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Praktik said:
Indeed! And once we ascertain from their words that we can apply the word "support" to them, we can then understand that they support absolutely everything the object of their support does.

After all, in for an inch you're in for a mile!
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You do realize that words mean things, don't you? I'm sure you'd have no trouble understanding this if someone called the KKK "freedom fighters", yet you feign ignorance when someone calls Hamas "freedom fighters".
 
WildCat said:
You do realize that words mean things, don't you? I'm sure you'd have no trouble understanding this if someone called the KKK "freedom fighters", yet you feign ignorance when someone calls Hamas "freedom fighters".
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Im just saying, bikerdruid calling Hamas a resistance movement, or "freedom fighters", does not mean he is happy when they committ a terrorist act.

"Support" is a generalized term that really contains many degrees of support within it. I may support the goal of an organization while disagreeing with its methods, I may even be a confused person who is ill informed and makes judgments on that basis, yet still NOT be the kind of person that likes it when Israelis die at the hands of terrorists.

This is the game being played in this thread:

- Person X makes statement you disagree with about Hamas (maybe you even disagree for perfectly valid reasons).
- This lets you say person X "supports" the organization.
- With that done you can then say they love terrorism and support everything Hamas has ever done.
 
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jiggeryqua said:
Hey, if you want to position yourself as immature or adolescently opposed to reason and wisdom, don't let me stop you...I'm not the boss of you :rolleyes:
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Lighten up Francis, unless you want to position yourself as pedantic, officious and just a bit petty.
 
Pardalis said:
Nice list. Name-dropping is not evidence.

Try again.
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I'm not in a trench, squinting down the narrow field of vision of a sniper's scope, so to me it looks less like name-dropping and more like an invitation to consider the evidence of those well-placed to offer evidence.

Turning your back on it and saying "I see no film" is not as heroic as "I see no ships". I haven't watched it myself, I confess, but at least the evidence was offered...and I'm not entrenched on one side of this debate, so I've no obligation to stop occasionally and check that I'm digging in the right direction. Nobody, by the way, is firing in the right direction. There isn't a right direction for firing. I'm not Resume's dad and I'm not likely to broker a peace treaty either, but I feel obliged to register my objection to your war.
 
Resume said:
Lighten up Francis, unless you want to position yourself as pedantic, officious and just a bit petty.
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I am pedantic, officious and just a bit petty. Thank you for noticing, Susan. Now if you only you could be so honest...

Quick now, while you have the chance. I'm sure you'll manage to drag this exchange down to AAH in short order.
 
jiggeryqua said:
I am pedantic, officious and just a bit petty. Thank you for noticing, Susan. Now if you only you could be so honest...

Quick now, while you have the chance. I'm sure you'll manage to drag this exchange down to AAH in short order.
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Actually, I possess quite a bit of self-irony and aren't hung up about random opinions, so back on topic then.
 
Praktik said:
"Support" is a generalized term that really contains many degrees of support within it. I may support the goal of an organization while disagreeing with its methods
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Is there a right way to kill jews, then? Because Hamas doesn't just kill jews in order to accomplish something else. Killing jews is part of the goal itself.

I may even be a confused person who is ill informed and makes judgments on that basis, yet still NOT be the kind of person that likes it when Israelis die at the hands of terrorists.
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So... epic ignorance is really the only excuse for bikerdruid. Got it.
 
Praktik said:
Im just saying, bikerdruid calling Hamas a resistance movement, or "freedom fighters", does not mean he is happy when they committ a terrorist act.
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You avoided the question. If I called the KKK "freedom fighters", what would you conclude about me? If I called the Nazis "freedom fighters" what would you conclude?
 
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WildCat said:
You avoided the question. If I called the KKK "freedom fighters", what would you conclude about me? If I called the Nazis "freedom fighters" what would you conclude?
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nazis and the kkk are not fighting for the freedom of their families.
the nazis took war to other nations, trying to conquer them.
the palestinians are fighting for their own lives and freedoms.
the analogy fails.
 
bikerdruid said:
nazis and the kkk are not fighting for the freedom of their families.
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Sure they are, just ask them.

bikerdruid said:
the nazis took war to other nations, trying to conquer them.
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Hamas is certainly trying to take over Israel. The KKK never attacked another country.

eta: The Nazis were fighting for the freedom of German people in France, Poland, and Czechoslovakia.

The analogy is spot on, you are just too blinded by hate and ideology to see it.
 
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bikerdruid said:
are you claiming that the palestinians have no claim to any israeli territory?
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Are you saying Nazi Germany had no claim to any French territory? Polish territory? Czech territory?
 
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bikerdruid said:
yes i am.
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But they said they did. In fact, my German great-grandparents lost their homes and property and when Alcase-Lorraine was taken from Germany and given to France after WWI, and ethnic Germans forcibly removed.

I guess this means that you believe that land can be permanently lost in a war, correct?
 
WildCat said:
You avoided the question. If I called the KKK "freedom fighters", what would you conclude about me? If I called the Nazis "freedom fighters" what would you conclude?
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I dunno maybe I'd jump up on a pedestal and castigate them - meanwhile basking in the glow of my own moral superiority?

So illuminating. Is there any discussion that doesn't get more fruitful with references to the Nazis and WWII?

If there is - then I don't wanna know about it!
 
Ziggurat said:
Is there a right way to kill jews, then? Because Hamas doesn't just kill jews in order to accomplish something else. Killing jews is part of the goal itself.
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For some members of Hamas I'd agree. But I dont think that applies to all in the organization. As illustrated on a previous page, Hamas is a collection of factions some of whom are more "hardcore" than others. Others are pragmatic and less inclined towards violence.

Ziggurat said:
So... epic ignorance is really the only excuse for bikerdruid. Got it.
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I'm actually way more comfortable with people resting their case on that, then on bikerdruid liking it when terror attacks happen.
 
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