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Merged Discussion of femr's video data analysis

Hard to believe how I have to tell you how important real measurements are to this whole forum and the whole debate.

For WTC1, real measurements made by femr and others have popped the JREF bubble. The NIST bubble, too.

I understand the JREF preference for fake data, since wrt WTC1 people here wouldn't have much to say or defend without it..

But if you want to demonstrate a little sincerity in your own historical review, you will need the best measurements possible (the true how of building movement).

If you make this effort to boot the only thread which generates real, quality measurements from this forum while leaving gossip threads alone, you reveal your true intentions of promoting a your own subjective myth and calling it real.

I am here to debate using the most real data possible. Are you?

Math-less data that comes from applying misunderstood software to fuzzy videos of unknown provenance.

You might want to focus more on the data and less on the intentions of your fellow JREFers.
 
I did the WTC twin towers collapse dynamics and ROOSD, remember?

You misquote me as not "believing" in gravity driven processes for maybe 40 different posts.

You would have to have fallen right off the turnip truck to be accusing me of that in May, 2011. You misquote me constantly, You attack me constantly without addressing any argument. I have never seen you receive even a warning for living in constant breach of forum rules.

I receive warnings and infractions for responding to your endless smearing.

I do not mind at all if you wish to display yourself like that. You make my case for me. Thanks and keep up the shining example for all to see clearly. You trash and expose the debunker mindset more than I could possibly hope to do.

Sincerely, I don't mind.
I did not know you believed WTC 1, 2, and 7 fell due to fires in a gravity collapse. When did you join reality, you first showed up claiming CD, when and what woke you up to reality? Did femr2's data work change you from delusions to reality, or was it your study of a chaotic collapse due to gravity? When did you stop thinking 911 was an inside job? Was it femr2's work that brought you back to reality to drop the CD and inside job nonsense, or your work?
 
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I love you, brother. Seriously, I couldn't have invented a poster like you if I tried.

You are better than anything I could have dreamed up.

Are those serious questions?
 
I love you, brother. Seriously, I couldn't have invented a poster like you if I tried.

You are better than anything I could have dreamed up.

Are those serious questions?
Yes, you think you are doing serious work, femr2 thinks it is serious, but you can't set goals or produce conclusions. You have failed to answer how your claim of CD relates to femr2's work. Can you discuss how your claim of CD dovetails with femr2's analysis?
 
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The following image shows the roofline above Region B for the first 5 NIST datapoints (Including T0)...
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As you can see, the roofline structures are still visible for the first 4 datapoints, and the roofline cannot be determined by automated tracing techniques.

If one performs a trace from the NIST T0 pixel location and frame, and scales it relative to the height determined for Region B...

...and compares it to the NIST displacement data...

...it fits well.

I suggest the datapoint separation graph highlights what NIST did...

The T0 pixel is obscured behind foreground buildings around 4.7s after that time...which coincides with the change in datapoint separation seen for the last 5 samples in 12-76.

I suggest NIST started the trace from the T0 pixel location, then swapped tracking point for those last 5 samples to a location above Region B.
 
Yes.

This results in an accidental stretching of the early acceleration by not correctly identifying the true T(o) moment. Penthouse movement blurs into perimeter movement and if the point isn't tracked carefully the 2 separate objects will appear as one.

Note that this problem is independent of any horizontal motion issues (think kink!)
 
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Femr2 -aren't you spamming this thread by reposting? I think so.
Also, this thread is supposed to be about YOUR video data analysis, as suggested by the OP.

Suggest you start another thread to discuss the NIST datapoints, and that you link to previous graphs instead of reposting the same material over and over.

I fully expect you to ignore these suggestions btw. That's just who you are. ;)
 
Just as an aside, the collapse has already been well underway when those images were happening....
They have to ignore the first 8 to 10 seconds of WTC 7 collapse initiation so they can back in CD, plus it is hard to model.

Like a house collapsing internally first then the wall come tumbling down. It is an analysis of what is seen, and the outcome is a blind man and an elephant event. Failing to take what the other blind men "saw".

Technical stuff for femr2 and Major Tom is not the same as what engineers might expect. At femr2's web site he has failed technical papers in the technical paper section. http://femr2.ucoz.com/index/0-4 Those technical papers on 911 they make failed claims/conclusions. Major Tom and Femr2 both claim the Official Theory is Fictional, that is enough to tie the no goal/no conclusion video analysis to 911 CTs.

I was interested in how this work, femr2's work (what femr2 can call, "my video data analysis"), relates to Major Tom's CD claims?
In addition, how does femr2's work relate to femr2 Fictional Official Theory stand? Valid questions in a 911 conspiracy theories sub-forum. Irony is posting "serious" work at a skeptic sub-forum on 911 conspiracy theories. How is this related to 911 CT claims? Major Tom and femr2 make the Fictional Official Theory claim.
 
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Femr2 -aren't you spamming this thread by reposting? I think so.
You think wrong. I'm not spamming at all. The post above is a tying together of three separate analysis elements for the first time.

It strikes me that your repeated attempts to suggest rule infraction are, however, exactly spam (and rule infractions in and of themselves btw ;) ). Perhaps it is because you have made a fool of yourself on this thread for weeks and want it to go away. Perhaps it is because you have run out of things you (incorrectly) feel the need to complain about. Who knows. Who cares.

ozeco41 summed it up nicely a while back...
You don't.

But remember one of the attempts to stop your discussions is the many times repeated claim that unless the topic is "conspiracy" it doesn't belong in this sub forum.

A more ridiculous bit of attempted censorship I have not seen. The idea that technical discussions do not belong here is silly enough and totally at odds with the historic practice of this sub forum. No one familiar with the discussions in this forum could seriously suggest that technical stuff has even been discouraged let alone barred.

Likewise look at the amount of thread discussions we would have to curtail if this "conspiracy only" was to become the rule and technical stuff without conspiracy becomes verboten....

...the old saying "cut off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. :rolleyes:



Also, this thread is supposed to be about YOUR video data analysis
The post is discussing that very thing, my video data analysis. You alright ?
 
Just as an aside, the collapse has already been well underway when those images were happening....

Femr can only see and measure the visible outside of the building.

None of us have special powers to see through walls. You know what you can document and measure. The rest is speculation.
 
Femr2 -aren't you spamming this thread by reposting? I think so.
Also, this thread is supposed to be about YOUR video data analysis, as suggested by the OP.

Suggest you start another thread to discuss the NIST datapoints, and that you link to previous graphs instead of reposting the same material over and over.

I fully expect you to ignore these suggestions btw. That's just who you are. ;)


Post 1726 by femr contains very important information you have probably not seen before.

You call some of the best, clearest analysis of NIST measurements of WTC7 early movement available "spamming".

This is very new information. Probably the best quality analysis of WTC7 early movement you have ever had access to......and you don't even recognize that.


You call original, critical analysis "spamming". I do not believe you are interested in studying the real buildings at all. You seem to have no serious interest in them. Your chief focus seems to be in getting this thread out of the forum instead.
 
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They have to ignore the first 8 to 10 seconds of WTC 7 collapse initiation
Nonsense. I repeatedly prod this thread towards early motion.

Like a house collapsing internally first then the wall come tumbling down.
Surely you're not a hollow shell believer beachnut ? :eek:

Surely you haven't taken the ridiculous notion of core and floor elements across the width of the building becoming disconnected before descent of the facade walls literally have you ?
 
Femr can only see and measure the visible outside of the building.

None of us have special powers to see through walls. You know what you can document and measure. The rest is speculation.

I never said he did. I'm just stating a fact that might shed light on WHEN it started. The collapse was a good ways in before that image was taken. That's all I'm saying.


want a graph?
 
I'm just stating a fact that might shed light on WHEN it started. The collapse was a good ways in before that image was taken. That's all I'm saying.
Shed light ? Crikey. Are you perhaps referring to the descent of the East penthouse, or perhaps motion I have been highlighting for a few months far beforehand... ?

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Do you really think folk such as MT and myself do not know the event timeline in substantial detail ?

want a graph?
If you have one, sure. The more the merry. What do you have ?
 
Nonsense. I repeatedly prod this thread towards early motion.


Surely you're not a hollow shell believer beachnut ? :eek:

Surely you haven't taken the ridiculous notion of core and floor elements across the width of the building becoming disconnected before descent of the facade walls literally have you ?
Do you like to avoid answering questions by putting forth simplified system silly questions, did this work at your engineering school?

How would you know anything about the interior, you are looking at a single point on the exterior, you have no goal, no conclusion. You are stuck with the hollow claim, Fictional Official Theory. Did you erase that statement like you did your failed comments on NIST? Your smoothed acceleration is a model, amazing Major Tom is able to remain stable since he goes nuts on models and attacks them using opinions, when he needs math.

Your video analysis is like your study of two flight 175s and flight explorer. No goal, driven by ignorance of what happen, and ignorance of how things work. No big deal.

How does this work, your work, support your Fictional Official Theory stand.
Does your work support Major Tom's claim the gravity collapse is an illusion done by some evil doers he can't define? The fact you can't answer these questions, and other factors, is why your work belongs here, Conspiracy Theories » 911 Conspiracy Theories, and not in an Engineering Journal.

Was WTC 7 a collapse due to fire? How does you work support the fact WTC 7 was a gravity collapse? How does your work support a collapse due to fire?
 
How would you know anything about the interior
It is quite easy to determine many internal behaviours via analysis of external behaviours. The simplest of which being the period of over-g descent of the NW corner, which strongly suggests attachment to internal floor structures also still attached to the core.

Even the simple image posted earlier refutes any notion of nonsensical claims about a hollow shell.

Are you a hollow shell believer beachnut ?

I shall be moving on to describe numerous internal behaviours which can be inferred from external observation in the near future, but it would be interesting to see where you stand on internal descent mechanism. Pray tell ?

you are looking at a single point on the exterior
Incorrect. I have looked at a multitude of external points.

You are stuck with the hollow claim
I make no such claim, in fact the opposite. And you ?

Fictional Official Theory
As I've told you many times beachnut, there is no official theory, as well you know. You keep spamming this thread with the same tired off topic nonsense.

Your video analysis is like your study of two flight 175s and flight explorer.
Nope, totally different. There are indeed two 175 ID flights on the FlightExplorer radar traces, as well you know, and the latest discussion can be found here...
ACARS messages to UA175 and UA93
 
Shed light ? Crikey. Are you perhaps referring to the descent of the East penthouse, or perhaps motion I have been highlighting for a few months far beforehand... ?

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/7/2/666377698.jpg[/qimg]

Do you really think folk such as MT and myself do not know the event timeline in substantial detail ?


If you have one, sure. The more the merry. What do you have ?

Again - I was commenting on the image. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't really have a conclusion..... :rolleyes:
 
It is quite easy to determine many internal behaviours via analysis of external behaviours. The simplest of which being the period of over-g descent of the NW corner, which strongly suggests attachment to internal floor structures also still attached to the core.

Even the simple image posted earlier refutes any notion of nonsensical claims about a hollow shell.

Who claims this? Certainly not NIST. Is this another "debunk a debunker"?
 

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