Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Bruce Fisher said:
Fantastic isn't it? One of the most discussed aspects of this case and Mignini acts completely clueless. Maybe Mignini missed the knife seminar put on by SomeAlibi about big knives and little knives. It was an eye opener for sure. I had no idea they came in so many sizes!

I would think the guy responsible for putting two people behind bars for a quarter century would have a better grasp on the evidence used to put them there. Mignini is an embarrassment to Italy and they should stop embracing him immediately and clean up the mess he created.
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Bruce Fisher,

And some people---like you, for instance--- don't appreciate just how cunning Amanda is.

Mignini also mentioned Amanda's famous first phone call to her mother, 12:47 pm Perugia time/ 4:47 am Seattle time, as evidence of Amanda's guilt. On the surface, it looks like what an innocent girl would do......having discovered the cottage door left open, the breakin and chaos in Filomena's room, Meredith's locked door, blood in her bathroom, feces in the toilet.

Yes, on the surface. But knowing Amanda's cunning we can see why she placed that call. She was trying to act innocent, ...doing just what you'd expect an innocent person to do! Not everyone was fooled.

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Fine said:
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Bruce Fisher,

And some people---like you, for instance--- don't appreciate just how cunning Amanda is.

Mignini also mentioned Amanda's famous first phone call to her mother, 12:47 pm Perugia time/ 4:47 am Seattle time, as evidence of Amanda's guilt. On the surface, it looks like what an innocent girl would do......having discovered the cottage door left open, the breakin and chaos in Filomena's room, Meredith's locked door, blood in her bathroom, feces in the toilet.

Yes, on the surface. But knowing Amanda's cunning we can see why she placed that call. She was trying to act innocent, ...doing just what you'd expect an innocent person to do! Not everyone was fooled.

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I disagree. If she was so cunning, then she would not have made this call. Then, she would have argued that if she were truly trying to trick the police then she would have made such a call in order to feign cunningness, but since she hadn't made the call she must not be tricking the police, and therefore the lack of a call proves her innocence.
 
Fine said:
Bruce Fisher,

And some people---like you, for instance--- don't appreciate just how cunning Amanda is.

Mignini also mentioned Amanda's famous first phone call to her mother, 12:47 pm Perugia time/ 4:47 am Seattle time, as evidence of Amanda's guilt. On the surface, it looks like what an innocent girl would do......having discovered the cottage door left open, the breakin and chaos in Filomena's room, Meredith's locked door, blood in her bathroom, feces in the toilet.

Yes, on the surface. But knowing Amanda's cunning we can see why she placed that call. She was trying to act innocent, ...doing just what you'd expect an innocent person to do! Not everyone was fooled.
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Wow, this ought to be evidence of guilt? She acted exactly like an innocent person and that shows how cunning she is? Witch trial comes to mind.

It is certainly the most grotesque alleged piece of evidence of guilt I heard so far.

She acted like an innocent –----> this shows her cunningness and is therefore evidence of her guilt.
 
Fine said:
And some people---like you, for instance--- don't appreciate just how cunning Amanda is.

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Yes, on the surface. But knowing Amanda's cunning we can see why she placed that call. She was trying to act innocent, ...doing just what you'd expect an innocent person to do! Not everyone was fooled.
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Fine, has it never occurred to you that Amanda doing what you'd expect an innocent person to do is because she is ... innocent?
 
Fine said:
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Bruce Fisher,

And some people---like you, for instance--- don't appreciate just how cunning Amanda is.

Mignini also mentioned Amanda's famous first phone call to her mother, 12:47 pm Perugia time/ 4:47 am Seattle time, as evidence of Amanda's guilt. On the surface, it looks like what an innocent girl would do......having discovered the cottage door left open, the breakin and chaos in Filomena's room, Meredith's locked door, blood in her bathroom, feces in the toilet.

Yes, on the surface. But knowing Amanda's cunning we can see why she placed that call. She was trying to act innocent, ...doing just what you'd expect an innocent person to do! Not everyone was fooled.

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Raffaele is also very cunning. For although he called the police before they arrived, he also turned the clock back 10 minutes to make the police believe he called them while they were present. He did this for the sole reason to cast doubt on the reliability of the postal police testimony.

Shrewd.
 
Antony said:
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Fine, has it never occurred to you that Amanda doing what you'd expect an innocent person to do is because she is ... innocent?
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This is why I make liberal use of emoticons. Read it again with the assumption there's a :p at the end.

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It also seems that Mignini is sticking to the mixed blood of Amanda and Meredith, despite it not being accepted by Massei.

And so now I put the question to you, I return the question: how is it possible that there is mixed blood of Amanda, that mixed blood of Amanda and the victim was the small bathroom, which is very near, next to the murder room?
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Has Comodi succeeded in confusing Mignini as well, or is he covering up for his partner in prosecutorial prevarication?

There is a call that is made in an hour, now I do not remember, it was I think, I do not remember exactly, I think it was 3 AM in Seattle, I think.
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halides1 said:
Kaosium,

I commented on this problem the IIP thread on wrongful convictions. I would much rather build positive incentives rather than negative ones into the system, to address the problem with wrongful convictions. A negative incentive (such as giving the wrongfully convicted person a large monetary settlement) just gives prosecutors one more reason to ask for destruction of DNA evidence (for example) at the end of a trial, or to otherwise impede any reinvestigation.
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It also would be a massive incentive to ensure there's 'extra evidence' that ensures there's never any acquittal. :(
 
Wow,
Mignini is claiming Nara heard the scream because Meredit's flat is in an amphitheater.

Mignini: So, the question of Curatolo is one thing, the declaration of Mrs. Capezzali, what’s her name, I think Capezzali, is something else. You say, she’s quite an elderly woman, she said she heard a scream, the scream that… She lives, I don’t know if you know the area, but, I don’t think you know it, she lives above the garage and looks over the house on via della Pergola, where there’s a kind of, something like an amphitheater. So the sounds coming from below can be heard with particular clarity and she heard the scream perfectly.
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Does he just make stuff up as he goes along?
 
mixed up

RoseMontague said:
It also seems that Mignini is sticking to the mixed blood of Amanda and Meredith, despite it not being accepted by Massei.
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Since I may travel to Italy someday, I will just say that Mignini is mixed up. If one could (as per Garofano) decide that a sample of DNA came from blood, then DNA profiling itself would be a presumptive or confirmatory blood test. It is no such thing. One problem with Garofano's assertion (in addition to things I have previously said) is that one would have to know how much biological material were collected and normalize for it, if one were going to use peak heights to tell the biological fluid that had given rise to the DNA profile. I don't see how this is even possible.
 
The alleged staging of the break-in now seems to be the key to Mignini's claims of guilt.

That is, that was an opportunity to make an inspection to see that house as it was, how was this window through which this unknown subject would have climbed, which then would have been Rudy. And the court was aware that this reconstruction was, in my opinion, unlikely.
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I wonder how "unlikely" works in terms of beyond a reasonable doubt?
 
Mignini is Patrick's savior it seems:

Mignini: Well this is, in the Italian legal system, the prosecutor is not a lawyer for the accusation. He/she is an organ of the judiciary who must also seek evidence in favor of the suspect. Which we have done, particularly in the case of Lumumba.
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LOL.
 
It turns out the rust on the bra clasp could not have been prevented:

The material on the clasp turned out then, I believe, to have deteriorated due to the presence of rust. And the rust could not have been prevented because, if one uses an anti-rust product, it would have burned the genetic material that remained.
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Yes, it does appear he just makes stuff up as he goes along.
 
An example of Mignini logic at work:

It is possible, to begin with on the knife. The knife was in the room, means it was used. If the knife is the murder weapon, the knife was in the room.
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Of course. Why did this not occur to me?
 
Rust happens

RoseMontague said:
It turns out the rust on the bra clasp could not have been prevented:



Yes, it does appear he just makes stuff up as he goes along.
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This is such nonsense, as LondonJohn implied. DNA can be preserved for many years, and I am unaware that bra clasps go around rusting in their normal use. Of course, if one can believe in magic cleaning fluid (it removes blood but not starch), one can believe in anything.
 
Migninin's hope for the future evaluation of his interview:

So I hope that, I don’t know, but I wish, just hope, that at least I have been able to help in clarifying [the matter]. That is, that at least something could be said [missing words] that is not exactly what we thought. This is what I would like, at least I hope.
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Dream on. I evaluate him at very horribly poor, possibly even tragic, and likely the worst interview by a prosecutor that I have ever seen.
 
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halides1 said:
This is such nonsense, as LondonJohn implied. DNA can be preserved for many years, and I am unaware that bra clasps go around rusting in their normal use. Of course, if one can believe in magic cleaning fluid (it removes blood but not starch), one can believe in anything.
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It will be interesting to see if the experts will submit a report today/tomorrow which states any reasons for the inability to retest the knife and bra clasp. I would think it should be included in asking the court for a further extension.

I do not know about normal use of bra clasps, however this clasp was not treated as normal and did not appear normal from the photos. The covering (enamel?) was scraped partly away, it was subject to testing and was stored, which may or may not have affected it's deterioration.
 
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