This loose definition of the term that femr2 is pushing makes the acronym completely meaningless, as it describes virtually any possible or impossible scenario in which a culprit or culprits initiated the events with a purpose, including the scenario printed in the 911 commission report.
The point of this thread is to "attack femr2" and attempt to imply that when I've used the acronym M.I.H.O.P. that I am saying "The US Government did it".
That is incorrect. My usage of the acronym does not, and has never, had any specific "who" applied.
The loose definition comes in part from the resources supplied by W.D.Clinger, which includes this...
There is nothing wrong with disagreement, but distorted straw-man arguments with misleading and inaccurate language and labels are not real disagreement. The misleading and false MIHOP/LIHOP dichotomy is effectively used in straw-man debates in which 9/11 activists are attacked with ridiculously misleading and inaccurate labels. Instead, accurate language should be used to critique and advance understanding of the 9/11 attacks. If misinformation is defined as “misleading information", then the MIHOP and LIHOP labels closely follow this definition, but if they are used with deliberate intent to confuse and mislead, they clearly function as disinformation. This is because they can mean almost anything depending on what the user wants them to mean when left unqualified, and they can just as easily be misunderstood by the intended audience when this happens. Without clarification, the terms are like empty, unfilled glasses; containers without meaningful content. When these labels are followed by specific explanations and analysis they are somewhat more useful, but without clarification they are dangerously open-ended:
- Who made it happen?
- What happened?
- How did it happen?
- Why did it happen?
- Why is the official story wrong?
- Which parts of the official story are wrong?
- What parts are true?
- And most importantly, how can you prove it?
These are all questions that MIHOP and LIHOP do not answer when they are not followed with explanation or precise definition; on their own these terms are virtually meaningless. They avoid the complex nature of reality by avoiding subtlety and nuance.
Written by someone other than me.
There's a reason we are pushing femr2 for this. His behavior is dishonest
Incorrect.
and he has been misusing this acronym for a long time
Incorrect.
It's not a personal attack to call a liar on a lie, even if it's a lie by omission.
It's clearly a personal attack, especially when you are utterly wrong, and accusation of "liar" is clearly uncivil.
Always reminds me of a quote from TLOTR...
'You lie,' said Wormtongue.
'That word comes too oft and easy from your lips,' said Gandalf. 'I do not lie. See, Théoden, here is a snake! With safety you cannot take it with you, nor can you leave it behind. To slay it would be just. But it was not always as it now is. Once it was a man, and did you service in its fashion. Give him a horse and let him go at once, wherever he chooses. By his choice you shall judge him.'
W.D.Clinger also posted resource which included the following types of MIHOP...
- Cheney-Bush MIHOP
- Peak Oil MIHOP
- Mossad MIHOP
- Zionist MIHOP
- Jewish MIHOP
- New World Order MIHOP
- Rogue Network MIHOP
"femr2's loose definition" ? Nope.
There is nothing about the acronym M.I.H.O.P. which denotes "who".
As W.D.Clinger put it...
Regardless of who (x), it
, or how (z): If there's a perpetrator x who did the deed y by purposefully employing method z, then x's perpetration of y via z counts as MIHOP.
I'd query the "regardless" there, as I think each parameter has extents when applied to the events of 9/11, but the notion that there is one single meaning is clearly false.
The acronym now exists.
I am sure it will be applied to events other than 9/11 in the future, as shorthand for "made it happen on purpose".
Indeed it already has. Try investigoogling using the keywords "BP MIHOP"
) I published my own explanation of the Twin Towers collapses in 2007-8. I have learned a bit more about the details since then - some of that learning flowing from the detailed investigations of femr2 and Major_Tom. The detailed research that they do is commendable - irrespective of where some people think it might lead.
