:''As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out'' [City of New York, 12/11/2001]

Fire Chief Frank Cruthers:''[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse'' [City of New York, 10/31/2001]

Battalion Chief Brian Dixon:''I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out'' [City of New York, 10/25/2001]

Firefighter Timothy Burke:''Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion'' [City of New York, 1/22/2002]

Firefighter Edward Cachia:''It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down'' [City of New York, 12/6/2001]

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers:''[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing'' [City of New York, 12/10/2001]

Reporter Beth Fertig:''The tower went down perfectly straight, as if a demolition crew had imploded it. I wondered if it was being brought down deliberately'' [Gilbert et al., 2002, pp. 78]

Only a fool or a Shill could say that these statements do not prove that 9/11 was an inside job.
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It looked like, it sounded like, it seemed/appeared like, I thought...

SIMILIES bill, and assumptions.
The BBC had to school Dylan Avery on similies, do we really have to teach you too?
 
ergo said:
One wonders how 9/11 fakers have the audacity to outright lie about testimony from the people who were actually there. I can't think of a more offensive disregard for those who lived through those events.
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Again, the problem is not with what we say abvout the oral histories, since many of those of us laughing at you are veteran fire fighters, but instead, with the wierd way in which you have misread what the fire fighters on the scene said or the circumstances under which they observed certain phenomena.

You're basicly acting like a Neanderthaler explaining laurel leaf blades to a Roman.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Why do you accuse these men of lying Ergo? They were there, you were not.
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Where have I accused them of lying? And why are you talking about Building 7 fires here? We are talking about explosions.

Why are half of these quotes not verifiable because they're defunct web pages? Why are you simply copying and pasting from the wtc7lies quote mining site? Do you have any clue what point you're trying to make?
 
leftysergeant said:
Again, the problem is not with what we say abvout the oral histories, since many of those of us laughing at you are veteran fire fighters, but instead, with the wierd way in which you have misread what the fire fighters on the scene said or the circumstances under which they observed certain phenomena.
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No, I think most can see the problem here is that you only acknowledge testimony that supports, however sketchily, your own arguments and you ignore or try to obscure the abundance of other testimony that contradicts that.

This is actually the whole problem with 9/11 "debunking" in general. Most of it is lying.
 
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