Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Katody Matrass]

BTW,
I noticed Bruce has added a photo section at IIP, a few of these I had not seen before.

Simply excellent!

Some of the new photos clarify very much to me, especially about the break-in.

 

[Mary_H]

Just cannot help but ask:

When you are reduced to arguing as above with an absent poster from another (apparently admittedly *superior*) Board....

1) Does it help give strength to your argument if you do so in front of a mirror ???
Or per haps with a picture of the absent poster taped to your mirror ??

2) Do you always *win* when you have to argue (with yourself) in this very strange manner?<snip>

This is a good reminder that all of us, on both sides of the argument, argue every day with "absent" posters -- either the prosecution or the defense. The arguments are won or lost on the basis of facts and logic, not necessarily on the participation of our opponents. Although that does add to the fun.

 

[Katody Matrass]

I created a new page for downloadable files that I will be updating again tonight with more of the forensic test results including the e-grams.

Any claims that we have ever tried to hide anything are completely false. We know the evidence clearly shows that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent.

Looks like some of it is already up
Thank you for your work!

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Looks like some of it is already up
Thank you for your work!

Charlie Wilkes put a great deal of time and effort into organizing the case files.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

DNA mismatch involving Carabinieri

A Liverpool man was suspected of a crime in Italy in 2002 based on a faulty DNA test. Details are scarce, but it is possible that this was a case of coincidental matching.

 

[pilot padron]

Confused

I created a new page for downloadable files that I will be updating again tonight with more of the forensic test results including the e-grams.

Any claims that we have ever tried to hide anything are completely false. We know the evidence clearly shows that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent.

IIP has a philosophy to hide nothing (except sensitive information regarding Meredith). We know the truth is on our side.

Am I to gather that *all* these files and photos on IIP are now *all* available to *all*; including unregistered guests that might visit IIP ??
Really ??

This then is a recent change since *much* of the information you cite as now 'unhidden' was/is restricted to registered users.
No ???

Hope I am not "confusing" anyone.
But having just tried, an unregistered user cannot even now use the IIP Index, much less see the mentioned 'informative' photos and/or files.

Therefore forgive me for concluding that the above quotes from Bruce Fisher arguing about about "hiding nothing and truth setting free" are just per*haps a bit "inaccurate" and 'confused' ??

Maybe if you just post a link to the photo/file information that you state is available to all, as you so often post everywhere 'links' to the Forum, that would help

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the pot calling the kettle black

Am I to gather that *all* these files and photos on IIP are now *all* available to *all*; including unregistered guests that might visit IIP ??

pilot padron,

At PMF at least one commenter complained about having to register at IIP to observe or obtain photographic information, IIRC. How is that different from PMF itself?
EDT
See posts below. Apparently it is easier to view at IIP than at PMF.

 

[RoseMontague]

Am I to gather that *all* these files and photos on IIP are now *all* available to *all*; including unregistered guests that might visit IIP ??
Really ??

This then is a recent change since *much* of the information you cite as now 'unhidden' was/is restricted to registered users.
No ???

Hope I am not "confusing" anyone.
But having just tried, an unregistered user cannot even now use the IIP Index, much less see the mentioned 'informative' photos and/or files.

Therefore forgive me for concluding that the above quotes from Bruce Fisher arguing about about "hiding nothing and truth setting free" are just per*haps a bit "inaccurate" and 'confused' ??

Maybe if you just post a link to the photo/file information that you state is available to all, as you so often post everywhere 'links' to the Forum, that would help

No registration is required

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/index.html

look under recent news and updates

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Am I to gather that *all* these files and photos on IIP are now *all* available to *all*; including unregistered guests that might visit IIP ??
Really ??

This then is a recent change since *much* of the information you cite as now 'unhidden' was/is restricted to registered users.
No ???

Hope I am not "confusing" anyone.
But having just tried, an unregistered user cannot even now use the IIP Index, much less see the mentioned 'informative' photos and/or files.

Therefore forgive me for concluding that the above quotes from Bruce Fisher arguing about about "hiding nothing and truth setting free" are just per*haps a bit "inaccurate" and 'confused' ??

Maybe if you just post a link to the photo/file information that you state is available to all, as you so often post everywhere 'links' to the Forum, that would help

You are confusing the Injustice in Perugia forum with the Injustice in Perugia website that is available to anyone that has internet access.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/index.html

It appears that you are the one that is confused. If you stop trying so hard to win the internet battle you might actually begin to see the truth

 

[pilot padron]

Uhhh; but please consider...different 'kettles'

pilot padron,

At PMF at least one commenter complained about having to register at IIP to observe or obtain photographic information, IIRC. How is that different from PMF itself?

1) Did PMF just now argue *twice* somewhere saying something ever so sanctimonious *sounding* like "hiding nothing" or "truth setting free".

2) Forgive me if my 'dissertation less' research skills do not match yours, that I sincerely admire.
But if PMF just also did just make these same lofty *sounding* but 'inaccurate' claims.....I did not see them.
If you found PMF saying same, then and only then should my reply include any reference to PMF as you argue now.

Additionally, I did not start PMF, nor can I even now accomplish miniscule modifications to that Board and its policy.

Surely you would agree Mr Fisher is not comparably constrained with his own IIP.
Is He ???

Different 'kettles' indeed' and only one by making the sadly inaccurate sanctimonious statements has blackened itself.

ETA
Since I rarely if ever find a need to use neither IIP Forum or IIP website, to me 'IIP' as referenced above on this *Forum* referred to IIP Forum.

If information is 'hidden' at IIP whatever one you chose to now use, my criticism of your sanctimonious statements inthe argument as inaccurate is fully justified and I stick with it.

Kinda like *someone* (guess who) going to all the trouble to create a PMF.com website to deliberately confuse others and then even bragging about how 'clever' that was in arguments on this very board

 

[Bruce Fischer]

1) Did PMF just now argue *twice* somewhere saying something ever so sanctimonious *sounding* like "hiding nothing" or "truth setting free".

2) Forgive me if my 'dissertation less' research skills do not match yours, that I sincerely admire.
But if PMF just also did just make these same lofty *sounding* but 'inaccurate' claims.....I did not see them.
If you found PMF saying same, then and only then should my reply include any reference to PMF as you argue now.

Additionally, I did not start PMF, nor can I even now accomplish miniscule modifications to that Board and its policy.

Surely you would agree Mr Fisher is not comparably constrained with his own IIP.
Is He ???

Different 'kettles' indeed' and only one by making the sadly inaccurate sanctimonious statements has blackened itself.

You completely ignored the posts above. Have you realized your error and refuse to acknowledge it or do you still believe that injusticeinperugia.org requires registration?

 

[Justinian2]

In a game of chess, there can be 20 good moves on each side.
Or there can only be one best move.
Or no best moves.

In the Amanda trial, there can be 20 good pieces of evidence or no evidence.

All the good evidence is against Guede and there is no good evidence against Amanda.

If the prosecution played chess like they play court, my dog would beat them because he would make a decent move half the time. They lost their king long ago.

 

[RoseMontague]

Pilot,
I assume you have read about the shoe-print vs foot-print issue both here and at PMF. In your opinion, which is correct?

 

[pilot padron]

You completely ignored the posts above. Have you realized your error and refuse to acknowledge it or do you still believe that injusticeinperugia.org requires registration?

Unlike others who can actually read minds, I cannot type an edit to a post and read from another poster simultaneously.

Also unlike others, I will readily admit an error when so required.
(halides1 can verify that if needed by anyone not able to recall)

The edit to my above post refers directly to your uhhhh... 'explanation'... in your last argument made while I was typing the edit to my original post.
The edit above lists the reasons why I am sufficiently underwhelmed to unapologetically steadfastly stick by my position that your argument's sanctimony was/is scurrilously inaccurate.

Furthermore your deliberate efforts to confuse those seeking a competing website to IIP by construction of/boasting and braying about PMF.com substantiates just why your latest explanatory 'argument' about distinguishing URLs for IIP underwhelms me.

 

[HumanityBlues]

Am I to gather that *all* these files and photos on IIP are now *all* available to *all*; including unregistered guests that might visit IIP ??
Really ??

This then is a recent change since *much* of the information you cite as now 'unhidden' was/is restricted to registered users.
No ???

Hope I am not "confusing" anyone.
But having just tried, an unregistered user cannot even now use the IIP Index, much less see the mentioned 'informative' photos and/or files.

Therefore forgive me for concluding that the above quotes from Bruce Fisher arguing about about "hiding nothing and truth setting free" are just per*haps a bit "inaccurate" and 'confused' ??

Maybe if you just post a link to the photo/file information that you state is available to all, as you so often post everywhere 'links' to the Forum, that would help

This is one of the pettiest arguments in a long time. The awkwardly placed emoticons don't help either.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

time to put some Mozart on

Take the Casey Anthony case and add one Guede complete with bloody finger prints and foot prints. Add to that one body with knife wounds and Guede’s DNA. Add to that a viable alibi for Casey. Then find Casey guilty of murder and sentence her to jail for twenty six years. Then sue everybody that Casey knew including her parents lawyer and boyfriend. Then you would have the Amanda Knox case. With all the additional reasons for innocence that Amanda has over Casey and people still think she’s guilty! Incredible!

Casey’s daughter was killed by negligent homicide - at the very least - and NOBODY is in jail, let alone the whole town.

I’m not proud of the human race.

Justinian2,

I have reservations over the Casey Anthony verdict, at least with respect to the manslaughter charge. However, the sheer number of charges with respect to Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito boggles the mind, almost as much as the flimsiness of the central charge. Lest anyone think that I am bashing Italy, I think that the conviction of Gary Leiterman for the murder of Jane Mixer (a graduate student at the University of Michigan) is possibly the worst misuse of DNA evidence I have ever seen, as well as being among the most obvious cases of contamination. Fortunately, the human race is not just a fools' parade.

 

[platonov]

Kings flying across the courtroom (and some forums)

In a game of chess, there can be 20 good moves on each side.
Or there can only be one best move.
Or no best moves.

In the Amanda trial, there can be 20 good pieces of evidence or no evidence.

All the good evidence is against Guede and there is no good evidence against Amanda.

If the prosecution played chess like they play court, my dog would beat them because he would make a decent move half the time. They lost their king long ago.

Justinian

That's a great post - it perfectly sums up the arguments for innocence.

A couple of caveats however.
That's not how chess works - one never actually 'loses' one's king but once it 'happens' then its game over.
Also Belka could easily beat your dog.

And finally a prediction [ slightly paraphrasing a quote from this field in the early part of the last century ] - Come Oct/Nov it will be "That I should lose to these idiots !"

 

[Justinian2]

Justinian

That's a great post - it perfectly sums up the arguments for innocence.

A couple of caveats however.
That's not how chess works - one never actually 'loses' one's king but once it 'happens' then its game over.

Also Belka could easily beat your dog.
And finally a prediction [ slightly paraphrasing a quote from this field in the early part of the last century ] - Come Oct/Nov it will be "That I should lose to these idiots !"

Who's Belka?

The syllogism behind my dog being able to win a chess game with the prosecution is this:

The prosecution would always select the wrong move, my dog would be correct 50% of the time, therefore my dog would win a chess game with the prosecution.

The other syllogism is that Chess is a game of logic. The prosecution has gotten every logical inference wrong in the Amanda case, therefore the prosecution would lose in a chess game against anyone able to be correct half the time.

"That I should lose to these idiots" If you give the idiot a cannon and tie down his opponent, the idiot will 'win' every time (if that is your definition of 'winning'.)

 

[Justinian2]

Justinian2,

I have reservations over the Casey Anthony verdict, at least with respect to the manslaughter charge. However, the sheer number of charges with respect to Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito boggles the mind, almost as much as the flimsiness of the central charge. Lest anyone think that I am bashing Italy, I think that the conviction of Gary Leiterman for the murder of Jane Mixer (a graduate student at the University of Michigan) is possibly the worst misuse of DNA evidence I have ever seen, as well as being among the most obvious cases of contamination. Fortunately, the human race is not just a fools' parade.

I saw a video of a dog biting a shark tonight. The dog dove into the water and just bit the shark! The announcer was laughing his head off!

We should all be like that dog. We should bite the sharks before they bite us.

 

[platonov]

Who's Belka?

The syllogism behind my dog being able to win a chess game with the prosecution is this:

The prosecution would always select the wrong move, my dog would be correct 50% of the time, therefore my dog would win a chess game with the prosecution.

The other syllogism is that Chess is a game of logic. The prosecution has gotten every logical inference wrong in the Amanda case, therefore the prosecution would lose in a chess game against anyone able to be correct half the time.

"That I should lose to these idiots" If you give the idiot a cannon and tie down his opponent, the idiot will 'win' every time (if that is your definition of 'winning'.)

Whoosh

OK that's an even better example [ in that ....it perfectly sums up the arguments for innocence].

If it's not amenable via google it's a mystery !