Moonbat alert: Chomksy condemns Bin Laden kill.

Alert me when Chomsky does something like this.
That wasn't the point at all, the point is, how can you use an analogy about giving unwanted advice when these people merely write books, publish their work and speak where people invite/pay them to?
I'm SO tempted to quote from the drunken rants you sent me two days ago but I will resist because unlike some other people (tach Oystein) I respect the "private" part of private messages.
No you don't you just used something from it to try and embarrass me. You didn't sound like you appreciated me writing so I joked that the booze made me do it ;) Yeah I'm quite the irrational polemicist around here clearly :rolleyes:
Just give it up, it's laughable.
What do you think of the porn video?
 
Like much of what Chomsky wrote, this is false. I'm reasonably well educated and spent 13 years on the faculty of FSU.

I first became interested in Chomsky for linguistics. He made some notable contributions, such as the Chomsky taxonomy of grammars and early work on generative grammars (without semantics). However, his transformational grammar, while fun to play with, is pretty much useless. He also had this fixation about language being uniquely human and innate.

So far, this is fine. People come up with good ideas and bad ideas. However, he worked so hard at creating a cult of Chomsky and going around being aggressive to people and using his status to put down other, more promising approaches like HPSG and deep case grammars.

He does the same thing with politics, and he lies not only about factual matters and what other people wrote but about things that he himself said and wrote. He uses his linguistic skills to weasel, but even clear statements he made he lies about later. Occasionally, he's right, but what he writes is usually ignorant, and he also has a penchant for fixating on minor sources that he happens to disagree with.

Even the most famous book that he only co-wrote, Manufacturing Consent, almost completely ignores the vast amount of work in media studies.

If anything, the "ignorant kids" comment applies more to his acolytes. He gives the impression of letting the reader on a great secret, oversimplified to produce a "ding-dong" effect. He does for the left what Ayn Rand did for the right. Rand was a wingnut. Chomsky is a moonbat.

I would definitely agree with you.

Most people would not consider Chomsky a historian and/or someone who accurately presents historical facts for the same reason that most people would not consider Glen Beck a historian and/or someone who accurately presents historical facts.

Both distort facts to support a political agenda that does not match the real world, but which appeals to a small market of people who create a demand for that type of dishonesty.
 
Most people on this forum know that people who invoke most people's opinion are not engaging in honest debate, especially if they don't even present evidence for most people holding the opinion they invoke.
 
Most people on this forum know that people who invoke most people's opinion are not engaging in honest debate, especially if they don't even present evidence for most people holding the opinion they invoke.

Well that is a somewhat ironic statement.

Still, while I would agree in the opinion that most people on JREF would consider someone who invokes the use of "most" without substantiation to not be presenting a valid argument, that is just an opinion.

In contrast to my statement however, the use of "most" was factually accurate. This is because there is a definable market niche that supports and demands the type of reinvisionist propaganda that Chomsky and Beck provide. While this is a successful niche market, it represents a much smaller percent of the market in comparison to most of the market which demands more reliable and honest sources for their information.

Both Beck and Chomsky provide a service of dishonestly distorting facts and historical events to allow the markets they serve to utilize the false scapegoats that their narratives provide. The demand for the products and services that Beck provides is larger than the demand for the products and services that Chomsky provides, as Chomsky would never be able to have a rally of the size the Beck put together.

However, I would argue that this reflects more favorably on the left in this case as it shows a larger demand for honest and serious debate of the problems that we face. This is also supported by the comparison of the number of people on the right who supported the "birther" CT vs. the number of people on the left who supported the "truther" CT.
 
You still fail to substantiate your "argument" about most people's considerations about Chomsky and/or Beck. And I tell you what, in danger of loosing my own argument: Most people would consider someone who mentions Beck and Chomsky in the same breath to be an unskilled propagandist.
 
You still fail to substantiate your "argument" about most people's considerations about Chomsky and/or Beck. And I tell you what, in danger of loosing my own argument: Most people would consider someone who mentions Beck and Chomsky in the same breath to be an unskilled propagandist.

Chomsky and Beck are both Propagandists! That's what they are paid to do.

People express their support for them and their 'views' by buying their stuff.
 
You still fail to substantiate your "argument" about most people's considerations about Chomsky and/or Beck. And I tell you what, in danger of loosing my own argument: Most people would consider someone who mentions Beck and Chomsky in the same breath to be an unskilled propagandist.

Oh dear. Did someone gore your sacred cow?
 
Most people on this forum know that people who invoke most people's opinion are not engaging in honest debate, especially if they don't even present evidence for most people holding the opinion they invoke.
An opinion is not an argument. An observation is not an ad hominem. I encounter this confusion quite often.

For instance elsewhere on the forum when discussing why John Michael Greer gets the world so horribly wrong, his love of woo, tarot, UFOs, prophecy etc. came up. I was accused of an ad hominem. Really we'd already shown that he was wrong, and had moved on to speculating as to why he thinks this way.

The only standby is Newton and his mysticism which does not disprove his equations. Discussing these obsessions and the impact they had on his career is not an ad homiem against his theories, merely helpful discourse.
 
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Chomsky and Beck are both Propagandists! That's what they are paid to do.

People express their support for them and their 'views' by buying their stuff.


What a load of rubbish, rubbish that fails to address Childlike Empress's point.

Is making money really the only motivator that you recognize, Mr Being-left-wing-is-all-about-empathy, or are you simply indulging in more crude, propagandistic smearing?
 
Is making money really the only motivator that you recognize
It seems to be the thing Chomsky is obsessed with. He can't understand that people like to look at each other naked and there's nothing wrong with that because commerce is involved, it's retarded.
 
What a load of rubbish, rubbish that fails to address Childlike Empress's point.

Is making money really the only motivator that you recognize, Mr Being-left-wing-is-all-about-empathy, or are you simply indulging in more crude, propagandistic smearing?

They are both propagandists, not historians, and it is a fact that support for their type of views and propaganda can be measured in the levels of economic activity that both men are able to establish. The levles of that economic activity in comparison to the larger demand of sources that are more reliable and honest than Chomsky and Beck directly addresses Childlike's statement of the use of "most."

You can dismiss it as "rubbish or propaganda or crude," but that does nothing to invalidate the accuracy of my statements. The fact that you would retreat to these tactics instead of being able to counter with valid statements of your own shows a tactic of desperation because you do not have a valid argument to counter with.

It also shows that you are so heavily emotionally invested in Chomsky's fake blame based understanding system, that you are not able to rationally consider or question Chomsky's tactics or the honesty of his statements.


Of course Chomsky is influenced by the money he makes off of his dishonest reinvisionism. He also enjoys his cult celebrity status as someone who gives his followers fake scapegoats so they don't have to actually think about the problems we are facing. They pay him and worship him for that, and in return Chomsky produces more dishonest narratives that allow them to continue their false blame-based understanding system.

His followers demand the drug of Chomsky, and Chomsky is all too happy to oblige. Allowing his followers to shut off their minds and bask in the ignorance of a blanket anti-Western blame-based understanding system that does nothing to actually address or solve our problems, but definitely makes them feel good.
 
Yes, Shakespeare is on my reading list, but his is an area that generally can't be outdone or improved upon, it's literature and stories. Philosophy and science have been improved upon, it's the "it's good because it's ancient" fallacy that's worrisome. Aristotle is worthy, but the average evolutionary biologist is probably a lot brighter on science and philosophy than he was, overall, we've evolved. I'm not beyond reading from them, just why should I when I have to wade through so many debunked notions in the process to get to the goods? There are contemporary sources...

There are at least two kinds of fool, one says "This is old therefore it's good." (a Joey McGee strawman given that absolutely no one he has responded to has said, "it's good because it's ancient") and another says, "This is new therefore it is better" which is exactly what is implied by Joey McGee's "average evolutionary biologist".

I wonder whether the average evolutionary biologist would concur with Joey McGee that they are a lot brighter than Aristotle. They'd probably be embarassed by the question but I know for a fact that no evolutionary biologist would argue that they've become brighter than Aristotle because "we've evolved". Such an assumption would be considered very dim indeed. Not at all bright.
 
this is a real stretch.
please show us evidence for the 'fact' that chomsky is 'obsessed with money'.
I gave my opinion that the reason Chomsky ********** up the issue of porn is he injected the need of "money for survival" issue into it which was stupid, which is why I had to pause and rewind that video thrice from laughing so hard.
 
There are at least two kinds of fool, one says "This is old therefore it's good." (a Joey McGee strawman given that absolutely no one he has responded to has said, "it's good because it's ancient")
give me a break dawg I'm using it as an example...
and another says, "This is new therefore it is better" which is exactly what is implied by Joey McGee's "average evolutionary biologist".
I'm just saying that the debunked notions that Aristotle held have been debunked and the average evo biologist knows this stuff. Think about the fact that the group of scientists that are most likely to be atheists are biologists and you may agree with this angle. Aristotle owns me on a lot of stuff, I'm making a point.

I wonder whether the average evolutionary biologist would concur with Joey McGee that they are a lot brighter than Aristotle.
You are making yet another straw man from my posts. I didn't say they were more astute, I meant they benefit from standing on the shoulders of giants.

Next time before you try to hack apart one of my posts respond to my previous skewing of your previous attempts on other issues. (and those occurred right in this thread re: your bizarre interpretations of my thoughts on torture and the raid)
 
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They are both propagandists, not historians, and it is a fact that support for their type of views and propaganda can be measured in the levels of economic activity that both men are able to establish. The levles of that economic activity in comparison to the larger demand of sources that are more reliable and honest than Chomsky and Beck directly addresses Childlike's statement of the use of "most."

You can dismiss it as "rubbish or propaganda or crude," but that does nothing to invalidate the accuracy of my statements. The fact that you would retreat to these tactics instead of being able to counter with valid statements of your own shows a tactic of desperation because you do not have a valid argument to counter with.

It also shows that you are so heavily emotionally invested in Chomsky's fake blame based understanding system, that you are not able to rationally consider or question Chomsky's tactics or the honesty of his statements.


Of course Chomsky is influenced by the money he makes off of his dishonest reinvisionism. He also enjoys his cult celebrity status as someone who gives his followers fake scapegoats so they don't have to actually think about the problems we are facing. They pay him and worship him for that, and in return Chomsky produces more dishonest narratives that allow them to continue their false blame-based understanding system.

His followers demand the drug of Chomsky, and Chomsky is all too happy to oblige. Allowing his followers to shut off their minds and bask in the ignorance of a blanket anti-Western blame-based understanding system that does nothing to actually address or solve our problems, but definitely makes them feel good.

Nice fantasies about Chomsky's psyche and, as a bonus, about mine too! And that's all they are, HoverBoarder, vacuous assertions, psychobabble, and unsupported generalizations.

In your next post, please substantiate your empty rhetoric with concrete illustrations.
 
You are making yet another straw man from my posts. I didn't say they were more astute, I meant they benefit from standing on the shoulders of giants.

You said they were "brighter". I asked you if they would say they were brighter as per your contention and then you said I am setting up a strawman.

Next time before you try to hack apart one of my posts respond to my previous skewing of your previous attempts on other issues.

"Skewing" means "distorting". It is very true that you do distort people's posts to make them easier to attack. This is actually what a strawman is. You'll probably complain that I am responding to what you wrote rather than what you meant but unfortunately what you appear to mean is so whacko that it is more charitable to assume you mean nothing at all.

(and those occurred right in this thread re: your bizarre interpretations of my thoughts on torture and the raid)

Again, I can only go by what you write. If you feel that people interpret what you say bizarrely then why don't you try writing more clearly.
 

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