Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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unclep2k said:
actually I'm hoping the replication issue, which I believe is material science in nature, may be solved. Last weekend Brian Ahrens was supposed to present information at MIT on an lenr experiment that is low output but easy to replicate. I haven't heard if it happened or not yet.
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That will be cool.
 
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nathan No I'm not going to site specific papers, but I think there is a lot of research supporting lenr reactions. Even the US government is starting to acknowledge that.
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Waving your arms is not an argument, that is so vague as to be beyond debate. :)

If you can't cite papers then all you have is nothing to talk about. There is a lot of research, there is no support for LENR.
 
unclep2k said:
Nathan We are talking over 20 years. Things are starting to loosen up a bit. You never heard of agencies of the government talking pro lenr until recently. So you can have it both ways over time.
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Are you complaining that until recently lenr lacked evidence, without which it was difficult to get funding?[*] Why do you think it should be any different?

[*] ignoring all the funding McFate pointed out.
 
nathan There is always a chance any budget isn't going to be enough to get a final product. Like when my wife decides to remodel the house.
 
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I think it means the October release is still on. When talking about his inability to and concerns regarding being able to patent the device/process internationally, he's spoken specifically of the planned small home units. The large industrial units like the Greek 1 MW installation do not appear to be motivating this concern (I suppose since they can be more easily controlled and prevented from being taken apart and examined). But I could be wrong.
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But the home units are the sexy stuff! Who cares how they boil water in an engineering works in Greece?

Do I detect a sort of "mission creep" in the Rossi enterprise?

See http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece

- When would the first products reach the American market?
Cassarino: We’re hoping to get something here hopefully by late fall or beginning of next year (2012) as our first product to demonstrate. We’re not going down the same path as the Greeks (Defkalion Green Technologies) to develop home heating; we’re not really looking at that as a low hanging fruit.
- What would be your first kind of product?
Cassarino: I think this one megawatt (like the one planned in Greece – editor’s note) for heating and for power generation is probably the first, whether it’s off grid or mobile. ( ... )
- Could you see other applications than heating or power in the future?
Cassarino: Oh yeah, one of the companies we’re talking with sees this actually as a high density fuel. You can use your imagination on the extremes of all that – space travel, or to having the trucks deliver fuel to the front lines in battle fields. I think the applications are unlimited, and even not thought about yet.
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If Rossi is so concerned about the secrecy of the device, can we really expect them to be mass marketed as "off grid or mobile" units in the United States by fall this year or early 2012?

And having them zooming about in space or carrying fuel to the front line of battle is to risk them falling into the hands of the Taliban - or into the tentacles of bug-eyed monsters from the planet Zorg. God knows which would be worse!
 
Aepervius said:
The point cuddle was making (i think) is that you cannot avoid FULLY disclosing everything in a patent, failure to do so make it invalid/useless to protect your invention.
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Not true. There are ways around making a full disclosure yet still making the patent valid.
 
unclep2k said:
I am actually a bit of a skeptic myself, and I'm not 100 percent sure lenr research is going to lead to commercial devlopment. I'm just 100 percent sure that the potential is great enough and past research is tantalyzing enough for a hard look.
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After you give it a hard look, and nothing turns up, what then? Do you give another hard look, because it's still tantalizing? And after that second hard look, it's still tantalizing, because it would sure be nice if it were true. Is a third hard look justified? A fourth, fifth and sixth?

With a very few word substitutions, yours could be a statement from a psi believer, or a Bigfoor believer, or a UFO believer, or virtually any conspiracy theorist.
 
attaboy said:
Sounds like calling a spade a spade is just too much for you.
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If you walk down the street and meet a hobo who gives you the correct solution to some mathematical problem, does the fact that this guy is a homeless child molester with AIDS change anything about the validity of his equation ?
 
Mashuna said:
That you'd believe a random unlikely claim without evidence is not really a surprise, given your stance in the thread so far.
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That's not fair nor correct. You should already realize that I too have some degree of skepticism about e cat.
 
My God... they are discussing about Ross-Focardi experiment till today !!!!

330 E-Cats are working in Greece just now, and they are discussing the sex of the angels in here
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