Vegan/vegetarian at TAM9

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I think you're going to have to be suspicious of everything... is that scrambled eggs or tofu scramble? Is that a "real" american cheese slice on the burger or tofu cheese? What about the burger? How much tofu is hiding in THAT?

As long as they don't put any in the beer.

What's funny is, that on Sunday night last year, I was having dinner with another TAM veteran, and we both figured out it was the first time either of us had eaten dinner that week. We had liquid dinners on Wed-Sat.

 

[Tatyana]

I was being snarky, but I've been down this road dozens of times with vegetarians and tofu.

I've tried tofu. It tastes like rubber. Period. But whenever I mention this to vegetarians, they always complain that wherever I had tried it before hadn't prepared it properly, and it doesn't taste like rubber, and then they offer me some "properly" prepared tofu, which tastes like....rubber.

So I'm imagining that vegan donuts likely taste like cardboard, no matter how much you may insist they don't.

I am not vegetarian, but I have had entirely vegetarian food today, including tofu.

If you get the smoked tofu from a company called Demeter or Taifun, it if fricking delicious.

Tofu is basically soya bean cheese, and as we all know, not all cheeses in the world are the same.

Vegan and hippies can make some the best baking on the planet.

The vegan caramel squares from Midnight Espresso on Cuba Street in Wellington NZ are the best I have ever tasted.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I am not vegetarian, but I have had entirely vegetarian food today, including tofu.

If you get the smoked tofu from a company called Demeter or Taifun, it if fricking delicious.

Tofu is basically soya bean cheese, and as we all know, not all cheeses in the world are the same.

Vegan and hippies can make some the best baking on the planet.

The vegan caramel squares from Midnight Espresso on Cuba Street in Wellington NZ are the best I have ever tasted.

Heard it all before.

 

[AdMan]

What's funny is, that on Sunday night last year, I was having dinner with another TAM veteran, and we both figured out it was the first time either of us had eaten dinner that week. We had liquid dinners on Wed-Sat.

Wow--you didn't even walk over to the deli to grab a bite? You could have taken it right back to the bar.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Wow--you didn't even walk over to the deli to grab a bite? You could have taken it right back to the bar.

I know. But that seemed like too much effort at the time.

 

[Andriiya]

No offense... but how many people are going to risk missing a keynote speaker just to get vegan ice cream? Even if it is made with liquid nitrogen. Atomic #7 is a 25+ minute drive from SP, without accounting for any possibly crazy Saturday night Vegas traffic.

Also, I'd say it's really not a good idea to provoke Penn with even a non-pushy, perfectly innocent offering of vegan/vegetarian food.

 

[Ziggy66]

You may be right that vegan "american" "cheese" may taste as good or better than "real" "american" "cheese". Of course, so would my shoe.

 

[Tatyana]

Heard it all before.

Yes, but have you tried it?

Japanese silken tofu done teppanyaki style, Chinese Buddhist vegetarian mock duck?

I am not sure why people get their knickers in such a twist about vegetarians and vegans, there are so many world cuisines that are veggie or vegan and delicious.

The Chinese often do a combination of tofu with meat, which is also delicious.

Admit it, your diet is limited, to lager.

 

[Andriiya]

I am not sure why people get their knickers in such a twist about vegetarians and vegans, there are so many world cuisines that are veggie or vegan and delicious.

I think a lot of it has to do with the veggie/tofu/soy meat subsitutes. They're honestly disgusting 99.999% of the time. Anyone eating a meat subsitute is obviously trying to replace something they'd prefer (meat) with something that tastes like cardboard. Same thing with vegan donuts, if someone wants a donut, they want a donut. If you want to make vegan deserts, fine... but more people would be interested if they were more independant of their non-vegan cousins.

In other words...
Veggie sub, salad, grilled veggies, deserts that just happen to be vegan, etc. = Good
Tofurkey, soymilk, veggie burgers, vegan donuts, etc. = Bad

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yes, but have you tried it?

Japanese silken tofu done teppanyaki style, Chinese Buddhist vegetarian mock duck?

I am not sure why people get their knickers in such a twist about vegetarians and vegans, there are so many world cuisines that are veggie or vegan and delicious.

The Chinese often do a combination of tofu with meat, which is also delicious.

Admit it, your diet is limited, to lager.

And ales.

I have no idea what kind/brand/species of tofu I've tried on the numerous occasions I've tasted it, all I know is that all of them tasted like rubber. I'd compare it to wine - I don't like the taste of wine. I've had bottles from $4 to $100+, red, white, whatever, so I'm quite sure I've tried a broad range of wines. I didn't/don't like any of them, because they taste like wine. As they should, because they are...well...wine. But that never stops well meaning people from insisting that the reason I don't like wine is that I've never had good wine, so try this one, which I do, and have to break the news to them that I don't like it, because, like all the wines before it, it tastes like....wine.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

In other words...
Veggie sub, salad, grilled veggies, deserts that just happen to be vegan, etc. = Good
Tofurkey, soymilk, veggie burgers, vegan donuts, etc. = Bad

I agree with this! Stop trying to make stuff that "tastes just like" meat, but really doesn't, unless you have convinced yourself that it does to impress your fellow hippies. I often order off the vegetarian half of the menu - red beans and rice (some places make it without ham/chicken/sausage), various pasta dishes, salads, etc. If you like veggies, eat veggies, and not fake "meat".

 

[xinit]

I think a lot of it has to do with the veggie/tofu/soy meat subsitutes. They're honestly disgusting 99.999% of the time.

Keeping in mind that I eat meat...

There are some amazing fake meats made out of tvp and gluten that are believeable enough in stir fry at least that you would be seriously surprised. Any of the prepared lunch "meats" are mostly a disaster, but the TVP hamburger is quite similar to over-cooked loose hamburger on its own. In a sauce, you wouldn't know except for the absense of the odd bits of gristle or bone.

The best veggie burgers are the ones that don't try to be fake meat though -the ones that have grains and nuts in them and taste like their own thing.

 

[cwalner]

Sadly, I think all donuts at the party will be of the Krappy Kirspy Kreme variety, however there will be bacon... so I think that makes it ok.

I say we encourage the OP to request a vegan bacon option from Penn, and record his response. Should be entertaining.

 

[cwalner]

Keeping in mind that I eat meat...

There are some amazing fake meats made out of tvp and gluten that are believeable enough in stir fry at least that you would be seriously surprised.

I am also an omnivore, but I recall that Panda Express used to have a Tofu & eggplant dish that I would typically get. The sauce was very tasty and the tofu was itself fairly bland but it was just the right consistency to absorb the sauce so it had that same flavor.

 

[AdMan]

I eat meat but once had a vegetarian girlfriend and occasionally ate this stuff.

It's actually not bad, IMO.

 

[Soymilk420]

I eat meat but once had a vegetarian girlfriend and occasionally ate this stuff.

Lol, there used to be a lot of pseudoscience going around about Quorn's mycoprotein and how it was supposed to be bad for you.
I never did try the brand, it all has egg in it

Stop trying to make stuff that "tastes just like" meat

Vegetarianism for many isnt about a taste preference but rather about an ethical choice in regard to animal welfare or rights. The aesthetics of meat is entirely tangential for many.
Also especially in some cultures the line between faux meat and regular food is blurry. Many vegetarian restaurants will serve you a large falafel patty on a bun as a "burger", does that cross the line?...falafel is a pretty old and traditional food, are falafel balls "fake meatballs" because some vegans use them as such in pasta dishes. Should vegetarians not grill portobello burgers because its too meaty? How about horchata, it a useless milk substitute or is it its own thing, a yummy rice milk. Anyways I dont see what negative ethical implications or negative effects on others that someone eating beans mashed into the shape of a burger has that would cause other people to care about it.
I would also like to note that "meat" and "flesh" do not refer to just animal muscle matter but also to plant matter such as the meat of a chestnut or the flesh of an orange, the use of meat by vegetarians need not always harken back to animal muscle but could instead describe the meat and flesh of the plant matter
Similarly for milk, it is not exclusive to excretions of mammals but also to any plant substances that have a milky appearance, for example coconut milk.

In other words...
Veggie sub, salad, grilled veggies, deserts that just happen to be vegan, etc. = Good
Tofurkey, soymilk, veggie burgers, vegan donuts, etc. = Bad

I have a donut recipe book with various international and American donuts recipes, it includes one or two that are totally vegan without intending to be. They just happen to be vegan...are they "good" because they happen to be vegan instead of intend to be? (taste wise I dont know i havnt made them yet)The same goes for cakes and cookies, I have many vegan cookbook but also many older non-vegan ones that will sometimes contain cookie or cake recipes without egg or dairy while that same same dish in another cookbook will call for egg. Recipes vary A LOT. I dont think Donuts must contain egg to be a donut, they just gotta look and taste like one, if that can be done without egg whether intentionally or not I dont see what the problem is.

 

[Soymilk420]

No offense... but how many people are going to risk missing a keynote speaker just to get vegan ice cream?

um the keynote is on friday, this event is on saturday, on the program it says
6:00 – 8:00 pm

***Dinner on own***

6:00 – 8:00 pm

***Book Signing Table Open (Schedule TBA)***

I figured that folks could leave before the Dawkins speech at 8

truthfully youre the only one so far who has expressed concern that the location and time are not ideal (i know neither are ideal but they were the best options) If you have another suggestion on location (i was considering just doing it at the bar) and time that would be helpful and Ill consider it.

 

[Tatyana]

I think a lot of it has to do with the veggie/tofu/soy meat subsitutes. They're honestly disgusting 99.999% of the time. Anyone eating a meat subsitute is obviously trying to replace something they'd prefer (meat) with something that tastes like cardboard. Same thing with vegan donuts, if someone wants a donut, they want a donut. If you want to make vegan deserts, fine... but more people would be interested if they were more independant of their non-vegan cousins.

In other words...
Veggie sub, salad, grilled veggies, deserts that just happen to be vegan, etc. = Good
Tofurkey, soymilk, veggie burgers, vegan donuts, etc. = Bad

I think that your post is another example of knix in a twist.

Various cultures, including the Chinese and Japanese, have a long history of making things that 'taste like meat' but are not meat.


I eat meat. In fact, I had Irish steak mince chili today (that I made myself).

I also had Quorn sausages and now, Asda's own veggie burgers.

The veggie sausages and burgers are convenient as they are frozen, dead easy to make as you can microwave them, and they taste great.

They are also fairly cheap in comparison to buying a cheap meat based sausage or burger, which I personally think would be the disgusting bits of animal waste.

In an odd twist of irony, the one place we avoid eating burgers is the US. We did try and In and Out Burger on Sunset Strip as people rant about them, and I thought they were meh.


When we are in New Zealand, we are quite keen on Wisconsin Burger, Burger Fuel and while in Auckland, Murder Burger. And yes, they are beef burgers, not veggie.

We also often have both milk and soya milk in our fridge, I prefer soya milk, especially vanilla, in my evening cocoa and on morning muesli.

I personally think people have some fixed ideology that filters their experience of vegetarian food.

 

[Tatyana]

And ales.

I have no idea what kind/brand/species of tofu I've tried on the numerous occasions I've tasted it, all I know is that all of them tasted like rubber. I'd compare it to wine - I don't like the taste of wine. I've had bottles from $4 to $100+, red, white, whatever, so I'm quite sure I've tried a broad range of wines. I didn't/don't like any of them, because they taste like wine. As they should, because they are...well...wine. But that never stops well meaning people from insisting that the reason I don't like wine is that I've never had good wine, so try this one, which I do, and have to break the news to them that I don't like it, because, like all the wines before it, it tastes like....wine.

I am going to conclude you have mutant taste buds.

Carry on.

 

[Ziggy66]

And ales.

I'd compare it to wine - I don't like the taste of wine. I've had bottles from $4 to $100+, red, white, whatever, so I'm quite sure I've tried a broad range of wines. I didn't/don't like any of them, because they taste like wine.

Well now you've gone too far!