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Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

Skeptic said:
The UN human rights commission now wants the details of the operation -- to make sure it complied with international law, of course. Bet you couldn't see that one coming.
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Do you have their email address?

I could drop them a line informing them that this was not legal under international law.

Save them some work.
 
Rodney said:
The problem with your logic is that Bin Laden began living in his Pakistan compound 5-6 years ago. Had U.S. intelligence gotten lucky with Bin Laden the way it did with Saddam, Bin Laden would have been tracked down before Obama became President. So, while I applaud Obama for continuing the pursuit of Bin Laden, I can't identify anything that he did in that pursuit that Bush did not do.
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Bush IIRC, cut funding and wasn't entirely focused on bin laden. He seemed to be more focused on hussein et al. in Iraq.

But, I will agree that both presidents deserve much credit.
 
Skeptic said:
The UN human rights commission now wants the details of the operation -- to make sure it complied with international law, of course. Bet you couldn't see that one coming.
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Yeah, how dare they want facts.
 
Skeptic said:
The UN human rights commission now wants the details of the operation -- to make sure it complied with international law, of course. Bet you couldn't see that one coming.
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Well, since the US has not recognized the legitimacy of the International Court of Justice, I'm not sure what they expect here... unless i'm missing something.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Under Bush the CIA task force looking for Osama was disbanded.
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According to a July 4, 2006 New York Times article:

"The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.

"'The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever,' said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. 'This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus.'" See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
 
RedIbis said:
Yeah, how dare they want facts.
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I'll bet they do. Most leaders of the countries on the UN's human rights commission (Libya, Syria...) are more or less next in line for such operations by the US, so the more facts they get about how the raid happened, the more likely they are to prepare for such a raid on themselves.
 
Skeptic said:
I'll bet they do. Most leaders of the countries on the UN's human rights commission (Libya, Syria...) are more or less next in line for such operations by the US, so the more facts they get about how the raid happened, the more likely they are to prepare for such a raid on themselves.
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Neither Lybia nor Syria are current members of the Human Rights Council.
 
Yup, I forgot -- Libya was just kicked out and Syria was just elected instead... a real changing of the guard, that.
 
Rodney said:
According to a July 4, 2006 New York Times article:

"The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.

"'The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever,' said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. 'This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus.'" See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
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I already linked to this report.

See my whole post on Bush's ball drop.
 
Rodney said:
If you truly believe that -- "Bush wasn't looking for him seriously and after 2005, not much at all" -- you should be working for the Daily Kos, which will be happy to indulge your fantasies.
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It was not his chief priority, nor did he have an effective staff under his direct command doing anything useful.

Rummy and Porter Goss were pretty much a waste of government funds. The military successes and intelligence gathering feats were more in spite of their bumbling and wanton berserker tactics than because of them.
 
Rodney said:
If you truly believe that -- "Bush wasn't looking for him seriously and after 2005, not much at all" -- you should be working for the Daily Kos, which will be happy to indulge your fantasies.
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You can believe what your bias confirms. I base my conclusion on:

Bush's own words
Bush gong after Saddam and letting Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora
The dissolution of the CIA task force looking for Bin Laden since 1996, established by Clinton and ended under Bush
The fact Bush did not get Bin Laden

Your evidence appears to be what you believe was likely, but you don't have evidence to back up that supposition.
 
So I walk into a bar and the barperson said, "Would you like a Bin Laden cocktail?"
I say, "What's that?"
 
This just in: He's still dead. We anticipate his imminent swim to the surface, to forever wander the Earth while feasting on the flesh of the living.
 
What is the UN going to do if they determine that the operation was illegal? Arrest Obama and take him to the The Hague? lol
 
Kinda embarrassing for Pakistan that an American commando team was flown right into the heart of the country and then taken back out. I wonder if India was taking notes?
 
Travis said:
Kinda embarrassing for Pakistan that an American commando team was flown right into the heart of the country and then taken back out. I wonder if India was taking notes?
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I'd be amazed if Pakistan were not complicit in this operation, while maintaining plausible deniability and thus being able to put on a public show of outrage.
 
Travis said:
Kinda embarrassing for Pakistan that an American commando team was flown right into the heart of the country and then taken back out. I wonder if India was taking notes?
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I wonder if India has secret, peviously unseen stealth helicopters?
 
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