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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Dragoonster said:
What "people" are you talking about?

And what do you mean by "war"?

(aka, when's the last time Syria has killed anyone in a "war"?)
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A. Homo sapiens

B. The last conflict in Lebanon and the last conflict in Gaza. I'm not getting into some silly semantics battle of if these technically qualify as wars.

C. Probably 1982? And a year later they killed thousands by shelling Hama. That doesn't qualify as war though. Maybe civil war. And then they are responsible for an unknown number of casualties an the various low-level conflicts such as their involvement in Lebanon.

Why?
 
bikerdruid said:
no...the domestic and foreign policies of israel's government are evil.
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But, how do you know which policies are evil?

Let us check your record about, say, Syria (about whose 600+ dead protestors in a week you don't give a damn), or bin Laden (with who you have "some sympathy"), or communism (which killed millions upon millions but you support and in fact promote) or Hamas (which you support).

Clearly, being a murderous terrorist with genocidal plans -- or even with a record of mass genocide -- isn't enough to switch on your "they're evil" detector.

The one sure sign, the one fail-safe indication you have that someone is behaving in an evil way? It's something done by the Jewish state.

What a curious coincidence.
 
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Skeptic said:
But, how do you know which policies are evil?

Let us check your record about, say, Syria (about whose 600+ dead protestors in a week you don't give a damn), or bin Laden (with who you have "some sympathy"), or communism (which killed millions upon millions but you support and in fact promote) or Hamas (which you support).

Clearly, being a murderous terrorist with genocidal plans -- or even with a record of mass genocide -- isn't enough to switch on your "they're evil" detector.

The one sure sign, the one fail-safe indication you have that someone is behaving in an evil way? It's something done by the Jewish state.

What a curious coincidence.
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Sure sign of evilness: stroking a white cat sleeping on one's lap, while being a chief for an organization with a long acronym, like S.P.E.C.T.R.E ? J/K.

by the way one could very well consider all government you cited *and* Israel, to all behave badly to a certain degree (some worst than other). It is not an either/or , false dichotomy, it could be both. ETA: for example I would call France's action with the rainbow warrior very bad and terrorism. It does not matter that it is my country and i love it. It was a **** up.
 
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So much non-sense in so few posts by the Israeli haters.
Where to begin? sheeesh...Actually I'm pretty sure the OP does feel dumb
starting this thread the way he/she did.
 
yairhol said:
So much non-sense in so few posts by the Israeli haters.
Where to begin? sheeesh...Actually I'm pretty sure the OP does feel dumb
starting this thread the way he/she did.
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I am not sure if there are Israeli hater in this thread or not, but you realize that saying some action by a government were not correct and quite bad, is not the same as saying you hate the people inhabiting that country , right ?

Criticizing for example the foreign politic of the USA, does not make one an American hater.
If anything, that attempt of congruence between the two, is a very transparent attempt at deflecting the issue and avoid discussing it. Just call the person a xxx-hater , and there is no need to discuss it anymore, except as an irrational emotion.

A very transparent tactic. Too bad it usually works.
 
applecorped said:
"Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh spoke to Muslim worshipers on Sunday morning, telling them to pray for an end to Israel."

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=220567

And so it goes.
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What do you make of the following?

Senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat on Sunday also commented on Nakba Day events, telling Israel Radio, "This is the day of my nakba, it is the day when my nation was interrupted. Sixty-three years later, we're still interrupted, we're still under occupation. If I want to go to Jerusalem, I still need to ask permission from one of your kids, your soldiers."

Commenting about a plan in which Israel would agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders if the Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Erekat said "Your title is the State of Israel, and that is how we recognize you.
 
The Fool said:
look, lets just cut to the chase here. Discussing things with you is pointless...

"there is no international law against killing jews"

what sort of a wierdo are you?

You appear to need some time for the obsessions to cool....on ignore you go.
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Seriously?

Don't you think it's rather telling that you would rather take your toys and go home than just name some of these obligations you think will be imposed on a Palestinian state? How can you claim to be "misunderstood" or "misrepresented" when you could put the whole issue to rest by just naming some of these obligations?
 
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Captain.Sassy said:
What do you make of the following?

Senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat on Sunday also commented on Nakba Day events, telling Israel Radio, "This is the day of my nakba, it is the day when my nation was interrupted. Sixty-three years later, we're still interrupted, we're still under occupation. If I want to go to Jerusalem, I still need to ask permission from one of your kids, your soldiers."

Commenting about a plan in which Israel would agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders if the Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Erekat said "Your title is the State of Israel, and that is how we recognize you.
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I make it out to be frustration and anger and an unwillingness to give up the call for the end of Israel. What do you make of it?
 
Captain.Sassy said:
What do you make of the following?

Senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat on Sunday also commented on Nakba Day events, telling Israel Radio, "This is the day of my nakba, it is the day when my nation was interrupted. Sixty-three years later, we're still interrupted, we're still under occupation. If I want to go to Jerusalem, I still need to ask permission from one of your kids, your soldiers."

Commenting about a plan in which Israel would agree to a Palestinian state on 1967 borders if the Palestinians agreed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Erekat said "Your title is the State of Israel, and that is how we recognize you.
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I read it that he thinks the semantic quibble is more important to him than peace.

Seriously, if Palestinian goal is statehood for themselves, why make such an issue of Israel being a Jewish state? They should be willing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state or a martian state, and it wouldn't matter because they get their own Palestinian state in the process.

So, I put it to you, how do you explain the reluctance to go that teeny extra step and just recognize Israel as a Jewish state?
 
bikerdruid said:
now, unarmed demonstrators are called 'militants', if israel is doing the shooting.:rolleyes:
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Would be nice to see a source where the IDF is confirmed to have actually done the shooting, ie those killed. Regardless, the Syrians have had their little distraction...
 
applecorped said:
I make it out to be frustration and anger and an unwillingness to give up the call for the end of Israel. What do you make of it?
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I didn't realise that the semantics of recognising Israel as specifically a Jewish state were an issue. Non-recognition of Israel as specifically a Jewish state seems different to me from non-recognition of the state of Israel, or from calling for the end of Israel. What are the implications for non-Jewish residents of Israel of Israel being a Jewish state?
 
Anyways, this made me chuckle:

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the border challenge was foreseen, but not easy for Israel to handle.

"For months we have been discussing the possibility of the organization of mass processions. I don't think there is a magic solution for all situations," he told Israeli television.

"The Palestinians' transition from terror carried out by suicide bombers to mass demonstrations, on purpose without weapons, is a transition that poses many challenges. And we will deal with them in the future," Barak said.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinian-violence-erupts-three-borders-024821820.html

Terror has a new name- unarmed demonstrators
 
Captain.Sassy said:
The problem is the kind of evidence you're asking for is impossible to produce. If you use the lack of such evidence (and I think that's what you're trying to do) as justification for shooting unarmed people, then you can justify shooting anyone.
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Interesting. You're bringing up the issue of producing evidence whether someone is armed or not, but have no issue with making the snap judgment that the protests on the day and location in question are unarmed simply because these people are categorized under 'protestors'.

I'm sure this would be interpreted as a fallacy, but the mavi marmara had 'protestors' on them too and were all classified as such on a number of international media outlets.

I mean, I've seen the photos of the protesters / invasion forces and they didn't look like they were wearing explosives, but I'm assuming you won't accept this as
"Evidence the Israeli soldiers could tell they weren't wearing explosives".
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Sarcasm? I guess protestors are interchangeable if this would be classified as evidence.
 
applecorped said:
I make it out to be frustration and anger and an unwillingness to give up the call for the end of Israel. What do you make of it?
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Ben-Gurion stated: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ... There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it is simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army."[4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben_Gurion
 
Captain.Sassy said:
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"The Palestinians' transition from terror carried out by suicide bombers to mass demonstrations, on purpose without weapons, is a transition that poses many challenges. And we will deal with them in the future," Barak said.[/I]
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/israel-palestinian-violence-erupts-three-borders-024821820.html

Terror has a new name- unarmed demonstrators
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I don't see the word 'unarmed' there, but not surprised by this addition. Not the first time armed militants or whatever you want to call them, have taken advantage of protests to launch attacks. Or we going to pretend that this hasn't been the case in the past?
 
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