Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

Mr.Herbert said:
I walked into the bar today. Asked the bartender, "Give me a Bin Laden."

He said "What's in it?"

I told him, " Two Shots and a splash of water."
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Was Klinghoffer of course. now it's funny. sorry if that's been mentioned already.
 
TruthersLie said:
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This is supposed to be the Seal team's official patch. Notice anything?
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Other than it being a fake, no I didn't notice anything.
 
Army of One said:
I highly doubt that there were any cameras on the SEALs helmets (despite the repeated speculation by reporters on CNN, FOX, etc.). I'd guess that the only video footage of the operation came from whatever aircraft they had overhead at the time (drones, support helos for example).

Everyone (especially the media) really needs to take a step back and wait for the details to be sorted out.
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Looks like I may have been wrong. Now it's being reported that they did in fact have video cameras attached to their helmets during the raid.

In the early aftermath of Usama's death, the topic of helmet mounted cameras was only being discussed in the context of Obama and his staff watching the operation in real time, which I doubted (other than seeing video from a drone or helicopter overhead). I didn't even stop to think that the SEALs might have video cameras on them simply recording (but not transmitting/broadcasting) all their actions during the operation.

If the current news report is accurate, at least the videos should help to eventually clear up some of the discrepancies about the raid.
 
Here's Micheal Moore's take:

"I know a number of Navy SEALs. In fact (and this is something I don't like to talk about publicly, for all the obvious reasons), I hire only ex-SEALs and ex-Special Forces guys to handle my own security (I'll let you pause a moment to appreciate that irony). These SEALs are trained to follow orders. I don't know what their orders were that night in Abbottabad, but it certainly looks like a job (and this is backed up in a piece in the Atlantic) where they were told to not bring bin Laden back alive.

Perhaps there was no way to bring him back alive – I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in that dark house trying to make that snap decision. But if the execution was ordered in advance, then I say we should be told that now, and we can like it or not like it."
 
Wow, I hate to admit this, but I somewhat agree with Michael Moore. At least in part.

If the USN SEALs were told to not bring him back alive, oh well. No sweat of my back. But, I highly doubt that, given the rules of war under the Geneva Convention.
 
Army of One said:
Looks like I may have been wrong. Now it's being reported that they did in fact have video cameras attached to their helmets during the raid.

In the early aftermath of Usama's death, the topic of helmet mounted cameras was only being discussed in the context of Obama and his staff watching the operation in real time, which I doubted (other than seeing video from a drone or helicopter overhead). I didn't even stop to think that the SEALs might have video cameras on them simply recording (but not transmitting/broadcasting) all their actions during the operation.

If the current news report is accurate, at least the videos should help to eventually clear up some of the discrepancies about the raid.
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No **** sherlock. In the aftermath of Bin Laden's death it was clearly stated in this very thread that it is not unusual for various units, regardless of cap badge, to wear helmet cams as routine. Did you miss that? Have you never seen your fellow servicemen wearing these cameras soldier? You do surprise me. Are you telling me that your opos didnt wear them in NI, Iraq and Afghanistan? really? Perhaps you were a REMF? Slop Jocky? HQ?
 
JihadJane said:
Here's Micheal Moore's take:

"I know a number of Navy SEALs. In fact (and this is something I don't like to talk about publicly, for all the obvious reasons), I hire only ex-SEALs and ex-Special Forces guys to handle my own security (I'll let you pause a moment to appreciate that irony). These SEALs are trained to follow orders. I don't know what their orders were that night in Abbottabad, but it certainly looks like a job (and this is backed up in a piece in the Atlantic) where they were told to not bring bin Laden back alive.

Perhaps there was no way to bring him back alive – I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in that dark house trying to make that snap decision. But if the execution was ordered in advance, then I say we should be told that now, and we can like it or not like it."
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He sure is dead. Dead or Alive actually means something ya know. 50/50. He had 100/0 for far too long and killed innocent and unarmed men, women and children whilst alive. He didn’t hide well enough. Shot in his underpants whilst unarmed. Made me smile. Couldn't think of a better scenario. Much better that way than shot dead carrying an AK47 and strapped with a vest full of semtex. Those 7.62's can do some serious damage to a Navy Seals chest and that semtex is a bastard to get off ya clothes. A perfect operation with minimal life lost and a wanted target eliminated. Next please. Got every lunatic on the planet looking over their shoulder. About time too. Was he assassinated? Who cares!
 
SatansMaleVoiceChoir said:
Hello, soldier here.

I have been in the army for 20 years, and spent nearly 3 years with an SF Unit. I have never used any kind of sniper rifle, but have been trained to use an SMG, SLR, SA-80 rifle, 9mm Browning Pistol, 9mm Sig Sauer 229 pistol, GPMG, MP5, HK53, and Chieftain/Challenger 120mm Main armament. Regardless of range, weapon, or SF scenario the drill when engaging ANY target is "aim for the centre of the observed mass". NEVER have I seen ANY soldier trained/training in shooting weapons from a combatant's hand, or shooting to wound. NO 'sharpshooter' in the WORLD would attempt this during the chaos of a firefight; are we seriously expected to believe that everybody involved would stand perfectly still, not firing, while someone carefully aimed at a pistol at the weapon in OBL's unmoving hand then shot at it hoping to disarm him? REALLY?! :jaw-dropp

I would suggest a 'sharpshooter' would be lucky to hit a static beachball at 20m if they were subject to effective enemy fire from the same distance - never mind a dime - simply because nobody would be so bloody stupid as to stand there in those circumstances and sight in on something that relatively small. Absolute idiocy, and completely non-existent outside a Hollywood film.


Check this out:

http://mythbustersresults.com/unarmed-and-unharmed

I actually watched this episode, and of the six times (shown) that they tried to shoot a weapon from someone's hand (replicating the forces involved), the weapon was only dropped twice.

I would suggest luck plays a big part in any firefight, but only an absolute IDIOT with a death wish would choose to rely solely on it for success.
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Yet the 5.56 was designed to incapacitate as well as kill. Reasoning behind that was to take 3 enemy out of the picture rather than just one. Two to carry the injured rather than one dead and two to continue the fight.

Whilst equiped with the latest assault rifle, aiming for the largest body mass becomes irrelevent at about 100 metres. Ya just hit the target, which is likely to be moving fast, and hit it again if ya need to. Snipers aim for the head. In reality, this discussion has absolutely no bearing on distances over 30 metres.
 
Jackanory said:
No **** sherlock. In the aftermath of Bin Laden's death it was clearly stated in this very thread that it is not unusual for various units, regardless of cap badge, to wear helmet cams as routine. Did you miss that? Have you never seen your fellow servicemen wearing these cameras soldier? You do surprise me. Are you telling me that your opos didnt wear them in NI, Iraq and Afghanistan? really? Perhaps you were a REMF? Slop Jocky? HQ?
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To answer your questions- No, regular combat soldiers never wore anything other than NVGs on our Kevlar helmets when I was in Iraq (April, '03- March, '04).

A REMF? No, I was a Combat Engineer and we spent the vast majority of our time outside the wire. Any other stupid questions?
 
Jackanory said:
He sure is dead. Dead or Alive actually means something ya know. 50/50. He had 100/0 for far too long and killed innocent and unarmed men, women and children whilst alive. He didn’t hide well enough. Shot in his underpants whilst unarmed. Made me smile. Couldn't think of a better scenario. Much better that way than shot dead carrying an AK47 and strapped with a vest full of semtex. Those 7.62's can do some serious damage to a Navy Seals chest and that semtex is a bastard to get off ya clothes. A perfect operation with minimal life lost and a wanted target eliminated. Next please. Got every lunatic on the planet looking over their shoulder. About time too. Was he assassinated? Who cares!
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This bin Laden thing seems to have flipped a lot of people right over the edge!
 
triforcharity said:
No Jihad, he was asking for evidence that it was "objective". That blog is not "objective".
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But Triforc, "Objective, thorough analysis" is just a by-line, like "Fair and Balanced".

If "Dave" wants to look at the evidence he just has to look at the blog.

You say it's not objective. Has it, in your opinion, missed out some important events or news items that you think it should have included?
 
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