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Anti-English discrimination in Quebec

Architect said:
I've looked at that link but can't find the item you refer to regarding the banning and subsequent decline of Danish in Brussels. Can you please be specific?
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You can read more on the Frenchification of Brussels here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenchification_of_Brussels

We can clearly see that the banning of the Dutch language during the French rule, among other factors, had an impact on the language shift of the country.
 
Canadian712 said:
You can read more on the Frenchification of Brussels here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenchification_of_Brussels

We can clearly see that the banning of the Dutch language during the French rule, among other factors, had an impact on the language shift of the country.
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There are two issues that give me cause for significant concern regarding your understanding of language issues in Belgium, indeed your research skills generally.

Firstly, you've cited Wiki without any alternative sources or caveats.

Secondly, and this is perhaps key, until this last post you thought that people in Belgium spoke Danish rather than Dutch.


If you can't tell the difference between Denmark and Belgium that I really have to wonder at the scope for educated argument.
 
If only Canadian712 had invested as much time and energy in learning French as he/she has in carping about the fact that the ability to speak French appears to be a requirement for service sector jobs in a province of Canada which is predominantly French speaking then he/she would be happily flipping burgers right now.

Canadian712 has been throwing around serious allegations of ethnic cleansing and anglo-harassment. Is there any evidence of this at all or is this the whaaaaaaah! of the WASP who does not recognise the whip hand they hold and instead carps about the unfairness of systems designed to make the system fairer for all.
 
But Belgium is a nightmare. They've systematically pushed out their large ethnic Danish community and now there are only French and Dutch/Flemish speakers left. There's not been anything like it since Napolean deported all the Japanese speakers from Luxembourg as part of his Second Campaign.
 
The Don said:
If only Canadian712 had invested as much time and energy in learning French as he/she has in carping about the fact that the ability to speak French appears to be a requirement for service sector jobs in a province of Canada which is predominantly French speaking then he/she would be happily flipping burgers right now.

Canadian712 has been throwing around serious allegations of ethnic cleansing and anglo-harassment. Is there any evidence of this at all or is this the whaaaaaaah! of the WASP who does not recognise the whip hand they hold and instead carps about the unfairness of systems designed to make the system fairer for all.
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-300 000 English speakers have left Quebec
-No more "English" health institutions in Quebec and no longer allowed to run our health institutions in the language of our choice
-Well over 100 schools have been closed
-Anglophones make up 0.8% of the provincial civil service

That's just for starters...And FYI...je parle bien le francais,mais pour obtenir un emploi avec le gouvernement du Québec, vous devez être un francophone. Parler parfaitement le français n'est pas suffisant.If you look a few posts back, this was the stated objective of the Conseil de Patronat(the largest employment agency in Quebec).
 
Architect said:
There are two issues that give me cause for significant concern regarding your understanding of language issues in Belgium, indeed your research skills generally.

Firstly, you've cited Wiki without any alternative sources or caveats.

Secondly, and this is perhaps key, until this last post you thought that people in Belgium spoke Danish rather than Dutch.


If you can't tell the difference between Denmark and Belgium that I really have to wonder at the scope for educated argument.
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My bad, I meant to say Dutch. I get confused between the 2 for some off reason. Silly of me. And secondly, why don't read the entire article before shooting the messenger? Most claims are sourced. All you gotta do is scroll down at the bottom.

Although I'm not entirely educated on the linguistic situation in Brussels, I have said that the Frenchification policies were one AMONG MANY FACTORS leading to the current linguistic tensions there.
 
Canadian712 said:
je parle bien le francais,mais pour obtenir un emploi avec le gouvernement du Québec, vous devez être un francophone. Parler parfaitement le français n'est pas suffisant.
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Really? Because that's not what you've said before:

Canadian712 said:
If you absolutely must know, I have many difficulties with the French language. I've had many tutors in the past, including in CEGEP, but no avail. Having gone to English public school all your life plus having 99% of friends who are Anglo does not really help. Most other jobs I've had prior were in very Anglo environments.
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So which is it? And, insmuch as one of the statements must be false, why do you feel the need to lie here on the forum?
 
Canadian712 said:
My bad, I meant to say Dutch. I get confused between the 2 for some off reason. Silly of me. And secondly, why don't read the entire article before shooting the messenger? Most claims are sourced. All you gotta do is scroll down at the bottom.

Although I'm not entirely educated on the linguistic situation in Brussels, I have said that the Frenchification policies were one AMONG MANY FACTORS leading to the current linguistic tensions there.
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I asked you a number of times to clarify the reference and you consistently referred to Danish. I'm sorry, but it fosters gey little faith in your research skills.
 
My goodness, someone seems to have gone awfully quiet all of a sudden.
 
According to most recent census results (Scotland and Wales 2001, Quebec)

People in Scotland: 5,062,011

People in Scotland who speak Scots Gaelic: 58,652

Percentage of the population: 1.2



People in Wales: 2,903,085

People in Wales who speak Welsh: 611,000

Percentage of the population: 21.7


People in Quebec: 7,546,131

People in Quebec who speak French only, or gave French as the sole answer to the language question: 5,877,660

Percentage of the population: 80.1%




I don't think French needs all that much protecting in Quebec, does it?

If it does, then give it official language status in Quebec, or at least minority language status in Canada as a whole, like Scots or Welsh are.

Might that not help?
 
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You misunderstand my answer: I don't think that giving French official minority status in Canada is in itself sufficient inasmuch as there is an overwhelming Anglophone hegemony which introduces significant pressure - not least commercially - and may require additional measures to level the playing field. So, for example, the requirement to speak English in the workplace effectively displaces French (or other minority languages).

Turning to Gaelic, I support normalisation rather than steps to impose it on the predominantly English speaking parts of the country (the introduction of Gaelic language road signs in, say, Dumfries would be bizarre). Within the Gaidhealtachd I would personally like to say Gaelic medium edication as the norm, even for incoming families, and the language fostered as the principle medium in public sector bodies such as the Comhairle.
 
Architect said:
I asked you a number of times to clarify the reference and you consistently referred to Danish. I'm sorry, but it fosters gey little faith in your research skills.
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I gave you the Wiki link on the Frenchification of Belgium. All the sources are at the bottom and the reason I did that is because most sources are written in Dutch and/or in French. Read the link , as most claims are sourced.
 
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