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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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a_unique_person said:
I don't agree with anything Hamas says, but Hamas is a relatively recent invention, and ignore the rest of what I said. If it was Eskimos Hamas would be calling for the end of Eskimos.
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Really? Would they be able to quote Koranic versus calling for the killing of Eskimos?
 
Cleon said:
That's a lie, too.
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There's no reason to break the blockade that doesn't involve giving Hamas greater freedom to smuggle in weapons. This is an example of useful idiots par excellence.
 
a_unique_person said:
I don't agree with anything Hamas says, but Hamas is a relatively recent invention
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...who found that a platform of "kill the Jews" gets them a lot of votes among "peace-loving Palestinians".

"Peace", of course, defined in the Hamas Charter as "no more Jews".
 
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Giz said:
There's no reason to break the blockade that doesn't involve giving Hamas greater freedom to smuggle in weapons. This is an example of useful idiots par excellence.
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Of course. The whole point of the flotillas are to break the blockade so Hamas can smuggle in weapons from Iran and Syria.
 
Skeptic said:
True. For some people, holocaust-denying, genocide-supporting, fascist Islamist theocracts like Hamas who randomly kill Jews are "freedom fighters".

Those people are known as "Jew haters".
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if i thought that it was worthwhile to try and have a rational discussion with you, i would.
but, lately, your m.o. is to make outrageous emotionally charged statements, like the one in the above quote, and absolutely refuse to give any evidence, or to back up your claims.
it appears that you have become a troll.
 
Giz said:
There's no reason to break the blockade that doesn't involve giving Hamas greater freedom to smuggle in weapons. This is an example of useful idiots par excellence.
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Bull. And irrelevant.

The fact is that there is no evidence that this man is a terrorist or a gun runner. Those accusations are simply lies.

This is an example of truthiness par excellence.
 
BTW, the border with Egypt is open now. Has been for a while.

The only possible reason for the Death to Israel flotilla is terrorist resupply.
 
Cleon said:
Bull. And irrelevant.

The fact is that there is no evidence that this man is a terrorist or a gun runner. Those accusations are simply lies.
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It doesn't matter if he is personally a terrorist or gun runner. The goal of the flotillas is to end the blockade, thus allowing Hamas to import weapons from thier buddies in Iran and Syria.

As Hamas Interior Minister Fathi Hammad said himself just last December:
The Jews have become abhorred and loathed outcasts, because they live off corruption and the plundering of the peoples – not only the Arab and Islamic peoples, but all the peoples of the world. The world has begun to be aware of this corrupting danger, and to applaud Hamas. The entire world says: "Bravo, Hamas, for confronting these people pf corruption." Whenever we score a goal, by achieving something against the Jews, the world applauds us. When we are playing, the entire world supports us.

Therefore, I expect that in the future, support for Hamas will grow. I also expect that in addition to the aid convoys, Hamas will get some "heavy stuff," which will help it be victorious. Hamas will receive its means of survival, its arms, and its supporters from where it is lease expected, because the hatred for the Jews is on the rise, and people who hate the Jews find no [other] way to fulfill their hatred of the Jews and of the Americans – the Americans too have become abhorred throughout the world, because of their corruption, for they are led by the Jews – and they will support us.
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http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2734.htm

There you go, direct evidence that Hamas is using the flotillas as a means to end the blockade so they can import heavy weapons to kill Jews with.
 
Cleon said:
The facts don't matter as long as The Truth is upheld. :rolleyes:
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Note I'm not calling the guy a terrorist and a gun runner. I'm just pointing out that if he achieves his goal (ending the blockade) Hamas will get heavy weapons so they can kill Jews. And they welcome the flotillas for just that purpose, using them for their own ends. Hamas' useful idiots.
 
Abdul Alhazred said:
BTW, the border with Egypt is open now. Has been for a while.

The only possible reason for the Death to Israel flotilla is terrorist resupply.
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your credibility is non existent.
please, show us where the flotilla promotes 'death to israel'.
as i asked earlier, please prove that they are supplying arms to gazans.
the last flotilla where the idf murdered several people, was bringing construction supplies, for rebuilding, and paper, which is contraband.
 
Giz said:
Really? Would they be able to quote Koranic versus calling for the killing of Eskimos?
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IIRC, it's pretty much like the Bible, it will have a quote that will suit anything you want. Hamas has to give up the idea that they can have all of Palestine back, Israel is here to stay. Like my comparison to other conflicts, that can take a long time, and some people will take even longer. It's hardly a human trait unique to Palestinians. Israel could help by not having key people like Netanyahu doing their best to destabilise the peace process because they do want it all, and proving to the Palestinians that the Israeli's can't be trusted.
 
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WildCat said:
It doesn't matter if he is personally a terrorist or gun runner. The goal of the flotillas is to end the blockade, thus allowing Hamas to import weapons from thier buddies in Iran and Syria.

As Hamas Interior Minister Fathi Hammad said himself just last December:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2734.htm

There you go, direct evidence that Hamas is using the flotillas as a means to end the blockade so they can import heavy weapons to kill Jews with.
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Has Memri got that video of Netanyahu saying he did his best to wreck Oslo? I'm betting it's not. Time to change the name and tax status of Memri.
 
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