• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
I think your act is as transparent as Irving's was to the British court. If you are familiar enough to quote specific excerpts from that trial record there is no way you are not aware of people convicted for participating in the various phases of the extermination process - up to and including introducing the gas into the actual gas chambers- mentioned by name in that same record. When the names come up, will you be using his line of attack or will you show awareness of the fact that it was defeated and make note of the manner in which the defense of history deflated his approach?

All the verdict against Irving proved is how powerful the Holocaust lie(s) has become in spite of the Holocaust's biggest lie, gas chambers, never being mentioned in the post war writings of Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle.
 
.
Speaking of lies, have you managed to document a single one on the THHP site?
.
 
I think it's all patently ridiculous. Is that enough? Without good forensics and documentary evidence, eyewitness testimony is basically useless, unless it's corroborated by other eyewitnesses.

In the case of gas chambers, there is both corroboration and documentary and forensic evidence. It's a clean sweep.



Oh, did I offend you? How terrible! The whole conversation is offensive. Man up, for God's sake.

But this does lead to the question of what would suffice as evidence for you.

Well?



I would deny gas chambers also if there weren't any evidence for them. The problem (for you) is that there are great big heaping piles of evidence. Why do you ignore it?

The problem with good forensics and documentary evidence and eyewitness testimony is interpretation.

Below is "evidence" that the final solution was to be the killing of all Jewish people. How many times does Himmler have to say Judenevakuierung, meaning evacuation of the Jews?

Judenevakuierung
Judenevakuierung
Judenevakuierung


http://www.auschwitz.dk/Himmler.htm

At the top are the words spoken by Himmler "final solution."

Heinrich Himmler
In a speech to 100 SS generals, he spoke of the extermination of Jews. His handwritten note uses the euphemism Judenevakuierung, meaning evacuation of the Jews. However, in sound recordings of the speech, Himmler defined evacuation as extermination.

In his speech addressing the SS group leaders on October 4, 1943, while in Poznan, Himmler gave his actual thoughts and ideas of how one of his men, on the Waffen SS, should act and hate anyone who was not of their own blood. The purpose of this meeting was to act as a morale-booster for leaders of SS personnel engaged in the monstrous business of the Final Solution. During the course of his speech, Himmler made his now-infamous statement that the Final Solution was to be a never-to-be-written page in our history.

Of course, the irony in this statement is well-known in retrospect, for the Nazis did keep meticulous records of their transports and of camp prisoners, so many that even last-minute attempts at destroying those records could not obliterate the paper trail that linked them inexorably to the murders of millions of Jews and also non-Jews. The pages of history would be written, to be sure, but not in the manner intended by Heinrich Himmler and his accomplices.

Himmler: Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished ...


Himmler: I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being exterminated," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, a small matter ...
 
.
And how many times does Himmler use Judenevakuierung?

Once.

And how many times Ausschaltung or Ausrottung?

Four.

umbringen?

Twice.

Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen?

Once, but then you do not know the meaning of any of that, since you know no German beyond Heil.

Documented any lies on the THHP site yet?
.
 
All the verdict against Irving proved is how powerful the Holocaust lie(s) has become in spite of the Holocaust's biggest lie, gas chambers, never being mentioned in the post war writings of Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle.
Justice Gray not once mentioned an Eisenhower or a De Gaulle in the post-trial verdict. Can we be sure they ever existed?

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2000/115.html
 
All the verdict against Irving proved is how powerful the Holocaust lie(s) has become in spite of the Holocaust's biggest lie, gas chambers, never being mentioned in the post war writings of Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle.
Now Clayton Moore is back to listing writings he hasn't read and repeating "lies" without ever demonstrating a single lie. Oh, I know one: when LGR on another forum claimed that OSR 24 was manipulated . . . that was a bald-faced lie . . .
 
Q. How much gold from teeth was sent out of Treblinka each week?
A. Each week two suitcases were sent off, each of them containing about eight to ten kilograms.
Q. Where were they sent to?
A. They were delivered again to this Matthias, who was the chief of our camp - in fact, the chief of our barracks, of the building where we lived - and he told us that they were dispatching them to Berlin.
Q. Were they gold teeth only?
A. Gold teeth and also false teeth, that is to say, they were removed from the artificial frame.
Presiding Judge: They used to remove false teeth as well?
Witness Lindwasser: False teeth as well.

Further courtroom testimony on gold teeth taken from Jews for the benefit of the Reich was given at Nuremberg in 1947. Robert Kempner, a senior prosecutor, asked Walter Funk who gave the order "to process and deposit" the "gold teeth that were used as raw material for official Prussian currency," and Funk replied, "I didn't give it. As it happens, there were agreements between the SS and the Ministry of Finance about handling these items. . . . [Himmler] said at the time [1942], that we had confiscated significant sums in the East. He said it as an aside . . . He said that we should store them in the Reichsbank deposits room." Funk clarified that he "didn't think there was anything bad about it, because he was the chief of police. . ."

So in their "best" argument deniers argue that Treblinka was, for example, a transit camp, where Jews were unfortunately robbed before supposedly being sent further east, the hair cutting explained as part of a mythical delousing treatment at the camp. The Nazis' themselves tried a pathetic cover story having to do with bandits and hoarders, a story that doesn't even pass the smell test for latter day Nazis like Kues and his ilk; so they concoct this transit camp nonsense. In both cases--confiscations from criminals and transit camp looting--the gold teeth stand out: WTF? gold teeth removed from tough guys, along with women's underwear and eyeglasses, 10s of 1000s of items taken off hoarders? shorn hair by the bushel? Or removed from their owners as part of, ahem, a pre-journey delousing?

I may have missed something but where in NO-61 and NO-62 (the listings of looted items) is gold teeth mentioned? Or what is it camouflaged under?
 
Evidence?

"What did they do to the children?" asked Felbert. Kittel - who sounded "very excited" at this point, according to the transcriber - answered: "They seized three-year-old children by the hair, held them up and shot them with a pistol and then threw them in. I saw that for myself. One could watch it."

Another general, General-leutnant Hans Schaeffer, commander of the 244 Infantry division, asked Kittel: "Did they weep? Have the people any idea what's in store for them?"

"They know perfectly well," replied Kittel. "They are apathetic. I'm not sensitive myself, but such things turn my stomach."

Later on, however, Kittel mused: "If one were to destroy all the Jews of the world simultaneously, there wouldn't remain a single accuser," and "Those Jews are the pest of the east!"

"What happened to the young, pretty girls?" asked Felbert, when the subject turned to concentration camps. "Were they formed into a harem?"

"I didn't bother about that," Kittel answered. "I only found that they did become more reasonable. The women question is a very shady chapter. You've no idea what mean and stupid things are done."

In another conversation later that same day, Kittel told Schaefer about Auschwitz: "In Upper Silesia, they simply slaughtered the people systematically. They were gassed in a big hall. There's the greatest secrecy about all those things."

Later still, he said: "I'm going to hold my tongue about what I do know of these things." He little suspected that his every word was being recorded, transcribed and translated.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...xplode-myth-knew-Holocaust.html#ixzz1PiR9DaX1



Same old lies.
 
I may have missed something but where in NO-61 and NO-62 (the listings of looted items) is gold teeth mentioned? Or what is it camouflaged under?

And if there is no obvious entry for gold teeth, would that not provide powerful evidence against mass homicide in AR?

While we all mull that over, we should consider this shocking tale
FINGERS CRUSHED
Before a prisoner, guilty of some misdemeanor was killed, he would be led over to the large white wringer used by the camp laundry and made to place his fingers between the heavy rubber rollers. Then a Gestapo agent would turn the handle. The victim's arms would be mangled up to the shoulder. His agonizing screams afforded great entertainment to the Nazis looking on. Naturally, a man with mangled arms would be unable to work, so he would be destroyed.
 
So you saying it's lies is evidence? Bald assertion is closer.
Show that those recordings are faked and I'll listen.
You do know they were discovered by a German researcher don't you?

There are no recordings, only paper transcripts. However there is no need to think they are mainly or perhaps any of them are fake.

Take for instance Heinrich Kittel in the above excerpt. CSDIC stated of him: "Kittel is a professional soldier of exceptional intelligence, who in the course of his career has been connected with most major political happenings in Germany. He is strongly opposed to the nazi 'State within the State" and he detests the Police, SS, SD and administration camarilla which advanced in the wake of the Germany army."
We also learn from his army record that he was Commandant at Stalino, Rostov, Krivog-Rog, Uman, Tarnopol, Lvov and Cracow - sites where as many as half a million Jews are supposed to have snuffed it.

Yet the incident he refers to above is supposed to have been in Dvinsk, Latavia - where he had no command responsibilities
He also seems to have thought Hans Frank in Poland was a "right thinking person". And further, he seemed to think 8 out of 9 Jews were still alive:
"I told the American IO: 'Our first response to what you intend doing with Germany will be to massacre whatever Jews remain.' Eight hundred thousand out of the nine hundred thousand are still sure to be alive."

Quite.
 
On top of which he seems to have thought Amon Goeth's camp was not so bad:
"The camp authorities lived inside the camp which is a sign they left secure. Of course it was strongly guarded outside, it was even guarded by live wire, but on the whole you did not get the impression that the inmates were in such a bad way."

Quite
 
Take for instance Heinrich Kittel in the above excerpt. CSDIC stated of him: "Kittel is a professional soldier of exceptional intelligence, who in the course of his career has been connected with most major political happenings in Germany. He is strongly opposed to the nazi 'State within the State" and he detests the Police, SS, SD and administration camarilla which advanced in the wake of the Germany army."

Link?

We also learn from his army record that he was Commandant at Stalino, Rostov, Krivog-Rog, Uman, Tarnopol, Lvov and Cracow -

Link?
 
Below is "evidence" that the final solution was to be the killing of all Jewish people. How many times does Himmler have to say Judenevakuierung, meaning evacuation of the Jews?

I don't think I could have asked for better proof of the fact that you're not even aware of most of what you're denying.

Himmler says in that speech, "die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes" (i.e., the extermination of the Jewish people). He also uses the expression "Judevakuierung," but the first time he uses it, he immediately clarifies what he really means by then using "Ausrottung."

Then, he starts talking about how only a few bad apples in the SS were ruined as people by undertaking these actions. Then, he says, most of you knows what it means when you see a hundred bodies lying together, or five hundred, or a thousand.

I didn't even have to look the speech up to refresh my memory — that's how many times I've been over that speech. And you come in here and think you're going to stump the big bad old Jews with that one?

You're ridiculous.
 

Why are you unable to accept the idea that the German soldiers and SS sometimes killed children, including infants?

EVERY army does this in a war that crosses over into civilian populations. Every last one of them. What distinguishes one army from another, therefore, is whether such actions are encouraged or punished, and whether such behavior is the exception or the rule.

I want you to look at this image (Warning: Graphic):

http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/uploads/2007/071025_blog.uncovering.org_my-lai_5.jpg

American soldiers did that. Know how I know? Because I read books — they're sort of like big papery blogs.

Or will you now deny one of the best-known war crimes committed by the U.S. Army in American history?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom