Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Tinfoil Hater]

The question is not why do deniers hate the Jews, but rather, why do the Jews hate non-Jews. .

I'm curious- since you refuse to believe the Holocaust ever happened- what are your views on Hitler and the Nazi party? Do you think Hitler was just a swell guy, harshly judged by history? I suspect your walls are covered in all manner of Nazi bricabrac, from swastika flags to pictures of your Nazi heroes.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Well, you should look him up. Tacitus too.

Whatever his faults, or admirable qualities, he seems to have understood that the Holocaust, which he survived, did occur.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Of course you don't. And they were either dated or not dated.

On 10 Dec, as you know the Calendar says, the transport that Czech reported coming from Malkinia brought "Approximately 2,500 Jewish men, women, and children" to Auschwitz; "After the selection, 524 men are admitted to the camp and receive Nos. 81400-81923. The remaining 1,976 people are killed in the gas chambers." (No reference) On this same day, Salmen Lewenthal was admitted to the camp.

The transport recorded from Malkinia on 12 Dec worked out pretty much the same: "The transport consisted of approximately 2,000 Jewish men, women, and children. After the selection of 422 men and women, the remaining 1,578 people are killed in the gas chambers." (No reference)

These references in Czech do not seem to support a shipment of Jews through a hygienic way-station to a life of rest, or toil, in the east; rather, you may have helped us locate Chaim Rumkowski after all--and not in Пермь.

So where or what was Durchgangslager Malkinia - was it Treblinka or was it not.

Why ship 4000 Jews from Treblinka to gas them at Auschwitz if there were perfectly good gas chambers at Treblinka?

 

[MG1962]

So where or what was Durchgangslager Malkinia - was it Treblinka or was it not.

Why ship 4000 Jews from Treblinka to gas them at Auschwitz if there were perfectly good gas chambers at Treblinka?

Why send 850,000 to Treblinka, to send them on to somewhere else, BUT send 4000 back

Or...850,000 go to Treblinka, but only 4000 come back. Any suggestions on the other 846,000?

 

[little grey rabbit]

Why send 850,000 to Treblinka, to send them on to somewhere else, BUT send 4000 back

Or...850,000 go to Treblinka, but only 4000 come back. Any suggestions on the other 846,000?

If Jews aren't interested in where they are, why on earth should I be?

I just know they aren't or weren't under the small patch of ground at Treblinka II - beyond that I care as much as you do.

 

[LemmyCaution]

So where or what was Durchgangslager Malkinia - was it Treblinka or was it not.

Why ship 4000 Jews from Treblinka to gas them at Auschwitz if there were perfectly good gas chambers at Treblinka?

You misunderstand. The Czech entries don't help your cause, of course; but the point is the documents. Dated or not dated. What is Czech's source, you know, the document you don't have a copy of yourself and will not point us to? How do we know that the reference to where the transport came from is right?

 

[MG1962]

If Jews aren't interested in where they are, why on earth should I be?

Oh the Jews know exactly where these people are. It is you who wont admit the answer

I just know they aren't or weren't under the small patch of ground at Treblinka II - beyond that I care as much as you do.

Lets see if you have the gonads to take the challenge. How many people can you fit in a hole 300 yards x 300 yards by 4 yards?

 

[little grey rabbit]

I don't know that they have been correctly reference, but I find it extra-ordinary the Czech would invent a "Durchgangslager Malkinia"

She gives references
APMO, D-AuI-5/4, Registro
dell’obitorio, p. 44;
Mat. RO., vol. VI, f. 26 A
and
APMO, Mat. RO., vol. VI,
f. 26 C


In anycase it is an official publication of the Auschwitz Museum, it would be certainly interesting to know the documentary basis of these exact registration numbers - but I for one don't doubt they are correct.

Perhaps you could ask the Auschwitz museum yourself? My questions never get answered.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Oh the Jews know exactly where these people are. It is you who wont admit the answer



Lets see if you have the gonads to take the challenge. How many people can you fit in a hole 300 yards x 300 yards by 4 yards?

I have no idea - but I will accept your answer without cavail.

 

[MG1962]

I have no idea - but I will accept your answer without cavail.

Odd response given your surety they could not be in the area described at Treblinka

 

[little grey rabbit]

Odd response given your surety they could not be in the area described at Treblinka

I find it odd that anyone thinks 800 000 people were buried in your 300 yards square area and then dug up and incinerated to leave know trace.

It is a bit like claims that the entire world's population could stand on Manhatten island. That is not an exceptional claim. An exceptional claim would be if the entire world's population did.

 

[MG1962]

I find it odd that anyone thinks 800 000 people were buried in your 300 yards square area and then dug up and incinerated to leave know trace.

Who said anything about 800,000 buried in that area? Wanna have a crack at the answer?

 

[little grey rabbit]

Who said anything about 800,000 buried in that area? Wanna have a crack at the answer?

I would prefer to know what you think happened.

 

[MG1962]

I would prefer to know what you think happened.

Sure - under the first commander of the camp, processes fell behind in the disposing of those already killed. As complaints filtered in from the nearby village, the commander was replaced, a steam shovel brought in. Those not buried were burned first over what can only be described as a giant BBQ grill made of railway sleepers and rails, the balance were dug up using the shovel and disposed of in the same manner. After a major break out, operations petered out and the approach of Soviet forces lead the Germans to plant trees and other flora over the pits to disguise their operation

Your turn...how many would fit in the dimensions I gave you

 

[little grey rabbit]

Sure - under the first commander of the camp, processes fell behind in the disposing of those already killed. As complaints filtered in from the nearby village, the commander was replaced, a steam shovel brought in. Those not buried were burned first over what can only be described as a giant BBQ grill made of railway sleepers and rails, the balance were dug up using the shovel and disposed of in the same manner. After a major break out, operations petered out and the approach of Soviet forces lead the Germans to plant trees and other flora over the pits to disguise their operation

Your turn...how many would fit in the dimensions I gave you

How about a million?

So you can give no estimations on the dimensions of the mass graves you believe at Treblinka and number you believe were buried?

You just hide behind hand-waving.

Traditionally it is stated that these large scale grills (obviously fictional) were only constructed after Himmler's visit in Feb 1942. Do you agree with that?

 

[Clayton Moore]

World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359,
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

The figures speak for themselves. The 6 million figure is obviously not the true one and no one should be attacked for suggesting that the true figure was smaller.

History should be concerned with facts and not twisted by hysteria.

As I said before the Holocaust and the sadness for those Jews who suffered and survived the concentration camps was always real. When the Holocaust Industry became a showcase the lies and exaggerations which were once unimportant now became insulting.

Insisting that the lies and exaggerations are true is a crime against Germans, dead and alive. It's a theft of generations of German dignity by false accusations of genocide.

It's time for the Holocaust liars to back the hell off. Nothing good can come of insisting that the lies are the truth.

When the computer models of what could have happened are programmed, as many historical events have been, it will be over and the Holocaust industry go bankrupt.

 

[little grey rabbit]

World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359,
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

The figures speak for themselves. The 6 million figure is obviously not the true one and no one should be attacked for suggesting that the true figure was smaller.

History should be concerned with facts and not twisted by hysteria.

As I said before the Holocaust and the sadness for those Jews who suffered and survived the concentration camps was always real. When the Holocaust Industry became a showcase the lies and exaggerations which were once unimportant now became insulting.

Insisting that the lies and exaggerations are true is a crime against Germans, dead and alive. It's a theft of generations of German dignity by false accusations of genocide.

It's time for the Holocaust liars to back the hell off. Nothing good can come of insisting that the lies are the truth.

When the computer models of what could have happened are programmed, as many historical events have been, it will be over and the Holocaust industry go bankrupt.

I had no idea that the World Almanac conducted censuses (censi?)

 

[MG1962]

How about a million?

Try 6 million, and they are still there

So you can give no estimations on the dimensions of the mass graves you believe at Treblinka and number you believe were buried?

Did you ask me too? No. You asked what happened

Traditionally it is stated that these large scale grills (obviously fictional) were only constructed after Himmler's visit in Feb 1942. Do you agree with that?

They were ficitious enough to be mentioned in 1961 as a way to conduct large scale body removal in the aftermath of a nuclear bomb atack. And if you say Himler order the pits built three months before the camp was, who am I to argue

 

[little grey rabbit]

Try 6 million, and they are still there



Did you ask me too? No. You asked what happened

So the record shows you don't believe large numbers of people were buried at Treblinka and you will keep ducking the question.

Fair enough.

They were ficitious enough to be mentioned in 1961 as a way to conduct large scale body removal in the aftermath of a nuclear bomb atack. And if you say Himler order the pits built three months before the camp was, who am I to argue

Indeed, since Polish newspapers based in London announced people were being murdered in Treblinka II 2 weeks before it opened, it is really quite normal for Holocuast Historiography

Die Polnische Tageszeitung, eine Zeitung der polnischen Exilreigerung in London, gibt am 11.Juli 1942 eine Pressekonferenz des britischen Informationsministers vom 9.Juli 1942 wieder, auf der der exil-polnische Innenminister S. Mikolajczyk under dem Kapital "Abschlachten der Juden" folgendes wörtlich ausführte:
Alles in allem wurden diese Nacht 2.500 Menschen ermordet und die restlichen 25,000 Leute wurden in Lager nach Belzec und Tremblinka weggebracht. In Izbica Kujawska wurden 8000 Individuen in unbekannte Richtung weggetrieben. In Belzec und Tremblinka werden die Menschen angeblich mit Giftgas getötet

Anyway, summoned up the coverage to give what you think are the numbers buried and the dimensions of the mass grave?

I quite understand if you don't wish to - I am under no illusion that you actually believe these fairytales.

 

[TSR]

World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359,
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

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... the last being clearly identified as an estimate.

BTW, what do your handlers tell you can be found in 1949 edition?
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