Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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And have you seen these images of the open door of the (inner) door apparently open? Posted on a blog on the 14th of November.

front door
blog post with photo

My research revealed the following on this some time back:
If you look at this blog - I can't get any contact information, but the author does seem to name himself: CHRISTOPHER DICKEY. Looking on google - he seems to be associated with Newsweek and seems to have a few articles he's written about Italy. I think it is the same person, because he seems to know Barbie Nadeau and name her in the blog posting below - even links to her own article in Newsweek on the matter.

If the date is correct, and seems to match with his travel blog activities he posted (rome Nov 1, perugia sometime thereafter) -- perhaps he was in perugia after the crime scene was "sealed"

I mean - why is the door open!?


It is Dickey's blog, and the photos were taken some time around 13th-14 November - long after the police's "crack" forensics team had left the cottage and supposedly sealed it as evidence. One can only assume that the "crack" police team didn't realise that the door needed to be locked with a key, and merely pulled it shut, whereupon it subsequently swung open after some time. There's no indication that the metal grille in front of the door (which is hinged on the left side as viewed from outside) was padlocked shut by the police: rather, it appears that the tape around the paper notice was placed to "seal" the gate to the surrounding wall:

http://i.imgur.com/ZodVV.jpg

But here's something very interesting: the above photo was quite clearly taken at a later date than the photo on Dickey's blog:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BZD30a25F.../s1600-h/Perugia+crime+scene+-+front+door.jpg

Note that in the blog photo, the paper notice is attached to the metal gate and the wall with a small amount of clear tape, but in the other photo the police appear to be reinforcing the attachment using copious amounts of stronger packing tape.

My inference is therefore as follows: the original (small amount of clear tape) used for "sealing" the metal gate was deemed insufficient by the police - which is precisely why it was subsequently reinforced as per the other photo. And that then suggests to me that the police had an active reason to decide to strengthen the quality of that seal: it had been broken in its previous weak incarnation.

So my proposition is this: once the "crack" forensics team had finished their work (or, more accurately, had not finished their work....), the police closed the front door without bothering to lock it (probably assuming that it was self-locking), pulled the security gate closed, and weakly taped the notice across the join of the security gate and the surrounding wall. I think that the door subsequently blew open, and that the security gate was probably also opened by someone at some point. In other words, I think there was a time between around November 6th and November 14th when literally anyone could have walked straight into a supposed "sealed crime scene" straight through the front door.

I think that the photo of the police reinforcing the seal over the metal gate with all that packing tape is a strong indicator that they were shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted. I'd be interested in seeing the courts investigate this matter further.
 
Are you claiming I am a "Foaker"?

BTW, did you see my post of a few days ago?



Do you have an opinion on this?


Yes

Yes / kinda' - I noted some 'confusion' :)

No - going over this for the 196th time is as relevant as the recently resurrected CT about the open door.
But 'open door' CT's are easier than DNA I guess - and less upsetting ;)
 
sophistry

Łubudubu! That counts as two for confirmation :D

Listen, P, I don't intend to prolong it, you're not in best shape today and it's like kicking someone who is down. I just asked you where did you get the Tagliabracci's "raw data" idea. Your reply "haha you don't now what I meant by raw data, my definition of raw data is really processed data" is really poor and immature even by standards of your usual postings.

So let's wrap it up, shall we? Or are you going to provide yet another definition ?:rolleyes:
 
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Yes / kinda' - I noted some 'confusion' :)

No - going over this for the 196th time is as relevant as the recently resurrected CT about the open door.
But 'open door' CT's are easier than DNA I guess - and less upsetting ;)

I don't see where the new quote has been gone over 196 times. The old one keeps coming up but that may change in light of this one.

Charlie has posted the transcript of the last hearing on the IIP public forum.
 
Hey! This "debate" thingy is easy! Here's my attempt at it:

Uh, that Darwin guy was dumb: all those ex-rectum assertions about evolution are demonstrably wrong! I can rapidly show its (sic) complete nonsense.

Anybody who doubts this is invited to follow the reference I provide below:

http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvGene.html

My argument has been made 500,000 times already. Defending the dumb argument of evolution (dumb even by the standards of established religions) is just to engage in sophistry.

WOW. IT'S EASY! :D
 
Somewhat extraordinarily, this official court document has spelled the name of the presiding judge incorrectly on its front page. Good work!

Looks like the court transcripts are prepared natively in electronic pdf format now. It would be great to have the upcoming hearings, too. I'm afraid it will take much more time to trascribe them, tough. Even if Stefi takes a medical leave :)
 
Looks like the court transcripts are prepared natively in electronic pdf format now. It would be great to have the upcoming hearings, too. I'm afraid it will take much more time to trascribe them, tough. Even if Stefi takes a medical leave :)


It does indeed, and it's good news for the transparency of justice. It still doesn't excuse misspelling the name of the presiding judge though :)
 
It does indeed, and it's good news for the transparency of justice. It still doesn't excuse misspelling the name of the presiding judge though :)

:D they misspell consequently throughout the document ( both times :) )

I wonder if he accepts both spelling versions and what his signature looks like.
 
If Stefanoni cheated, and Massei obfuscated, how can it be LJ's fault?


Now hold on just a minute here.

KM & RM are defending/obfuscating LJ's dumb argument - shouldn't you be defending KM's ex rectum assertions

Who is in charge of this foak / flange ?

ps Seems my post here was prophetic as well as descriptive ;)
 
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It is a fact that they refer to handbooks and field manuals of some USA state criminal justice and law enforcement bodies but there are also more notable references:

European Crime Scene Management Good Practice Manual (European Network of Forensic Science Institutes)

Interpol Handbook on DNA data Exchange and Practice — Recommendations
from the Interpol DNA Monitoring Expert Group

Handbook of Forensic Services (Laboratory Division of FBI)

It may indicate that local Italian formalized police guidelines are scarce but I highly doubt that the prosecution could successfully argue that those highly regarded international sources are wrong and Patrizia's practices are better.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, I expect this is the approach the shameless Maresca will take.:(
 
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I think the claim was that it was US biased, not exclusively US . Anyway, it was a preliminary observation from PMF based on a few pages. If that doesn't pan out I'm sure they'll think of something else.

The above snippet refers to the complaints at PMF about the C & V report.
When I read the highlighted portion the famous words of another American came to mind.
The late NC State Basketball Coach Jimmy Valvano (BTW - Italian descent I believe) famous quote from his valiant fight against the cancer that took his life - "Don't give up, don't EVER give up".
 
Now hold on just a minute here.

KM & RM are defending/obfuscating LJ's dumb argument - shouldn't you be defending KM's ex rectum assertions

What was LJ's 'dumb' argument? I thought he was trying to explain how it would have worked if Massei and Stefanoni did things the right way. I'm still trying to figure out what they did, I could use a little help here if you'd deign to dismount your mighty stallion and instruct us lowly cyberserfs, I have to make my quota! :p

Did the experts say that Raffaele's DNA was undoubtedly on the bra clasp? Or did they just say that amongst the numerous Y-haplotypes they found, Raffaele's was amongst them? Being as I'm almost sure that the argument was that there was only one male--but potentially other females--on the clasp, how come the experts found evidence of 'several males?'

There's something wrong here, isn't there?


Who is in charge of this foak / flange ?

Confidentiality agreements prohibit me from answering! A booming voice and a menacing visage is as far as I can go!



ps Seems my post here was prophetic as well as descriptive ;)

Are you the 'cute white chick' or the 'swarthy foreigner?' :p
 
Sarah Scazzie case update. It seems the prosecution has now bugged the entire city in a desire to find some shred of evidence against Sabrina and her Mom. Perhaps they should just build a jail around the whole community? It is amazing that the people there allow this to happen.

http://albatros-volandocontrovento.blogspot.com/2011/07/sarah-scazzi-chissa-se-giudici-ci.html

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Rose,

Several interesting photographs have been leaked to the press, photographs found on Sarah Scazzi's cell phone. See: EXCLUSIVE! That good-lookin' guy is Sabrina's boyfriend, Ivan. According to the prosecution, Sabrina was jealous of Sarah's "relationship" with Ivan,.........which ---somehow---culminated in Sarah's murder.

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