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Miernik Wieslaw said:
I have discovered a therapeutic necklace with Buddha. The necklace cures people who do not dream. Please choose a few people who do not dream and check the curative properties of the necklace.
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1. Testing your necklace is your job, nobody else's. You've been told how to do it, so just do it. Or don't, your choice. But stop asking people here to do it for you, because nobody with any sense is going to waste their time on your ridiculous necklace until you have produced some pretty compelling evidence that it really does have curative powers.

2. Everybody dreams, though not everyone remembers their dreams. So your claim is actually that your necklace cures no-one.
 
Miernik Wieslaw said:
I use machine translation.
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I can help here. I know polish and am not a machine. Seriously, Wieslaw, I can translate your comments, the ones you translated via software are very hard to understand. I think you can post here in polish and I'll take care of it. Are there any objections? Would it be against any rules? Just want to make sure everybody can see I'm not making stuff up.

Wieslaw, I would really like to see applying for the price. I'll try and help with documents, language, and any questions you may have. Of course as far as I know the answers, I'm not associated with JREF, just a visitor.

Below, quick note in polish to Wieslaw, basically stting the same.
And of course: My first, big, fat hello to forum members !!

Wieslaw, ja znam polski i chetnie Ci pomoge w tlumaczeniu, i w potrzebnej dokumentacji jesli chcesz. Bardzo sie ciesze ze probujesz cos robic, mysle ze masz szanse powalczyc o nagrode. Smialo pisz po polsku, ja przetlumacze. Pozdrawiam.
 
Lucky Luke said:
I can translate your comments, the ones you translated via software are very hard to understand.
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It's not ideal, but I think the gist of what he's saying is clear.

He was unwell, he made himself a "magic pendant", he got better. In a classic case of the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy, he attributed the getting better to the pendant. He persuaded others to make and wear similar pendants and - thanks to the placebo effect and confirmation bias - some have also convinced themselves that the pendants have health benefits.

As a result of this completely worthless anecdotal evidence he now "knows for certain" that his pendant works, and that he could therefore win the JREF million dollar challenge. He now wants other people to make and try his pendant so they can provide him with yet more worthless anecdotal evidence. He seems unwilling to accept that to persuade anyone with any sense to take his claim seriously, let alone to win the JREF challenge, he would need to provide real evidence - the kind that can only be obtained via a double blind trial - despite the patient efforts of several posters to explain this to him.

What else is there to say?

And of course: My first, big, fat hello to forum members !!
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Welcome. :)
 
Lucki Luck przetłumaczenie może dla Ciebie być drobnostką, lecz jest to poważne wyzwanie. Jako że jesteś tu anonimowo nie musisz się niczego obawiać. Ważny jest do przetłumaczenia fakt o tym że siła pozazmysłowa umieszcza swoją siłą słowa polskie w piosenkach przeważnie angielskojęzycznych. Słuchając nagrania Opis utworów na www.miernik-wieslaw-muzzo.pl potwierdź autentyczność umieszczonej informacji, którą zostawiła tam siła pozazmysłowa. Każdy może sobie na podstawie zdjęcia zrobić wisiorek i nosić go. Jego kształt ma lecznicze działanie. Zapobiega powstawaniu chorób i leczy choroby przewlekłe. Jeśli się go nosi sześć miesięcy to zaczyna się pojawiać większa ilość snów. Swoją mocą leczniczą przewyższy choroby. Będzie to zauważalne po roku noszenia i tylko wtedy gdy pacjenci noszący wisiorek nie są obłożnie chorzy. Samo badanie nie sprawi kłopotów jeśli do badania wybierze się osoby nie śniące snów. Każda z osób prawdopodobnie potwierdzi że wisiorek przyczynił się do tego że wyśnili sny.

Machine translation. Lucki Luck can translate for you to be a trifle, but it is a serious challenge. Since you're here anonymously, no need to worry. What is important is to translate the fact that the power of extrasensory put your strength in the words of Polish songs mostly English speaking. Listening to the songs on the record description www.miernik-wieslaw-muzzo.pl confirm the authenticity of the information contained, which left a force there, extrasensory. Everyone can afford based on the pictures to make a pendant and wear it. Its shape has a therapeutic effect. Prevents disease and cure chronic diseases. If it bears six months is beginning to appear more of dreams. Its therapeutic effect exceeds the disease. This will be noticeable after a year of wear and only when patients are not wearing a pendant bedridden patients. The examination itself will not cause problems if you choose to test a person is not dreaming dreams. Each person is likely to confirm that the pendant has contributed to the fact that dreamed dreams.
 
Miernik Wieslaw said:
Lucki Luck przetłumaczenie może dla Ciebie być drobnostką, lecz jest to poważne wyzwanie. Jako że jesteś tu anonimowo nie musisz się niczego obawiać. Ważny jest do przetłumaczenia fakt o tym że siła pozazmysłowa umieszcza swoją siłą słowa polskie w piosenkach przeważnie angielskojęzycznych. Słuchając nagrania Opis utworów na www.miernik-wieslaw-muzzo.pl potwierdź autentyczność umieszczonej informacji, którą zostawiła tam siła pozazmysłowa. Każdy może sobie na podstawie zdjęcia zrobić wisiorek i nosić go. Jego kształt ma lecznicze działanie. Zapobiega powstawaniu chorób i leczy choroby przewlekłe. Jeśli się go nosi sześć miesięcy to zaczyna się pojawiać większa ilość snów. Swoją mocą leczniczą przewyższy choroby. Będzie to zauważalne po roku noszenia i tylko wtedy gdy pacjenci noszący wisiorek nie są obłożnie chorzy. Samo badanie nie sprawi kłopotów jeśli do badania wybierze się osoby nie śniące snów. Każda z osób prawdopodobnie potwierdzi że wisiorek przyczynił się do tego że wyśnili sny.

Machine translation. Lucki Luck can translate for you to be a trifle, but it is a serious challenge. Since you're here anonymously, no need to worry. What is important is to translate the fact that the power of extrasensory put your strength in the words of Polish songs mostly English speaking. Listening to the songs on the record description www.miernik-wieslaw-muzzo.pl confirm the authenticity of the information contained, which left a force there, extrasensory. Everyone can afford based on the pictures to make a pendant and wear it. Its shape has a therapeutic effect. Prevents disease and cure chronic diseases. If it bears six months is beginning to appear more of dreams. Its therapeutic effect exceeds the disease. This will be noticeable after a year of wear and only when patients are not wearing a pendant bedridden patients. The examination itself will not cause problems if you choose to test a person is not dreaming dreams. Each person is likely to confirm that the pendant has contributed to the fact that dreamed dreams.
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Find real translator.

This translation is very bad. It Makes no sense.
 
Pixel42 said:
What else is there to say?
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I think you summarized it in full :)
Still, if Wieslaw need some clarification I can give it a shot. Who knows, maybe we will have a new application.

Here is my shot at Wieslaw's words: (again, this is translation, so please do not hold me responsible for specific words. I would suggest to focus on the whole idea rather than specific meaning of specific words as those can be easily changed in the process)

Wieslaw said:
"Lucky Luke the translation can be easy for you, but in reality it is a serious challenge. Since you are here anonymously, you don't have to worry of anything. What is important to translate is that the paranormal (extrasensory) force is placing polish words in songs, most often English-language songs. If you listen to recordings on (website here - I am not allow to link yet) you can confirm the authenticity of this statement, which was placed there by paranormal force. Evrybody can make a pendant - based on the picture - and wear it. Its shape has a therapeutic effects. It prevent diseases and cure chronic ones. If you wear it 6 months, you start to dream more often (you have more frequent dreams). The healing power will be greater than diseases. You will notice it after a year of wearing it, and only if the patient wearing the pendant is not bedridden. The examination will not be problematic, if the persons chosen for the examination have not been dreaming the dreams (L.L. note: it is not clear if "examination" refers to pendant, people/patient or else). It is likely that every person will confirm that pendant has contributed to the fact that they were dreaming dreams"
 
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Wieslaw, it doesn't matter what I think and what is easy or not easy for me, or anybody else for that matter. What matters is that you need to clarify the way in which you plan to prove the healing powers of your pendant. That is all. If you are trying to convince anyone here solely by words, you are wasting your time, believe me. Now what is your testable claim?

Also, Wieslaw wrote to me on priv asking some questions.
Does he need some proven media attention or academic recognization? Does it have to be both?
Does he need a psychiatric statement that he is of the sound mind? I haven't heard of this one, but I don't think it changes the validity of the claim, right?
The questions regard the challenge application of course.
 
Miernik Wieslaw,

The Million Dollar Challenge is not the only challenge available. There are many others and many of them are closer to Poland and easier for you to get to. If you were to succeed in one of these challenges, you would win money and all the media and academic attention you will need for the Million Dollar Challenge.

Here is a list of possible challenges (many are in Europe):

There's the Australian Skeptics' AU$100,000 Prize
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/
They also offer AU$20,000 as a "Spotter's Fee"

There's the IIG's US$50,000 Challenge in California, USA
http://www.iigwest.org/challenge.html
They also offer US$5,000 as a "Finder's Fee"

There's the North Texas Skeptic's US$12,000 Challenge in the USA
http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/challenge.htm

There's Prabir Ghosh's 2,000,000 Rupee Challenge in India
http://rationalistprabir.bravehost.com/

There's the Swedish 100,000SeK prize offered by Humanisterna
http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php...d=27&Itemid=49

The Tampa Bay Skeptics offers a US$1000 prize in Florida, USA
http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/challenges.html

In Canada there's the CAN$10,000 from the Quebec Skeptics
http://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/activites/defi

In the UK, the ASKE organization offers £14,000
http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/challenge_rules.htm

Tony Youens in the UK offers £5,000
http://www.tonyyouens.com/challenge.htm

In Finland, Skepsis offers 10,000 Euros
http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/

The Fayetteville Freethinkers in Arkansas, USA offer a US$1000 prize
http://fayfreethinkers.com/

There's a 1,000,000 Yuan prize in China offered by Sima Nan. This is his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/simanan

The Belgian SKEPP organization offers a 10,500 Euro prize
http://www.skepp.be/prijzen/de-sisyphus-prijs/

If you find any broken links, or know of any tests not on this list, please notify me in this thread.

Good Luck,

Ward
 
Lucky Luke said:
What matters is that you need to clarify the way in which you plan to prove the healing powers of your pendant. That is all. If you are trying to convince anyone here solely by words, you are wasting your time, believe me.
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I think he wants us all to make one of his pendants, wear it for up to a year, and convince ourselves of its healing powers that way.

What he still doesn't seem to have grasped is that even if some more people did bother to make and wear his pendants, and even if they did convince themselves that their health had improved as a consequence, that would only be yet more worthless anecdotal evidence. He would be no nearer having an acceptable protocol with which to apply for the JREF challenge.

As for him hearing Polish words in English songs that sounds like auditory pareidolia, which is also what causes people to think they hear words in random noise: http://www.skepdic.com/evp.html
 
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Emet said:
@Lucky Luke:

Here is the MDC Challenge info[/URL].
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Thank you - very informative.

@warderclyffe: I double that. I think it'd be a great solution.

@Pixel42: You are right, and I'd leave it like that as nothing said seems to be heard. Unfortunately, the story just got sadder:

Wieslaw wrote:
"I gave the pendants to couple of people who hadn't dreamed, so they could check if pendants have a healing powers. Those people confirmed and signed the statement that thanks to pendants the dreaming of the dreams became possible. Nautilus Foundation, which investigate paranormal phenomena in Poland declined to investigate the pendant. District Attorney office not only declined to investigate, but also submit an application to take away my driver license. I appealed the notion and currently await the decision. When it comes to the pendant the carrier can experience a body rejuvenation. I suspect that if I don't die, then in 5 or 10 years rejuvenation will occur, thanks to the pendant."
 
Wieslaw wrote:
"..District Attorney office not only declined to investigate, but also submit an application to take away my driver license. I appealed the notion and currently await the decision. When it comes to the pendant the carrier can experience a body rejuvenation. I suspect that if I don't die, then in 5 or 10 years rejuvenation will occur, thanks to the pendant."

That really is sad.
 
The saddest thing is that he appears to be no closer to understanding why the District Attorney and the Nautilus Foundation have no interest in his pendant, despite the best efforts of several posters here to explain it to him. :(
 
Ever notice there are some threads where the first sentence of the OP is all you need to read?
 
My correspondence with John Blanton "<skeptic75287@yahoo.com

Subject: 12000$
To: skeptic75287@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 1:19 AM


Wieslaw Miernik
Poland

Ive discovered a pendant with Buddha, which wearing heals. I live in Poland. Someone has to verify its curing abilities to convince people to its power. You are saying that you examine extrasensory, paranormal phenomena, thus I have an offer to you. To verify whether it works it is necessary to choose people who do not dream dreams or do very rarely. They should wear it for at least one year to make sure that the pendant gives them the ability to dream. The statement from the participants of the test, that because of wearing of the pendant with Buddha they gained the ability to dream will be the proof confirming its extrasensory, paranormal power.Miernik Wieslaw

To Wieslaw Miernik:

The method you describe would not constitute proof the pendant provides the ability to dream. Here is why:

We will only have the word of the subject that they were unable to dream prior to wearing the pendant and that they gained the ability to dream after wearing the pendant. The unsubstantiated statements of people do not constitute good scientific evidence.

If you have another idea for investigating the powers of this pendant, we will be interested in hearing about it. We will be very eager to work with you on this project.

Thanks for contacting The North Texas Skeptics, and please keep in touch with us. All correspondence related to the NTS Paranormal Challenge will be published in our newsletter and posted on our Web site.

Best regards,

John Blanton
Skeptical Web Master
http://www.ntskeptics.org
214-335-9248
 
It has been explained to you repeatedly that the only kind of test that would be accepted as adequate proof of your pendant's miraculous powers by JREF or any other sceptical organisation (or, for that matter, by any sensible person) is a double blind one, like the one I described for you in detail in post #6.

Why, then, did you waste your time submitting this worthless claim and test suggestion to the North Texas Skeptics?
 
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