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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Darth Rotor said:
The law of blood and iron hasn't been invoked in a while. I'd like to point out that killing gets people to redraw lines on maps, and words in constitutions.
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Yeah, but for the moment we're just talking about the bits that were purchased with coin before the blood and iron came into play.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you think that's necessary?



If I apply Occam's Razor, I think the simplest explanation is that the blogger found the statement from the court in it's original Hebrew, then used Google translate to translate it. The alternative explanation, that someone went to the trouble of forging a document in Hebrew but then didn't go to the effort to produce a decent English translation, seems both more complex and less likely to me.

Of course, I will not be surprised if you disagree.



It's only an ordinary claim. It requires only ordinary evidence.

Of course, I will not be surprised if you disagree.
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where did they find the statement from the court? where is the retraction they claim exists?? Occams razor would suggest that if you can find these things nowhere else but on the blog then they came came from the blog.

but anywhay....this has largely descended to its endpoint. You have found someone else on the internet that shares your instinctive beliefs and thats enough of a source to satisy the denyability requirements.

love the blog :) aspecially his little bit about this story being a blood libel.... Good old antisemitic blood libel peddling Ynet news....
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah, but for the moment we're just talking about the bits that were purchased with coin before the blood and iron came into play.
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Sorry, you seem to assume some sort of rules are involved in this game.

There aren't many.

Play is continuous, there are no time outs, no do overs.

Each morning brings a new day, and possibly a new idea, a new event, or a new ********. And it may also bring a surprise.

Recall 1973 war and the SAM-6.

Surprise!
 
Darth Rotor said:
Sorry, you seem to assume some sort of rules are involved in this game.

There aren't many.

Play is continuous, there are no time outs, no do overs.

Each morning brings a new day, and possibly a new idea, a new event, or a new ********. And it may also bring a surprise.

Recall 1973 war and the SAM-6.

Surprise!
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This really has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.
 
BBC has picked up the story about the spirit possesed dog stoning.

They agree with Mycrofts blog (hope they didn't get the story from the blog :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13838347

still rather strange that Ynet say the source was an untra orthadox website and not this newspaper that has supposedly issued a retraction....

I need to get to the source of this blood libel, Ynet? The ultra orthadox website? maybe even the BBC??
 
WildCat said:
This really has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.
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someone has wandered off topic in the Middleast thread?????? Say it isn't so.....

what I want to know is how this compares to the atmospheric pressure on mars.....what do people think?
 
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The Fool said:
no...I saw it....but they didn't link to its source.



you have accepted that its from the court? who knows where they got it from or where it came from.


but blogs stories with no links are ok to accept eh? hold the salt?


actually whats happened here is quite common. A story is published. You need to deny it so search for anything that helps. A blog that also denies it without presenting any verification is all you can find so that will have to do.

has Ynet retracted the story yet? Maybe they are anti-semites.

Have we found the article in the newspaper that supposedly (according to your blog) retracts the story? Have we found the "court document" the blog displays?

I agree with you that the story is uber crazy but hey.....your blog fuelled response is right up there too.
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Ma'a'riv did post an apology to the story.
This is from another source since right now I can't locate Ma'a'riv's source.
http://www.kikarhashabat.co.il/%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%A9%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%91-%D7%94%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%A0%D7%A6%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA.html

It says that Maariv posted an aplogy saying that they are sorry for publishing a not fully correct story.
It appears that the dog was a pregnant female dog and it did enter the Beit Hadin. The authorities there called the official city dog pound to take it away. No stoning happened.

Your friendly neighborhood translator...:D
 
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The Palestinians of 1967.

Michael Totten interviews an East Jerusalem Arab shopkeeper who wants to be vaporized by an Iranian nuke launched at Israel.

“I will cut off my hand if Obama makes peace in this country,” he said. “He can’t. And when he’s gone, the next president will be the same. Obama is on Israel’s side. I don’t know if it’s because of the Jewish lobby or what, but he will never force Israel to give us a state.”

“All our recent presidents,” I said, “including Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, supported a Palestinian state.”

He dismissed what I said with a wave of his hand.

“What about Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza?” I said.

Again, he dismissed what I said with a wave of his hand.

I asked him about Barak’s and Clinton’s offers for a final settlement in 2000, which would have given the Palestinians all of Gaza, almost all of the West Bank and parts of Jerusalem, including the Muslim, Christian and Armenian quarters of the Old City.

“They wouldn’t give us the mosque,” he said.

“The Al Aqsa Mosque,” I said.

“Yes, the mosque,” he said.

“Israelis don’t care about keeping the mosque,” I said. “They just want to keep the Western Wall of the temple.”

“I hope Iran gets the bomb,” he said. “Then we’ll be equal.”

“Don’t you think that will make the Middle East even more dangerous than it already is?” I said.

“I am ready to die,” he said. “If Israel can be destroyed, I am willing to die.”

Ghazi may be part of a political minority among the Palestinian residents of Jerusalem. But how many who live in the West Bank and Gaza think like he does?

“I’m not ready to die,” I said. “And I don’t want to die here.”

He placed his hand on my arm and said, “then you should go back to your country.”
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http://pajamasmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/06/19/the-palestinians-of-1967/
 
The Fool said:
...Occams razor would suggest that if you can find these things nowhere else but on the blog then they came came from the blog....
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So you think the simplest explanation is that someone, an English speaking blogger, decided to fabricate a Hebrew document but then couldn't be bothered to come up with a better English translation?

Well, that's your opinion. I disagree, but I can't say your conspiracy theory surprises me.
 
WildCat said:
Hogwash.

You're equivocating immigrants with invaders. By your own criteria the English Defense League is entitled to shoot Muslim immigrants to the UK. But I really doubt you'd support that, would you?
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I'm am giving examples of immigrants who were invaders. These are historical and factual. I am not claiming that all immigrants are invaders.

The Palestinians had a right to self determination is the point, and wished to assert that right. It appears that even something as basic as that is now being held as contentious.
 
a_unique_person said:
I'm am giving examples of immigrants who were invaders. These are historical and factual. I am not claiming that all immigrants are invaders.

The Palestinians had a right to self determination is the point, and wished to assert that right. It appears that even something as basic as that is now being held as contentious.
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They were offered a state a bunch of times and turned it down so they could kill a few more Jews and hand out candy. Now Israel's policy is "don't be a sucker".
 
a_unique_person said:
I'm am giving examples of immigrants who were invaders. These are historical and factual. I am not claiming that all immigrants are invaders.
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So when did the Jews invade Israel? This is the 3rd time I asked you this, you ignore it every time.

a_unique_person said:
The Palestinians had a right to self determination is the point, and wished to assert that right. It appears that even something as basic as that is now being held as contentious.
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You keep saying that, but do you have any evidence that Palestinians were seeking independence from Jordan and Egypt in 1948?
 
IDB87 said:
If it was any sort of accurate analogy, he/she should have referenced the 1948 war for an attempted invasion or what have you.
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Which it was -- an invasion by the Arab countries into Israel with the goal of wiping it off the map.
 
Funny how some people *do* accept as, at least, possible that those crazy backward Joooooz stoned a dog for being the reincarnation of a lawyer... but are oh-so-skeptical about the strong denial, and almost-immediate withdrawal, of the same story. The desire to believe bad things about the Jews takes common sense away from some people.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
:wwt

You are aware of what the Waffen SS did in the Balkans, right?
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Like Marx said, and JJ believes, calling someone "evil" is just a burgenois bogeymen to get the masses to hate those their rich capitalist masters want to exploit next.

Well, except for the USA and Israel. THOSE countries are REALLY evil. It's only the likes of Al-Queda, the Taliban, the 9/11 hijackers, the suicide bombers, Hamas, Hizbullah, etc., etc. who are given the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Check out these deceitful Hamas supporters on the BBC:



Regardless of the question, shouting the same propaganda line is the preferred tactic.
 
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