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Pardalis said:
I asked a simple question, you keep not answering it. Funny isn't it?

Why is it that this question embarrasses you so much? The Israeli have no right to defend themselves?
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i do not support the state of israel in its treatment of palestinians.
it goes without saying that i do not support israeli aggression towards palestinians.
i have answered your question in a number of posts, and ways.
you just don't like the answer, or you are just missing the obvious.
 
If you can keep the concept of Palestinian fighting for their freedom separate from the concept of terrorist attacks, surely you can keep the concepts of Israelis defending themselves and the mistreatment of Palestinians separate as well.

But you can't do that. Israel is always guilty, even when it is attacked by Hamas.
 
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Maybe you think Israel should let itself be attacked, and not do anything when suicide bombers and rockets threaten its citizens?

It's like Israelis are different from other nations, they are not allowed to defend themselves, and are not allowed to have a state of their own.
 
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bikerdruid said:
i do not support the state of israel in its treatment of palestinians.
it goes without saying that i do not support israeli aggression towards palestinians.
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But you do support terrorism against Israel. They're fair game, apparently.
 
There is nothing wrong with killing Jews. And Jews who defend themselves against people who want to kill them are evil. Therefore, Hamas is good and Israel is bad. QED.
 
Praktik said:
Ah, so two questions:

Does this person then love it when Israelis die from terror attacks?
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Maybe, but what difference does it make? I support the IDF, but that doesn't mean I "love it" when they bomb a new smuggling tunnel and kill some poor schmuck inside.

Praktik said:
Or does this mean they are a "useful idiot", and thus unconsciously in support of Hamas?
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I don't think there is anything "unconscious" about it.
 
Praktik said:
I would think they're very confused to apply that to the Nazis.
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Odd, I feel the same way about those who call Hamas and Hezbollah "freedom fighters".

Praktik said:
I can see how one could apply that to the KKK, if I attempt to put myself in the shoes of white "racialists" threatened by the end of slavery in the Reconstruction era, less so nowadays.
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And if I put myself in the shoes of a raging anti-semite I could see how Hamas and Hezbollah are "freedom fighters".

Praktik said:
In both cases I might suspect there was a high likelihood the person was racist.
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Ya think?

Praktik said:
I don't think that carries to people saying the same about Hamas though, since I know plenty of non-racists who have the potential of saying the same thing.
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Some people are completely clueless about what Hamas is and what they want. bikerdruid, for example, didn't believe it when it was pointed out to him that anti-semitism and Jewish genocide was one of the principles the group was founded on. Except he doesn't have ignorance to hide behind now, as this has been pointed out to him. So what's his excuse now?

Praktik said:
Like, there's plenty of "freedom fighters" out there that have committed highly odious acts, so I think some direct appreciation of such acts needs to be in evidence before I can conclude that the person loves terror attacks or hates jews.
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How many of those "freedom fighters" belong to a group with genocide as their stated goal?

Praktik said:
Besides, on such a polarizing issue, there's enough misinformation on both sides to lead the confused to places that are contradictory (ie, calling Hamas "freedom fighters" while NOT hating jews and NOT loving terror attacks).
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bikerdruid has been linked to the Hamas Covenant on numerous occsasions. He doesn't get to use ignorance as an excuse any longer.

Praktik said:
All that being said, to indulge these questions is to indulge a rather silly methodology: I do not think that answering questions with the object of discussion being replaced by "Nazi" or "KKK" is all that worthwhile an approach, and rather moreso the mark of the intellectually lazy.
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I find it a very worthwhile approach. It shows the moral bankruptcy of supporting hate groups. Just because the hate group are foreigners doesn't make it OK to support them.

Praktik said:
Surely there's other ways to get your point across. Might be a fun exercise.

"How can I respond to this post without mentioning the KKK or Nazis?"
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I find this the best way to approach this issue. Hamas has much in common with the KKK and the Nazis. They are all hate groups. The Nazis went a long way to achieving Jewish genocide, Hamas is hoping to do the same eventually. And, of course, a big part of their strategy having their useful idiots and sympathizers break the blockade so heavy weapons can be imported from Syria and Iran.

Praktik said:
Maybe a good question to ask yourself before every post, see how well you do without your favourite crutch!
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No thanks. It's obvious you don't like this approach because it forces you to defend the indefensible. I'll keep hammering away at this because it exposes the hypocrisy and double-standards and the moral bankruptcy of those who support/sympathize with Hamas et al.

I don't excuse those who call genocidal terrorists "freedom fighters", whether they're talking about Nazis or Islamic militants.

Genocide is bad, m'kay?
 
bikerdruid said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_End_in_Sight
if you have not seen this film, you should.
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You know what else was a cool film? King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters.

Know what was really compelling? How it paints former record holder Billy Mitchell as a douchebag, despite more recent interviews suggesting he never was all that concerned with the record, and had nothing but respect for Steve Wiebe, the guy who broke his record.

Point being, editing can make anything seem the way you'd like it to.
 
Cobalt said:
You know what else was a cool film? King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters.

Know what was really compelling? How it paints former record holder Billy Mitchell as a douchebag, despite more recent interviews suggesting he never was all that concerned with the record, and had nothing but respect for Steve Wiebe, the guy who broke his record.

Point being, editing can make anything seem the way you'd like it to.
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That was a great film.
 
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