Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Tomblvd said:
Even if the CDC lies, why does every other developed country require infant immunizatons?

Are they all lying?
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Do Mandatory Vaccinations Achieve Higher Rates of Immunization?
October 27, 2009

An especially compelling presentation compared how Japan and the United States handle vaccinations. For example, Japan completes vaccinations for infants over an extended period of time (as opposed to the tight “schedule” implemented in the United States) and does not vaccinate infants under 3 months of age. Since 1994, Japan has utilized a “voluntary vaccination” plan and found it to be highly effective. In short, mandatory vaccinations don’t always mean higher rates of true immunization. The Japanese government has pulled certain vaccines from the schedule when these were deemed unnecessary or not completely safe. As a result, the Japanese have a high degree of trust in their vaccine schedule.

The conference also addressed the problem of studies that fail to compare a tested vaccine with a true placebo control-group. Often, the placebo contains mercury or some other toxic substance. Sometimes another vaccine is used in the control group in lieu of a true placebo.
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http://www.anh-usa.org/do-mandatory-vaccinations-achieve-higher-rates-of-immunization/
 
excaza said:
So you're asserting that the government mandated a medication without a provision exempting those who are allergic to it? Care to back this up with some of your precious facts, or are we just going to float on your assertions?
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You are reversing the argument. I asked you for proof and you turn it around to ask me. Why don't we forget this two step dance and agree to disagree. My initial gripe was the mandated vaccine. Emphasis on mandated. This does not bother you and it bothers me. You enjoy being told what to do, I prefer to make my own decision. Ironically, just yesterday I received tetanus and pneumonia shots... as preventive measures.


excaza said:
Ah yes, the forum mafia conspiracy. If the post bothers you, report it. Doesn't bother me one bit. Personally, I wish your hissy fit had been preserved, but oh well.
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Grow up and who is talking about a conspiracy? Your name calling was so grown up the forum decided it was too advanced for posting...
 
fullflavormenthol said:
Ladmo if you look back, nimrod was removed from the comment; you can go check if you would like. Nevertheless I would imagine that is something to take up with forum management and not air out here.
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Notated and acknowledged the correction. thx
 
Vaccines are far from always safe.

Adverse Reactions


Vaccines are not completely harmless, and many have a significant morbidity and mortality associated with them. Postvaccinial encephalitis is a known hazard of smallpox vaccine, for example. A recently-introduced vaccine against human papilloma virus, the causative agent of cancer of the uterine cervix, has now been linked to a number of sudden deaths reported within days of its administration.[27]

Bulging or swollen fontanelles have been linked with many vaccines commonly given to infants, such as the diptheria-tetanus (DPT) vaccine. Many families, out of concern for their child's health, have sought legal justice for the potential health damage.[28]
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Common Misconceptions Surrounding Vaccines


Many people assume that official vaccine recommendations are based on recommendations of independent panels of experts after reviewing risk-benefit and cost-benefit analyses. They are not. The government panels are dominated by vaccine industry representatives and they have no consumer representatives. The meetings are not open to the public. They do not usually do much analysis, and tend to recommend whatever vaccines are available.
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http://conservapedia.com/Vaccine#Published_Adverse_Reaction_Rates
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://conservapedia.com/Vaccine#Published_Adverse_Reaction_Rates
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:nope:

And just so you understand: The reference that your link refers to goes to an article that is quoting a wingnut job who is screaming about 'data'.

However, he is wrong:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/gardasil-safety-revisited/

Notice, however, that the rates of major events of concern, namely Guillain-Barre syndrome, autoimmune disorders, transverse myelitis, and death, were all exceedingly rare, and not above what one would expect to occur in the normal unvaccinated population.
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Travis said:
And how, exactly, are you going to determine if this immunity is still strong? And what if she is someone that can't take vaccines? Is she supposed to just never get pregnant?
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From his comments, I think he would prefer I remain in the home 24/7, silent and compliant.
 
AmandaM said:
From his comments, I think he would prefer I remain in the home 24/7, silent and compliant.
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I would rather if at all possible you remain home with your children as long as possible. Your children deserve you not some undereducated $6 an hour child care worker. Let alone every airborne germ in town.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Do Mandatory Vaccinations Achieve Higher Rates of Immunization?
October 27, 2009


http://www.anh-usa.org/do-mandatory-vaccinations-achieve-higher-rates-of-immunization/
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You didn't answer the question. Are all other countries in on the conspiracy?


And for anyone interested, here is a link to a .pdf of Japan's "voluntary" vaccine policy. In short all Japanese children must receive the polio, DaTP/DT, measles, rubella, encephalitis, and BCG tuberculosis vaccines (not required in the US), and polio, DaTP, BCG all given in the first year.

http://idsc.nih.go.jp/yosoku/vacpdf/EN_05-1.pdf
 
AmandaM said:
From his comments, I think he would prefer I remain in the home 24/7, silent and compliant.
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We can add Sexist to Clayton Moore's resume. He ain't no Lone Ranger....after all the Lone Ranger's best friend was a member of an inferior race.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Vaccines are far from always safe.

Adverse Reactions


http://conservapedia.com/Vaccine#Published_Adverse_Reaction_Rates
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You know what's also not always safe? Water. Pure water.

Clayton Moore said:
I would rather if at all possible you remain home with your children as long as possible. Your children deserve you not some undereducated $6 an hour child care worker. Let alone every airborne germ in town.
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:eye-poppi Wow. So you want those with young children to remain trapped in their homes just so you can go around without being vaccinated.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The WMD lie proves that the American public can be BLATANTLY lied to in order to fulfill an agenda. And that the American public, including its elected officials will do absolutely nothing to reverse the consequences of that lie EVEN EVEN EVEN as our precious soldiers, our precious children are killed almost daily.

Hasn't the CDC lied to the public many times without consequence? Do you think business hasn't noticed that?
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We don't vaccinate because our government tells us to, so that doesn't really matter, does it?

Has anyone on this thread made the assertion that vaccines are "always safe"?
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Nirvana Fallacy. "If it isn't a 101% safe, I don't want anything to do with it". Regardless of the fact that nothing is a 101% safe.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
We don't vaccinate because our government tells us to, so that doesn't really matter, does it?

Nirvana Fallacy. "If it isn't a 101% safe, I don't want anything to do with it". Regardless of the fact that nothing is a 101% safe.
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Has anybody ever been killed by a boob? Just playing devil's advocate here. :D
 
Safe-Keeper said:
We don't vaccinate because our government tells us to, so that doesn't really matter, does it?

Nirvana Fallacy. "If it isn't a 101% safe, I don't want anything to do with it". Regardless of the fact that nothing is a 101% safe.
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Around 40,000 thousand people a year are killed in car accidents, yet we continue to use them...because we need them. Vaccination may injury or kill a tiny percentage of people but they protect hundreds of millions from early death.

It's called a smart choice
 
Polaris said:
Has anybody ever been killed by a boob? Just playing devil's advocate here. :D
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Words of wisdom.

It's always the owner/controller of the boobs you have to watch out for not the boobs out front.

It's always the owner/controller of the _____ you have to watch out for not the _____ out front.
 
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