Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[MG1962]

You enjoy making religious slurs don't you?

And you dont? - Hey is a free tip. Ya dont like what he said, report it

 

[beachnut]

Tell you what: I'm going to answer this one question, and then you're going to tell me what the guard to prisoner ratio was at Auschwitz, and then you're going to explain why safety would have been even a remote concern for the SS during gassing operations.

Yes, of course, the SS had guns. There was a war going on. Jesus H. Christ.

Does he know his hero Hilter's goal was to kill them all?

 

[John Albert]

Does he know his hero Hilter's goal was to kill them all?

Yeah, Nazism was kind of like Pokémon in that regard.

There was a specific reason they named their systematic identification, robbery, imprisonment, enslavement, and disposal of Jews the "Final Solution."

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yeah, Nazism was kind of like Pokémon in that regard.

There was a specific reason they named their systematic identification, robbery, imprisonment, enslavement, and disposal of Jews the "Final Solution."

Disposal was not extermination. People don't survive death camps. People don't survive multiple death camps.


Lies are contagious.

Wroclaw backpedals

Yes on speed and cost. A big no on safety. Perhaps you can explain why you think they would have been at all concerned with safety. What do you think the prisoner to SS ratio was at Auschwitz or Treblinka, and how close do you think the SS got to the actual gas chambers?

You should answer these questions so as not to appear intellectually feeble.

Yesterday 04:08 PM



Myself

So the unarmed camp's ran themselves 24/7 while the SS smoked their Cuban's.

Myself

So you have a death camp with inmates controlling thousands of victims daily. With or without guns?

Wroclaw

Tell you what: I'm going to answer this one question, and then you're going to tell me what the guard to prisoner ratio was at Auschwitz, and then you're going to explain why safety would have been even a remote concern for the SS during gassing operations.

Yes, of course, the SS had guns. There was a war going on.

Take notice. Wroclaw makes a diversion then as if by after thought answers my question. But wait he didn't answer my question.


My question was:

So you have a death camp with inmates controlling thousands of victims daily. With or without guns?

He answers

Yes, of course, the SS had guns.

Wroclaw has obvious intellect. He also has an agenda to keep Holocaust hate festering.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Wroclaw has obvious intellect. He also has an agenda to keep Holocaust hate festering.

You need to support at least one of your posts. So far you haven't done this. You are "our" best weapon against holocaust denial on this thread as you make foolish claims and then run away from supporting them.

Keep up the good work

 

[Wroclaw]

I apparently misunderstood Clayton's question. So if the question is unarmed inmates gassing other inmates, then the answer is that it wasn't inmates doing the gassing.

 

[Mondial]

I have A LOT. In fact part of what has convinced me to examine it is the way that so many people dump you into the "Holocaust Denier" category if you even ask a QUESTION about the stories.

For example, "Did they actually make lampshades out of human skin or was this an urban legend?"

Seems like a fairly legitimate question. People have gone bonkers over it and then you see all this outrageous anger attached to asking a question and it just seems weird.
(Case in point, I'm tip toeing on eggshells writing this because I know someone is going to assume I'm a Holocaust Denier Sympathizer just for writing this.)

The "human skin lampshade" is fake. Read this article on how Hollywood director Billy Wilder helped propagate this myth. www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/wilder/ Also the American general in charge of the US zone of occupation in Germany Lucius Clay had a "human skin lampshade" forensically analysed and it was goat hide.

 

[Mondial]

Let's take this. Sugar is not intended to kill. But using the diabetic situation, if I dump tons of sugar into the camp food, knowing that it is going to kill them, can I then say "Well it was just sugar? Did you know that? Sugar, harmless little sugar. Wow I put sugar their food. That's not a bad thing now is it?"

If I put a bunch of people in a room and dump in a pesticide to kill the lice, and the whole room drops dead. Then I do it again and again and again and each time claim, "I only was trying to kill the lice, it's not my fault they all died"

Can you see why someone would think you were full of ******

The "gas chambers" are a myth and outdated fake atrocity propaganda. The chemical, physical and scientific impossibility of mass gassings as described in holocaust literature www.cwporter.com/c1.htm www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html www.nazigassings.com/dieselgaschambera.html See also the Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole documentary about Auschwitz where the museum curator admits on camera that the "gas chamber" was built by the soviets after the war! www.holocaustdenialvideos.com

 

[Wroclaw]

The "gas chambers" are a myth and outdated fake atrocity propaganda. The chemical, physical and scientific impossibility of mass gassings as described in holocaust literature www.cwporter.com/c1.htm www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html www.nazigassings.com/dieselgaschambera.html See also the Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole documentary about Auschwitz where the museum curator admits on camera that the "gas chamber" was built by the soviets after the war! www.holocaustdenialvideos.com

Please demonstrate any instance at all where the Auschwitz curators told people that the gas chamber at Auschwitz I was not a reconstruction.

You can't do it.

After you admit you can't do that, we can begin discussing just how much evidence there actually is for gas chambers.

Your sources are badly outdated, by the way.

 

[TSR]

Also the American general in charge of the US zone of occupation in Germany Lucius Clay had a "human skin lampshade" forensically analysed and it was goat hide.

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Nope.

He refers to Frau Koch's trial, and incorrectly, as the source of that forensic test -- a trial in which he did not participate, at which she was not a defendant and during which it was noted that the items were of human skin.

Of course, at the same time he referred to her "death sentence," also wrong (she got life, and served 4 years).

OTOH, human skin artifacts are available via the National Archives.

Now, tell how, even if what you claim is true, how many of the 12 counts of which she was convicted over the course of two trials would need to be revisited? And if such evidence were to be faked, why *her*? Why not one of the more major players?
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[Mondial]

Please demonstrate any instance at all where the Auschwitz curators told people that the gas chamber at Auschwitz I was not a reconstruction.

You can't do it.

After you admit you can't do that, we can begin discussing just how much evidence there actually is for gas chambers.

Your sources are badly outdated, by the way.

The tour guide tells David Cole that the "gas chamber" is in it's original state. The Auschwitz museum curator Franciszek Piper tells David Cole that it was built after the war. So which one is telling the truth and which one is lying?
The sources are there for genuinely skeptical people to make up their own minds. If you think they are badly outdated that is only your opinion. In a dozen countries in Europe repeating in public what is in the links will get you jail time. The authorities in those countries including "democratic" Poland do not think this material is "outdated".

 

[Mondial]

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Nope.

He refers to Frau Koch's trial, and incorrectly, as the source of that forensic test -- a trial in which he did not participate, at which she was not a defendant and during which it was noted that the items were of human skin.

Of course, at the same time he referred to her "death sentence," also wrong (she got life, and served 4 years).

OTOH, human skin artifacts are available via the National Archives.

Now, tell how, even if what you claim is true, how many of the 12 counts of which she was convicted over the course of two trials would need to be revisited? And if such evidence were to be faked, why *her*? Why not one of the more major players?
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I was referring to Lucius Clay in the general scope of the human lampshade idea not meaning the mentioned article. But whether you like it or not Lucius Clay did say he thought the human lampshade was goat skin.

 

[Mondial]

Holocaust revisionists are not persecuting Jews - it is the other way round - Jews are persecuting holocaust revisionists. www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html In France Francois Duprat was assassinated and others in different countries such as Ernst Zundel, Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf http://germarrudolf.com etc have been violently assaulted. Arson was committed against the IHR ( Institute for Historical Review) www.ihr.org In countries that have a "holocaust denial" law www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html revisionists are imprisoned, heavily fined and are fired from their jobs. All of this happens because they have a dissenting opinion on a historical subject. I repeat - Jews persecute holocaust revisionists.

 

[Mondial]

The Nuremberg trials were a show trial and a rigged example of so called "justice" www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html Prominent judges and jurists of the day condemned them as being unfair including US Supreme Court Justice Harlan Fiske Stone who referred to Nuremberg as a "sanctimonious fraud" and a "lynching party". Defendants were tortured and suffered deprivation. www.cwporter.com/innocent.htm

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The tour guide tells David Cole that the "gas chamber" is in it's original state. The Auschwitz museum curator Franciszek Piper tells David Cole that it was built after the war. So which one is telling the truth and which one is lying?

David Cole ( who has recanted and is no longer a holocaust denier)
I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War II, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable...

Do you agree with David Cole?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

The Nuremberg trials were a show trial and a rigged example of so called "justice" .......www.cwporter.com/innocent.htm

From the CWporter website"To this day, the origin of the soap making rumour has not been traced"
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They actually state in the IMT trials the location of the Danzig Anatomical Institute where the human soap was made. CWPorter is an idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_m...nzig_Anatomical_Institute_during_World_War_II

 

[Clayton Moore]

David Cole ( who has recanted and is no longer a holocaust denier)
I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War II, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable...

Under threat of death.

 

[little grey rabbit]

From the CWporter website"To this day, the origin of the soap making rumour has not been traced"
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They actually state in the IMT trials the location of the Danzig Anatomical Institute where the human soap was made. CWPorter is an idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_m...nzig_Anatomical_Institute_during_World_War_II

Matthew Ellard commits the common but incorrect claim that the Soap lie was originally falsified at Danzig.

In fact it had existed long time prior to that. For example Rabbi Wise in 1942 and the Jewish journalist David Bergelson in January 1943 wrote

'in place of a label....was pasted an inscription in neat Gothic letters "Jewish soap"'

Helmut's memory is exceptionally poor. He remembers only those things that were personally useful or painful to him. Instinctively, like a dog, he can visualize only those places where he pigged out, got drunk, and raped, and also those places where he slaughtered many people.... But, for example, it is very difficult to remember the name of the place in Poland from which he brought his 'piece of Jewish soap'....Helmut is asked where he got his soap. Helmut answers coldly. 'Over there.' 'From a soap factory?' 'Of course.' One really wants Helmut to talk more precisely about the process that takes place there in the 'factory' where bodies of dead Jews are brought and converted into soap. But Helmut has little knowledge of these processes. They hold no interest for him. He is simply interested in getting his hands on one of the first pieces of that Jewish soap, so he can send it, as a curiosity, to his Ilse for her birthday and, as he would admit to himself, give her pleasure"

In otherwords it is a well established fact that prominent people with certain peculiar affiliations were lying about Jewish soap along time before the Red Army was anywhere near Danzig.

 

[little grey rabbit]

I apparently misunderstood Clayton's question. So if the question is unarmed inmates gassing other inmates, then the answer is that it wasn't inmates doing the gassing.

So who was doing the gassing at Auschwitz. Do you have a list of names?

I mean of people who actually worked in the Krematoria, not people who did selection duty on the ramp.

Otto Moll

But there must be more. Can we make a list?

 

[TSR]

I was referring to Lucius Clay in the general scope of the human lampshade idea not meaning the mentioned article. But whether you like it or not Lucius Clay did say he thought the human lampshade was goat skin.

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And he based this thought on ... ?

Doesn't it concern you that he made other mistakes on this matter?

And even if your claim of falsity is true, how many of the 12 counts of which she was convicted over the course of two trials would need to be revisited? And if such evidence were to be faked, why *her*? Why not one of the more major players?
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