"Dr" Steve Pieczenik

[Childlike Empress]

Yeah, I'm trying to do my expenses, and getting mad at the radio isn't productive. 15 minutes was plenty, and no new news. Is there another interview where Dr. P has new news?

As you heard, it was kind of a follow-up interview to the two Alex Jones interviews, discussing a broader perspective. I didn't listen to the AJ interviews and will not do so, so i can't tell what he claims there. This thread is about his credentials.

 

[Dave Rogers]

As you heard, it was kind of a follow-up interview to the two Alex Jones interviews, discussing a broader perspective. I didn't listen to the AJ interviews and will not do so, so i can't tell what he claims there. This thread is about his credentials.

But, let me remind you, you claimed that Mackey was in error in saying he was not offering new and insightful comment on 9/11 from a truther perspective. For all that your sole justification for this was that he's not dead yet, one might suggest that you owe Mackey an apology for suggesting that the timer should be reset when you don't even know yourself whether he's saying anything new.

Dave

 

[Childlike Empress]

But, let me remind you, you claimed that Mackey was in error in saying he was not offering new and insightful comment on 9/11 from a truther perspective. For all that your sole justification for this was that he's not dead yet, one might suggest that you owe Mackey an apology for suggesting that the timer should be reset when you don't even know yourself whether he's saying anything new.

Dave

This is not true, Dave. Mackey's error regarding Dr. P was his following statement in his "challenge" thread, which he has not admitted to be plain false even after being asked to do so by me, and which the OP of this thread here has repeated - I had to correct him.

If you Google the story above, we find that despite the fresh date on the webpage, the "interview" with Dr. Pieczenik (Peacenik?? Nom de plume?) took place in 2002.

This is a singularly good example of negative progress in the Truth Movement. Even the "top insider" seems to have moved on, but the nuts haven't.

 

[Dave Rogers]

This is not true, Dave.

Mackey's thread clearly asked for new and insightful content from the Truth Movement, at which he'd reset the timer. You asked why he didn't reset it for Dr. P, which is equivalent to a claim that Dr. P had produced something new and insightful. You now reveal that you have no idea what he's been saying about 9/11 since 2002.

I'm beginning to agree with EMH here. You're getting embarrassing to watch.

Dave

 

[Childlike Empress]

You asked why he didn't reset it for Dr. P

You mean this post?

You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. Peacenik, Mackey. He's alive and kicking, not some figure from 2002 as you claimed. Why doesn't he reset the timer?

As you can see, that was a direct follow-up to his embarrasing refusal to acknowledge his error, and shortly after I had concerned myself with listening to something by Pieczenik. I tried to force him to show the intellectual honesty he pretends to demand from "truthers". He failed.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Now leave this thread for the people who want to check Pieczenik's credentials, Dave.

 

[Pardalis]

Schnell!

 

[beachnut]

...
Read HERE, a transcript of Steve Pieczenik being interviewed by Alex Jones way back in April 2002. In that interview Pieczenik claims that Osama Bin Laden died the year previously (2001) . ...
Compus

Is Steve pieczenik a moron who makes up nonsense, or a failed BS artist? He is a perfect fit for PrisonPlanet, the place for nonsense, and crazy BS.

And you could see those in those films, those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean, suddenly, we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere, they said oh it was sent to us anonymously, meaning that someone in the government, our government, was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when, in fact, he's been dead for months.

Alex Jones finds BS master Steve Pieczenik. This is the kind of nut who spreads lies. He is a fiction writer.

I was going to say Steve Pieczenik was wrong, he is, and he is evidence free, a paranoid conspiracy theory BS expert.

Steve Pieczenik is fully accredited, his credentials have been checked, he is an expert at BS, he shovels it as deep as the best.

 

[Pardalis]

Has this Pieczenik been interviewed by real journalists? If he has something valid and truly interesting to say, it should interest real media.

Alex Jones' show isn't the kind of show one usually considers credible.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I tried to force him to show the intellectual honesty he pretends to demand from "truthers". He failed.

"Why doesn't he reset the timer?"

So you're complaining that he hasn't acknowledged that a new and insightful comment has come in the last few days from someone who, you now admit, to the best of your knowledge hasn't made a new comment on 9/11 since 2002. Are you the only one who doesn't see how bad this makes you look?

Now leave this thread for the people who want to check Pieczenik's credentials, Dave.

I didn't know you were running the forum now. Why would anyone want to check his credentials when he hasn't said anything relevant for nine years?

Dave

 

[Childlike Empress]

You're now on the defensive because you misunderstood what error of Mackey's I was talking about. I corrected you in #103. Read my posts in the other thread and understand that my assessment of Mackey's "challenge" has nothing to do with Pieczenik.

BTW, he was brought up with an article which reports that he is now prepared to testify in front of a Grand Jury together with the General he doesn't want to name in the interview. Those are new claims. I didn't check if the article correctly describes what he said, but i've read it. The interview is in post #3 of this thread.

Better not try this nonsense with me, Dave. Now leave this thread alone. Take it over there if you insist.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You're now on the defensive because you misunderstood what error of Mackey's I was talking about. I corrected you in #103. Read my posts in the other thread and understand that my assessment of Mackey's "challenge" has nothing to do with Pieczenik.

Now you really are lying. As you quoted yourself as saying:

You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. Peacenik, Mackey. He's alive and kicking, not some figure from 2002 as you claimed. Why doesn't he reset the timer?

You're criticising Mackey's challenge on the basis that he hasn't reset the timer for Pieczenik. Your assessment of Mackey's challenge has, therefore, significantly more than "nothing" to do with Pieczenik. Assuming that you're capable of following your own thought processes, you must therefore be lying when you claim otherwise.

But no doubt you'll come up with some bizarre rationalisation that makes you believe you haven't lied. Let me know if you convince anyone else.

BTW, he was brought up with an article which reports that he is now prepared to testify in front of a Grand Jury together with the General he doesn't want to name in the interview. Those are new claims.

No, they're not. They're an attempt to repeat old claims in a new venue.

Better not try this nonsense with me, Dave. Now leave this thread alone. Take it over there if you insist.

I will continue, if I choose, to discuss the relevance and novelty of the claims made by Dr. Pieczenik, and your blatant lie concerning the relevance of those claims and your knowledge of them to your assessment of Mackey's challenge, in an appropriate thread: namely, the thread dedicated to discussion of Dr. Pieczenik. If you want to report me for posting on-topic, best of luck with that.

Dave

 

[Childlike Empress]

I will continue

Nope, you won't continue because I won't continue to discuss off-topic with you. Maybe read the first pages of the other thread to get who brought up Pieczenik, who corrected Mackey and what I said before that happened.

 

[NoahFence]

If we all promise to say "you win" will you go away?

 

[carlitos]

They're an attempt to repeat old claims in a new venue.

I remember John Conyers' show trial to impeach Bush in the basement of the capitol. Maybe they could do something like that.

 

[Kent1]

What a shallow load of crap.
Putting aside that fact that its likely he didn't have serious kidney problems.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/osama-bin-laden-top-health-rumors/story?id=13518880
http://live.washingtonpost.com/osama-bin-laden-five-myths-0509.html
(Aside from various other articles Bin Laden interview etc.)
Pieczenik says

"And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spelled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan. Well, he was one of few that knew that he had a kidney problem. That wasn�t well known before. Everybody thought he had a heart disease"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_042402_pieczenik.html

Here Pieczenik is claiming some sort of specialized knowledge into Bin Ladens health that everyone thought he had heart disease and that Musharraf had "spelled the beans by accident". Yet you can go back to numerous articles discussing his possible kidney problem, going back to even March of 2000.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/kidney.asp

The rest mirrors outdated conspiracy claims taken straight from the web mixed with MKUltra, UNOCAL, and the Carlyle Group.
Pieczenik should learn how to use Google better before he comes up with his next fantasy claim.

 

[beachnut]

Nope, you won't continue because I won't continue to discuss off-topic with you. Maybe read the first pages of the other thread to get who brought up Pieczenik, who corrected Mackey and what I said before that happened.

Steve Pieczenik is a BS artist, he has nothing new, he makes insane claims, and failed. This is not new, idiots making up lies and calling everyone liars. What happens to liars Steve, they self-destruct. Steve is nuts.

Steve regurgitates his old failed junk from 9 years ago. FAIL

9 years ago he said 911 was a false flag.
UBL is dead, he said 9 years ago.
The CIA sent in doctor.

What a bunch of nonsense, he was not inside to have the intel he claims he had. Steve is liar, and he self-destructed, he writes fiction.

Steve seems to be a racist nut case who makes up BS, dumb junk; old debunked junk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeoMPzSWQQM

Paik is pointing to the south flight path. CE, is wrong. Mackey is right. 911 truth debunked on September 11, 2001. RIP

 

[Oz1976]

You're now on the defensive because you misunderstood what error of Mackey's I was talking about. I corrected you in #103. Read my posts in the other thread and understand that my assessment of Mackey's "challenge" has nothing to do with Pieczenik.

BTW, he was brought up with an article which reports that he is now prepared to testify in front of a Grand Jury together with the General he doesn't want to name in the interview. Those are new claims. I didn't check if the article correctly describes what he said, but i've read it. The interview is in post #3 of this thread.

Better not try this nonsense with me, Dave. Now leave this thread alone. Take it over there if you insist.

Unfortunately for the Truth Movement, Steve Pieczniek can NOT testify. His testimony is inadmissable, it's solely hearsay from this mysterious General. The General COULD testify, IF 1) he was in a position to know that which he is testifying to, and 2) if they would even convene a Grand Jury on the matter based solely on the possible hearsay testimony of one General. The preponderance of the evidence pointing towards OBL and Al'qaida suggests this will never happen.

More and more I think the reason for these recent interviews and proclomations are nothing more than a publicity stunt...why? What is Dr. Steve's one true known profession? Writer.

I forsee a book release in the not too distant future.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Drs. Neustadt and Pieczenik were recognized by Elsevier as being one of the Top Ten Cited Authors in 2007 & 2008 for their article, "Mitochondrial dysfunction and molecular pathways of disease." This article was published in the journal, Experimental and Molecular Pathology. The article discusses the possible underlying biochemical causes and treatments for many health problems, such as depression, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic fatigue syndrome and Alzheimer’s disease. Elsevier is the world’s largest publisher of science and health information, providing valuable information to more than 30 million scientists, students and health and information professionals worldwide.

Elsevier's search engine ScienceDirect delivers the article. 60 citations. Author vitae:

Steve R. Pieczenik, MD, PhD, trained at Cornell Medical College (MD), Harvard Medical College (Mass. Mental Health, Psychiatry), and MIT (PhD). Dr. Pieczenik is a Board Certified Psychiatrist and was a Board Examiner in Psychiatry and Neurology. He is the Chairman of Nutritional Biochemistry, Incorporated, which has conducted extensive research into the integration of medicine and mitochondrial dysfunction.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Elsevier's search engine ScienceDirect delivers the article. 60 citations. Author vitae:

We might as well list every scientific paper he's known to have co-authored. Here's the other one:

John Neustadt and Steve R. Pieczenik. Medication-induced mitochondrial damage and disease. Molecular Nutrition & Food Research, 52: 780–788. doi: 10.1002/mnfr.200700075.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.200700075/abstract
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