Aw, c'mon! Couldn't they drag this out a little longer? I was hoping for a small scale Birther fiasco.

When are supposed thinking conservatives going to learn the very simple truism: If you see anything in the way of a scandal or scoop that has been within four miles of Andrew Breitbart, ... Run Like Hell.

The problem with believing Breitbart is that his credibility is based on having no credibility. Seriously. He claims to have been duped so often that he's either the stupidest person in the world or the worst journalist in history. Ergo, in order to believe his next basket of lies, you have to accept his stupidity, and why would you believe anything from anyone quite this stupid.

It's amazing that some people don't mind pretending they are stupid if it allows them to spread lies long enough to do serious political damage before they are caught out in their lies.

GB
 
Nope. According to this screen cap taken from Tweet Congress, the Tivo complaint came five minutes after the inappropriate Tweet.

What a surprise that you would use self serving "evidence" from Breitbart's OWN WEBSITE as evidence that Breitbart is not a liar.

Thanks for demonstrating (once again) your lack of credibility. :)

GB
 
Yes! I'm SHOCKED :jaw-dropp shocked I tell you!!

I'm so sorry that I used a list from a site maintained by a school of higher education. :rolleyes: I promise not to use any more sources from a site maintained by a college or university, because they are clearly biased in favour of reality :p (by the way, I have my fingers crossed behind my back).

Yes, clearly you've debunked this post (not really):




GB

Evergreen is an alternate college. Secondly, you linked to a individuals webpage. Thirdly, argument to authority noted.
 
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Thank god someone is protecting the children.
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Yes, that is a good thing which Tommy Christopher has done in this matter. You may be sarcastic in saying that; I'm not.

In recent years various partisans -- primarily but not exclusively on the right -- have begun posting the names and addresses of people they disagree with and encouraging others to harass them. This is shameful behavior regardless of whom is targeted -- but it is especially despicable when children are the targets.

One of these two girls had already been harassed by Stack, Wolfe, and a group of "concerned mothers" who were working with Stack and Wolfe in their efforts to take down Weiner. She should not be subjected to further harassment from people whose hatred for Weiner blinds them to common decency. I encourage you to read the details of these folks' inappropriate conduct, which can be found in Tommy Christophers' article.

If you're not able to spend the time to read the entire article, at least read the statements from both of the girls, and the lengthy statement from one of the girls' mother, which can be found on page 5 of the article.
 
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It's kind of sad that some people refuse to consider obvious behavioral evidence that's staring them in the face.


Yes, that's what the 9/11 folks keep telling us. They can find all kinds of instances in which public officials misspoke, spoke evasively, behaved oddly. Which they feel, the same way you do, shows there must be something the folks they dislike are hiding.

The problem with using the flimsy kind of behavioral evidence that that you and the 9/11 folks find so convincing is that you can always find something odd, something suspicious, if you look hard enough for it. So even though you haven't been able to demonstrate any significant untruth that Weiner has told, the fact he appears evasive on tangential points is enough for you to conclude he must be lying and must be guilty of something.

In contrast, we have much more significant evasions, contradictions, and untruths coming from Wolfe and Stack. Their stories just don't add up. And now their stories, Breitbart's stories, and Dana Loesch's stories are all starting to contradict each other. If you find behavioral evidence so convincing, why are you so studiously avoiding looking at the glaring evasions and inconsistencies coming from these folks?
 
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Evergreen is an alternate college. Secondly, you linked to a individuals webpage. Thirdly, argument to authority noted.

Yes! And no doubt, to you, UC Berkeley and UCSC are bastions of Communism too. LeftySergeant appears to have noticed this also.

You're not from Washington, are you?

I am personally quite happy with anything that Evergreen might present to the public, but its reputation is not all that good among Republicons and other less intellectual persons. It is seen as one of the last outposts of the 1960s hippies.

(Which is ironic,since it was founded by a moderate Republican, back before those went extinct.)

As to your second point (of Sophistry):

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

ZOLTÁN GROSSMAN

Faculty member in Geography and Native American Studies, The Evergreen State College

Lab 1, Room 3012, 2700 Evergreen Pkwy. NW,

Olympia, WA 98505 USA

grossmaz@evergreen.edu

Tel. (360) 867-6153


Faculty home page

Writings

Presentations

Maps

Community service

Favorite stuff

Yes! It is the page of an individual! An Individual who happens to be a member of the faculty, with a home page that has 2 direct links to the College's Home Page:



The Evergreen
State College

Lab 1, Room 3012,
2700 Evergreen Pkwy., Olympia WA 98505

Nice try anyway. :)

As to your third (fallacious) point:

My use of the list of US Military Interventions is not an appeal to Authority (which is generally agreed to be a fallacy). It is a Factual list of Historical Facts.

I felt that you deserved a public response. But that's all of this little diversion from the topic I am willing to participate in. Either start a new thread or PM me.

GB
 
I posted a link earlier to Joseph Cannon's post. Here is Cannon's list of some key facts which are now reasonably well-established:

1. At the time of the upload, there was -- incontestably -- a conspiracy to besmirch Congressman Weiner...

2. The political operatives involved in this conspiracy .... harassed and stalked underaged girls and attempted to get them to make false accusations.

3. The members of this conspiracy had noteworthy computer skills...

4. The conspirators were also willing to adopt fake personas and to tell false stories in order to get the information they sought.

5. Conspirator Dan Wolfe "happened" upon the crotch shot immediately. He drew attention to it via various tweets -- tweets which hardly read like he had accidentally stumbled across the thing.

6. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied about the 640x480 version of the picture...

7. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied when he said that he found the 800x600 version of the image in his browser cache. The image bears a date stamp of May 30. There is no innocent explanation for this -- at least, none that I can conceive of...

8. The format of the Yfrog page indicates that an outsider uploaded the offending photo.

9. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied when he said that he has nothing to hide and that he welcomes an investigation. He has, in fact, gone into hiding. He won't reveal his real name. (It may not be Dan Wolfe.) He won't communicate. He deleted his Twitter account...

10. Judging from this tweet, Breitbart himself now believes or suspects that Dan Wolfe is responsible.

11. Dan had predicted the sex scandal with the jackass confidence of one who intended to make his prophecy come true. He later said that he had heard a rumor that a scandal was in the offing, but that he did not know that Weiner was involved. Once again, Dan Wolfe lied. On May 12, he wrote that "top5 RightWing blogger has sexscandal pics" of Weiner.

12. Dan's use of the word "has" indicates the present, not the future. If the photo existed on May 12 -- as Dan's statement strongly implies -- then the fraudulence of his account of May 27 becomes incontestable.
 

And that is even more disturbing.

And Cannon brings up the point that it is hugely out of proportion and not even erect.

And it just dawned on me why there seemd to be something disturbing abot it.

I cannot even determine where its attachment point would be. Is this cropped an awful lot? Seems to me, with that huge member, we should also see some sign of similarly-proportioned testicles.

Where's the balls?

I am begining to suspect that it is actually Dan Wolfe with a novelty vibrator cover in his shorts. That would explain the lack of testicles.
 
I posted a link earlier to Joseph Cannon's post. Here is Cannon's list of some key facts which are now reasonably well-established:

Unfortunately, now that you've posted Cannon's use of the word Conspiracy (apparently Moonbat by definition), the vast majority of JREF members will dismiss the evidence out of hand; and even those that otherwise agree with you will slowly start backing away from you. ;)


GB
 
Weiner cancels scheduled speaking engagement in Wisconsin to "spend time with his wife."

New York Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, who found himself at the center of a media firestorm this week after a lewd photo appeared on his Twitter stream, has canceled a Friday evening appearance in Wisconsin in order to spend time with his wife.

Weiner had been slated to speak at the Wisconsin Democratic Party’s annual convention Friday at the Hyatt Regency Milwaukee. But he told state party officials that he would not attend the convention and would instead spend the weekend in New York with his wife, Huma Abedin, Wisconsin Democratic Party Communications Director Graeme Zielinski confirmed Friday afternoon.

I could speculate as to why he needs to spend time with his wife. But that would be speculation, something that only conspiracy theorists do.
 
Weiner cancels scheduled speaking engagement in Wisconsin to "spend time with his wife."



I could speculate as to why he needs to spend time with his wife. But that would be speculation, something that only conspiracy theorists do.

Step 1: Start fake scandal.
Step 2: Hype fake scandal regardless of how target reacts.
Step 3: Criticize target for dealing with fallout from the hysteria and reckless allegations.

Yep, that's a solid douchebag attack on Weiner. You ******** have done it again. In less than 2 years you have ACORN, Planned Parenthood, Shirley Sherrod, Van Jones and others I'm doubtless forgetting. Look at how hard they're trying to do this to Elizabeth Warren, and, of course, this **** is constantly aimed at Obama. He's done impressively well in weathering it so far, but just wait. Issa is concocting some nonsense right now to take down "the most corrupt administration in history."

Have you no dignity?
 
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What a perverted world view and sense of justice it must take to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent.
Anytime someone is arrested, cited, indicted, they are assumed by the authorities of being guilty. How perverse of them!

He is not obligated to satisfy the curiousity of anyone dim enough to believe that the sludge monster has anything incriminating against him.

He has better things to do, and we need him to attend to far more important things than attend to the methane emmissions of some neurotic little punk who is taking it out on the world because his danglies are still hung up in his inguinal canals.
He doesn't have to do anything to put this behind him except report it to the authorities. That would have saved him hours questions from reporters, with the simple answer, "I reported it to the police. Check with them to see what they found." Is innocence would have been proven in the 15 minutes it would have taken to identify the IP address. That's of course if he was innocent.

More evidence that his tale is unraveling: According to TweetCongress.org the picture was transmitted using TweetDeck — a popular Adobe desktop application that links up with social networking sites.

Chet Wisniewski, a senior security adviser at security software company SophosLabs, said the TweetDeck stamp “does make it more plausible that it did come from him.”

This information doesn’t rule out the possibility that his Twitter account was infiltrated. But experts say it adds another hurdle for his alibi.

“The complexity goes up,” said Chris McCroskey, the Texas software developer who founded TweetCongress.org.

“Here’s the thing that solves it all,” said McCroskey, “for him to call for a criminal investigation. All they have to do is look at his TweetDeck and see if it came from there, see what IP address [it had]. The local police department or Capitol Police could probably figure this out in 15 minutes.”

Robert Stribley, a senior information architect at Razorfish reasoned that if Weiner used the TweetDeck app, “it would probably make it less likely his account was hacked.”

Matthew Green, chief technology officer at Independent Security Evaluators, said that if the offensive tweet had been transmitted through something other than TweetDeck that night, it might have gone a long way to exonerate Weiner.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/
 
Step 1: Start fake scandal.
Step 2: Hype fake scandal regardless of how target reacts.
Step 3: Criticize target for dealing with fallout from the hysteria and reckless allegations.

Yep, that's a solid douchebag attack on Weiner. You ******** have done it again.

Weiner did this all to himself.

In less than 2 years you have ACORN, Planned Parenthood, Shirley Sherrod, Van Jones

As did Van Jones.

and others I'm doubtless forgetting. Look at how hard they're trying to do this to Elizabeth Warren, and, of course, this **** is constantly aimed at Obama. He's done impressively well in weathering it so far, but just wait. Issa is concocting some nonsense right now to take down "the most corrupt administration in history."

Have you no dignity?

Spare us your faux moral outrage. Ask the guy sending lewd pics of his crotch to girls young enough to be his daughter if he has any dignity.
 
Cannon does not have the technical savvy to comprehend Goodings arguments...


Yes, Cannon lacks technical savvy in computer stuff. That's why he enlisted the aid of folks who do have that kind of technical savvy to help him.

A number of tech-savvy people tested out Cannon's idea and found that it was indeed possible for someone other than a yFrog account owner to upload images and generate tweets from the account. And the interesting thing was that there are anomalies in the screen captures Daniel Wolfe was sending people which had raised some questions about whether the screen captures were genuine -- and it turns out the tweets sent out when someone uses the yFrog exploit Cannon discovered have the exact same anomalies.

We have a number of tech-savvy people confirming Cannon's idea works. (Or did work until yFrog, soon after Cannon discovered and began publicizing the existence of the exploit, disabled that feature.) We have a number of tech-savvy people demonstrating it works -- and demonstrating that the results look just like the tweets that Wolfe has been peddling to folks.

In contrast, we have Gooding -- who claims to have refuted Cannon. We have Gooding's word that he's some super-savvy computer whiz. But his word doesn't seem especially good. His track record, as documented by Cannon, looks rather poor.

So let's try to straighten this out. Here, by way of Rachel Maddow, is the gist of what Cannon is saying.

Rachel Maddow said:
The theory is that Congressman Weiner's account was spoofed through yfrog's mobile e-mail upload system. You've probably seen this feature on other services as well, it's not uncommon, but in case you're not familiar, the idea is that you can send an e-mail to your online account and it'll automatically turn that e-mail's subject line into a tweet. And if you have an image attached to the mail, it'll upload the image for you and add the link to the tweet as well.

Anyone who knows your secret e-mail address can send messages through your account this way. So the theory goes that someone figured out the congressman's secret address and essentially impersonated him, sending the now-infamous photo of dubious work safety to that poor gal near Seattle.


That's simple and clear, I think.

Now: can you give me a similarly simple, clear summary of what Gooding says is wrong with Cannon's theory? I'm not interested in angry rhetoric. I'm not interested in petty nit-picking or tangential criticisms (the equivalent of criticizing someone's spelling or grammar here). I'm interested in whether there's anything substantively wrong with what Cannon said could be done.

Because a number of people who genuinely are qualified to speak on the matter are indicating there isn't -- that it could have been done exactly as Cannon indicates, and that if it had been done that way the results would exactly match the screen-captures we saw.

Gooding may make a rhetorical case that what Cannon maintains could have been done actually can't. But Cannon set up a yFrog account and a number of tech-savvy folks, testing the idea out emperically, did it. In my book, empirical evidence trumps rhetoric. Especially rhetoric from someone such as Gooding, whose main record in the past seems to be one of being consistently partisan and consistently wrong.
 
Spare us your faux moral outrage. Ask the guy sending lewd pics of his crotch to girls young enough to be his daughter if he has any dignity.


Unfortunately Dan Wolfe has gone into hiding and isn't available for us to ask him about his dignity or lack thereof. Mike Stack also doesn't seem to be willing to reply to questions.

But, in the case of Stack, I don't think we really need to ask him the question to know the answer. His self-description of himself as a pervert, his job moderating a porn site, and his documented behavior of the past few years answers the quesion fairly well.
 
Weiner did this all to himself.



As did Van Jones.

Nonsense. Pure right wing faux-hysteria. Subtract Breitbart from this story and you have...nothing.

Although it is amusing that you tacitly acknowledge the ******** in the other cases.


Spare us your faux moral outrage. Ask the guy sending lewd pics of his crotch to girls young enough to be his daughter if he has any dignity.

There's no "moral" outrage, whatever that means. Quite the opposite: I'm sick of people pretending these non-stories are the MOST IMPORTANT moral events in our society WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?!?

Let's assume Weiner actually did what you accuse him of doing (which is far from being proven), the recipient of the photo doesn't care, why do you?

We aren't puritans. Older guys can carry on affairs with younger women. Older women can carry on affairs with younger guys. So what?

This is purely an issue between Weiner and his family, assuming he sent the photo. You're just sniffing around his jock. This is a common right wing habit.
 
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