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Matt Giwer said:
Non-Jews have been banned from public beaches if that is close enough to parks for you. I only know what I read is Israeli newspapers. It is clear you read none. Even Der Jerusalem Post reports this stuff.
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Err, what? Plenty of these non-Jews, including Arabs on the beaches of Tel Aviv-Jaffa. Just came back from one. So calling out the BS, yet again.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Yeah, that whole jew thing is a global conspiracy, isn't it?
There aren't any of them who are innocent in your eyes, are there mister "All kikes are lampshades"?
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I have a deal with the Pope and Obama. I speak for myself and they do not speak for me. I make that same deal with you.

If you insist upon creating a strawman about me and then attacking your own creation I can only suggest going into the bathroom and playing with yourself will be much more pleasurable but equally non-productive.

BTW: If the WORLD Zionist Organization is not a global, aka world, conspiracy what does constitute a conspiracy in your reality?

There is nothing in the dictionary definition which say a conspiracy must be secret. Criminal Zionism has always operated in the open.

BTW2: PLEASE try to come up with a better whine than conspiracy and lampshade. Those exact same words have been posted to me at least a hundred times. Do you guys work from a manual?

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The lampshade thing is one of the few hoaxes that even Shoah experts agree is a hoax. Get with the program.
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
Black women were never killed for being seen in public with a man after 8:00 pm under Jim Crow.
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neither have Palestinians

Sword_Of_Truth said:
Blacks were never killed for selling their property to the wrong race/ethnicity/creed under Jim Crow.
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neither have Palestinians

Sword_Of_Truth said:
Blacks were never killed for converting to the wrong religion under Jim Crow.
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neither have Palestinians. Thanks for the tri-strawman. :)
 
Matt Giwer said:
Non-Jews have been banned from public beaches if that is close enough to parks for you. I only know what I read is Israeli newspapers. It is clear you read none. Even Der Jerusalem Post reports this stuff.

Yes to separate parts of the bus, literally, at least in Jerusalem and the victim arrested and charged. And Jews have been permitted to enter the non-Jewish parts carrying rifles and two cases slaughtering the non-Jews.

As for voting, it is illegal in Israel for any political party to have a platform of equal rights for all Israelis so it is not clear just what value there is in voting. They cannot vote for equal rights and no party can campaign for equal rights. You certainly know this. Why are you pretending not to know it?

Why are you now again pretending not to know what Israel is like?
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and you got anything to backup your lies eeh claims?
 
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Non-Jews have been banned from public beaches if that is close enough to parks for you.

:p
 
a_unique_person said:
I was pointing out your effort. Unless you are a mind reader, you have offered no evidence of what proportion of Palestinians want peace.
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Ah, more of the hypocrisy. I've written extensively in this thread, which you've skimmed over entirely or occasionally responded with more one-liner rhetoric.

Re-read what I wrote and perhaps you'll get a clue that I'm not arguing a proportion of Palestinians who want peace. However, if we're on that subject, perhaps go back to the number of polls provided in this thread that states where Palestinians by and large do support jihad against Israel and that any peace agreement would be a stepping stone to a 1-state solution and hence the demise of Israel through passive means.

And no, not going through the effort, yet again, because you happened to skip over it the first few times these polls were posted.

Try again.
 
Matt Giwer said:
Exposure as an arm of the israeli government is sufficient.
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For some maybe.

We all expect bias in our sources, this is politics

What really matters though is the answer to the question "Are they lying to me? " Well, are they ? There's more than enough Palestinian sources out there to muddy the waters over the video in question. " That's taken out of context", That's not the foreign minister" "The interviewed is a crazy man and he doesn't represent the views of Hamas"

All tactics that could be used to discredit that video and convince the world that Hamas is really interested in peace.

So now that we've determined that MEMRI isn't lying to us, let's explore just who is.

This little gem just dropped into my lap

Let's explore the first paragraph.

ispsnews said:
GAZA CITY, May 31, 2011 (IPS) - A gleaming new memorial towers in the centre of Gaza City's battered port. Flanked by flags of various nations whose citizens have sailed to the Gaza Strip to highlight the all-out siege on Gaza, the memorial's inscription bears the names of the Turkish solidarity activists who died one year ago when Israeli commandoes firing machine guns air-dropped onto the Freedom Flotilla, killing nine and injuring over 50 of the civilians on board.
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Firing machine guns ? Machine guns ? As in rat-a-tat-tat nothing but a pile of activist corpses on the upper deck type machine guns ? The type of machine guns that would have made the ensuing assault on the IDF with pipes and knives impossible, those type of machine guns ?

Sure, in the confusion of the moment, the heat of battle, someone could really have thought they were coming under machine gun fire, but a year later ? Come on activists...next they'll be telling us the IDF was wearing eye patches and shouting ARRRRGH as they roped down to the deck.

Everybody...put your hands in the air and sing along with me

We con the world
We con the people
We make them think that the Hamas is Momma Theresa...
 
Stout said:
We con the world
We con the people
We make them think that the Hamas is Momma Theresa...
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Ha, I remember that song.

Good times. Too bad it was taken down.

But yeah, no they were pirates wielding machine guns and their ships were shooting their deck guns as well and people were assassinated and executed etc etc ad nauseam.
 
DC said:
i guess that means you have no evidence at all and you made up those claims.
typical
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Instead of my opinion consider the opinion of the israeli supreme court which is no longer available on line.

Ynetnews
Court Ruling
02.27.06, 11:56

High Court: Israel discriminates against Arabs

Judges rule government's economic policy favors Jewish communities over Arab ones; demand legislation, clear criteria be implemented in classification of communities in need

The High Court of Justice unanimously ruled Monday that the Israeli
government has exercised discriminative policies against the Arab
population in the country, and stated the government must set clear
criteria to define National Preference Zones, where affirmative action is
implemented.

Apartheid Charges

Guardian: Israeli regime resembles apartheid / Hagit Klaiman

Journalist who resided both in Israel, South Africa publishes 14-page-long report in distinguished British newspaper, describing how Israel discriminates against Palestinians

The court accepted a petition by Adalah, The Legal Center for Arab
Minority Rights, submitted three years ago, in which the organization
charged that vague and unclear criteria for National Preference Zones
result in discrimination against Israel's Arab citizens in the fields of
education, welfare, housing and employment.

In the petition Adalah claimed that the criteria according to which regions in the country are classified as "National Preference Zones," and are consequently granted financial benefits, are unclear, asserting that these criteria must follow a social-economic rational and be institutionalized by legislation.

Lawyers for Adalah claimed the government failed to include Arab
communities in the list of National Preference Zones (NPZs), despite the
fact the sector suffers a grim social and economic condition.

'Equality basis for human rights'

The High Court ruled the government will have to set clear criteria for
National Preference Zones, and stated the current geographical division
of NPZs in the field of education will be annulled one year from today.

In the ruling, Chief Justice Aharon Barak wrote that the end result of the government's decisions regarding NPZs provides an objective indication for whether or not Arabs were disfavored.

"Only four Arab communities, compared to about 500 Jewish ommunities, were granted NPZ status for education benefits, this while the Arab sector lags far behind in terms of education," Barak stated.

The fact that the vast majority of communities classified as "peripheral"
are Jewish points to discrimination, Barak added.

Another member of the High Court's panel, Judge Salim Jubran stressed
that "equality is the common denominator, if not the basis, for all human
rights and democratic values."

Attorney Marwan Dalal, who represented Adalah in the appeal, lauded the
court's decision and said, "this ruling is very important in two levels –
the Arab minority's right for equality, and the government's
discriminatory economic policy. I hope this ruling leads to change."
 
DC said:
i guess that means you have no evidence at all and you made up those claims.
typical
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It has been answered. Discrimination in law is the definition of Apartheid. But you want something to show the jewish supremacists are serious about it. I have 67 saved news reports specifically documenting legal discrimination alone. I doubt the moderators would be happy nor would I be with the effort. But should you still not understand the meaning of Apartheid but wish to continue making a comparison to the worst example I'll have them available.

How about individual non-Jewish citizens of Israel cannot buy land in Israel. On top of that entire ghettos suffer discrimination.

Haaretz Tue., January 03, 2006 Tevet 3, 5766 |
Israel Time: 02:46 (EST+7)

Research conducted by Professor Oren Yiftachel of the Ben-Gurion University reveals that, since 1948, the Arab population in Israel has multiplied by a factor of six but the land at its disposal has been reduced by half. During all these years, the nation did not permit the establishment of new Arab settlements. Arabs comprise 19 percent of the Israeli population, but Arab local councils control only 2.5 percent of the nation's land, Yiftachel writes. The housing shortage in the Arab sector and the lack of military service, as a central obstacle for those who would purchase a home, were both mentioned in the Or Commission Report, which examined the October 2000 riots as one of many failures in the nation's treatment of the Arab population.

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Plain racism, an extract from a summary of an israeli organization following racism.

Mossawa Center's 2009 Racism Report

It began saying "almost every day" another Israeli Arab is victimized by
racist actions. Mossawa documented 271 cases in various categories,
confirmed by media and police reports. "Most documentation refers to
events," not individuals, but their total number far exceeds the events
mentioned.

Mossawa was alarmed that Occupied Territory (OPT) abuses have incrementally
crossed the Green Line. Since the second Intifada's onset (after Ariel
Sharon's provocative September 28 Al-Aqsa Mosque visit), few Israeli - Arab citizen confrontations occurred until Acre, Galilee's October 2008 violence. Incidents now "create separation between communities that used to" coexist peacefully. As a result, Israeli Arab citizens face disruptive social, economic and cultural futures.

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Stout said:
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Firing machine guns ? Machine guns ? As in rat-a-tat-tat nothing but a pile of activist corpses on the upper deck type machine guns ? The type of machine guns that would have made the ensuing assault on the IDF with pipes and knives impossible, those type of machine guns ?

Sure, in the confusion of the moment, the heat of battle, someone could really have thought they were coming under machine gun fire, but a year later ? Come on activists...next they'll be telling us the IDF was wearing eye patches and shouting ARRRRGH as they roped down to the deck.

Everybody...put your hands in the air and sing along with me

We con the world
We con the people
We make them think that the Hamas is Momma Theresa...
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No matter how many times an issue is resolved izziehuggers will come back with the same old nonsense.

To review the bidding, Israel knows was goes in a thousand feet underground in Iran. The ships were loaded in daylight in public with media coverage invited. Therefore Israel knew for a fact there was nothing on the ships to justify their excuse for the attack.

The blockade is not in conformation with international law embodied in the Hague convention on Naval warfare. So stopping the ships for any reason was unlawful. All deaths consequent to an unlawful act are murders.

The attack began in international waters. It was not in Israeli waters. It is unclear what piracy is called when it is done by a government. Even if the blockade were lawful the attack was conducted where it was not lawful to attack. Again, the deaths were murders.

Obviously actions taken outside of Israeli territorial waters cannot be construed as actions to preserve sovereignty.

It is the right of the passengers on a ship to repel boarders under very old anti-piracy laws still in effect. In this case the announced intention of the boarders was kidnapping. Kidnapping is also a recognized crime and as such deaths consequent to kidnapping or attempted kidnapping are also murder. In this case it was also self-defense against being kidnapped.

Which leads us to who said the IDF was attacked and why did they say it? And if you answer the why tell me how you know. We have two sides who have said contrary things.

In any event, if something did happen to the Sturmsoldaten they asked for it. The passengers were the victims of the Jews who attacked first.

Knowing full well there was nothing on the ships which could justify their actions they did it anyway. Knowing full well it was not a sovereignty issue they did it anyway.

Is there anything else? or are you just hung up on the word machine
gun? In this case that would refer to any weapon capable of full auto fire which includes the standard issue IDF M-16 rifle. So few people know proper gun terminology that is a meaningless error.
 
Stout said:
For some maybe.

We all expect bias in our sources, this is politics
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As you know I posted something else entirely pointing out it is criminal for an unregistered foreign agent to publish anything. Therefore, knowing the people who run MEMRI we reasonably assume they are registered as foreign agents. As such you are choosing to believe a government run news source. Didn't the Cold War teach you anything or are you too young to remember?
 
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