Mary, my friend your exhaustive research and recounting on the comings and goings at PMF leave me in awe again, as had your previous lengthy documentation of each and every poster ever disciplined there.
However, your argument has documented little other than I indeed do not agree with all whom you deem appropriate to call 'my colleagues' have previously said about Moderators' opinions about the Kercher murder on this thread.
(If that needed documentation for some reason that I fail to connect with)
pilot, you are too generous with your praise. PMF obligingly has a search feature that one can use without even being a member. It took me five minutes to collect my data.
Of course there was no need to document your disagreement with your fellow guilters. There is no need for any discussion at all, when we get right down to it.
Mary, The above opinion of yours however is *much* more difficult for me to find any agreement with whatsoever.
Mary, forgive me I quarrel not, but but beg to emphatically disagree
Even if we no longer 'parse' so as to humor communications engineering fetishes, we must now simply ask *your* definition of exemplary in light of:
1) Raffaele's self incriminating statement that he was under the influence of drugs 80% of his waking hours, and the fact that his father was in fact a sobriety coach by calling him several times a day to try and help him stay off drugs.
2) Various and sundry descriptions of Amanda that make even her Mother's "quirky" seem tame, yet certainly far from 'exemplary'.
Now, pilot, you know me well enough to know that I will not accept most claims based only on hearsay. Documentation is required for your points 1 and 2 to hold validity. I vaguely remember something about Raffaele saying he was stoned a lot, but do you think he meant he was under the influence of drugs 80% of the waking hours of his entire life, or did he mean something more like 80% of the waking hours during a few specific months in college? Remember, my original claim was that Amanda and Raffaele had led exemplary
lives up until their arrests. I am not going to quibble about a transgression here or a transgression there once they reached adulthood.
3) Since what convicted murderers heard others say is apparently now revered and respected Defense Team sources (even one who used a shovel to kill a child), you recall one such convicted cretin that helped to kill Meredith Kercher said that Meredith told him Amanda was a drugged up tart. (exemplary indeed)
I do not hold the convicted murderers in esteem; that's why you have not seen me write anything about them. Nor do I assign any credibility to Rudy Guede, if indeed he actually made that comment.
3) Various judges who looked at mountains of evidence about them have said either or both were:
a) Danger to the public completely without inhibitions
b) Disposed to follow any impulse even leading to violent conduct
c) Histrionic, restless, and do not disdain multiple frequentations
d) Sleeps around
If the judges came to those conclusions, they were mistaken. I base my opinions on my own research and observations, not on other people's interpretations.
Let's put it mildly and conclude that your rose colored glasses concept of 'exemplary' is excusable, being probably agenda driven.
But it is definitely dramatically different than mine, and hardly widely accepted anywhere save from like minded cheerleaders, or self published authors that even Frank Sfarzo called 'confused'
Even Frank Sfarzo says Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and that Mignini and the police are out of control. Are you sure you want to use Frank Sfarzo as support for your arguments?
Additionally, by definition, (not parsing), 'arrest' of itself somewhat inhibits opportunities to have any *subsequent* behavior after arrest, that you allude to, be in fact anything less than 'exemplary'.
(Does it not ?)
Forgive me if I remain underwhelmed that you find what a jailbird does with his time behind bars as 'exemplary' much less extraordinary.
Again, my claim was that "Amanda and Raffaele's exemplary lives before their arrests and the fact that they are holding up so well after almost four years in prison are evidence enough of their mental and emotional stability." I answered Alt+4's challenge to show how Amanda and Raffaele's pre-arrest lives were exemplary. If you would like, I can do the same about their lives in prison, but I haven't done it yet.
