Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

[I Ratant]

At the JFK Wing at Parkland General Hospital, with Elvis, Judge Crater and the crew from the Marie Celeste... and the fliers from Flight 19.

 

[Kumar]

Back on the Osama topic:

No evidence that it was Osama whom they killed. It is possible but not proven.

No corpse left to test its DNA, if anyone has a tissue sample of him to compare it with anyway.

Btw if you think otherwise, what can be the purpose of US for declaring him dead?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

From your own link, Marcinko hand-picked the original members of SEAL Team 6 and named it as well. I never claimed that his statement indicated a kill directive, even if that's what you're reading into it. I do think that it's not unlikely that the founder's personal philosophy would be imprinted upon that organization - knowing a few SEALs myself, admittedly this is anecdotal, Marcinko holds a legendary status.

Oh, and here's the quote (language NSFW):

http://books.google.com/books?id=TY...&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Bottom of page 15 in his first novel written without a professional co-author (his novels are first-person with himself as the protagonist, so I think it fair to consider what he says about his character's philosophy to mirror his own - certainly I saw no change from the autobiography, except for for an increase in the scale of vulgarity after ditching the co-author).

You "never claimed that his statement indicated a kill directive," you just decided to post it coincidentally during a debate about whether there was 'evidence' of a directive not to take Bin Laden alive. I see.

As for the quote, I never doubted the guy said it. He was selling a book and a radio persona.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And yet you don't trust the thousands of scientists who support the official story of 9/11.

Touche'.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Would you trust a thousand American scientists telling what my shoe size probably is, who have not actually seen and measured my shoes?

If evidence does not exist, then scientific truths don´t exist either, just a neutral list of possibilities and probabilities. The problem is that some refuse to acknowledge this, and insist that the truth is known, and some of the possible alternatives are certainly true and some of the possible alternatives are certainly not true, even in the absence of evidence that would prove these assertions. That is not a skeptical standpoint.

This is a common rationalization used to discount valid scientific evidence and opinion. Somehow the vast majority of experts have been duped and only one or two can see the 'truth'. The underlying premise that everyone but the truthers have been duped is unsupportable.

The vast majority of the scientific and engineering community that has looked at ALL the evidence, including all the truther claims, images, etc, failed to find the truther conclusions have any merit. One or two engineers out of thousands have lent their credentials to the truther conclusion.

You are experiencing an extreme form of confirmation bias to rely on the conclusions of a couple nut jobs over thousands of experts.


Edited to add, I see the mod comments after posting this. My intent was to comment on confirmation bias, not the WTC directly. If any mods prefer to delete the post, feel free.

 

[Quad4_72]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/jk_mellifera/OsamaFacebook.jpg

That is sooo fake someone totally photoshopped that. I am the best skeptic I know.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What's NASA got to do with killing bin Laden?....

How quickly people lose track of the conversation.

By his logic, the moon landing was a hoax as well.

Is there a reason why you choose the default position of believing a governing structure that has repeatedly lied to you?

I'm not aware NASA has been exposed lying to the American public. They may have been ordered to stop talking about global warming and the Big Bang, but they never resorted to lying when that happened.

You really need to find a palate with narrower brushes. If our government were that cohesive we be in big trouble.

What's NASA got to do with killing bin Laden?....

Hope that clears it up for you, but if not, I'll try again.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No, it's the basis of my understanding of this trivial fact the truth value of which is irrelevant to my life. Did you even read the post you were replying to ? Do you ever ?

Did you? Do you ever?

Skeptic Ginger: Sounds like they could have taken Bin Laden alive and either didn't intend to or were acting too quickly and assumed Bin Laden was going for, or had a weapon. I think the latter is a reasonable scenario.

Pardalis: I think the intent was to go in and kill him. At least that's what I heard. I don't think they had any intention of taking him alive.

Belz: That's how I understand it as well. I don't think they wanted him alive.

SG to Pardalis: That's what you heard from whom? Surely no one in a position to know has said anything of the kind.

SG to Belz: It's reasonable to speculate, but it is odd that people are claiming they have "heard" or they "understand" as if the fact is out there.

Belz: That's how I understand it FROM THIS THREAD, Ginger.
Glad to see you're in your usual intolerable mood.

SG to Belz: So this thread is your evidence?
I don't tolerate unsubstantiated claims of fact. The first supposed actual evidence it was a kill mission not a capture or kill was the rumor in Ausmerican's Politico link, "an official recalled". It was posted after your statement of 'understanding'.

Belz: No, it's the basis of my understanding of this trivial fact the truth value of which is irrelevant to my life. Did you even read the post you were replying to ? Do you ever ?

I've said no more than to challenge people asserting knowledge or evidence it was a kill mission when no such evidence has been presented. I pointed out that speculation is being repeated as if there was some actual evidence of the fact rather than just speculation.

Your personal pettiness was uncalled for, as usual.

 

[Marduk]

I think the whole thing with Caesar was a put up job. I think he simply wanted to cover his disappearance and he is still living in Berlin under the name of "Smith."

No, you're confusing him with Hannibal, who was sent to prison by a military court for a crime he didn't commit. He promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, he survives as a soldier of fortune..... etc

 

[JihadJane]

America killed way more innocent iraqis than al Queda killed innocent Americans.

Doubtful.

Do you know how many innocents the the US government has killed in Pakistan alone, Puppycow?

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed previously moderated material and response to same

Do you know what Operation Vengeance was, JihadJane?

Yes.

If he's not dead, it would be trivially easy for him to prove it. What better way to make fools of the Americans?

Wrong end.

Bin Laden has already been reported to have died at least a dozen times in the past so it's quite likely that he's dead.

How quickly people lose track of the conversation.

...


Hope that clears it up for you, but if not, I'll try again.

No, it doesn’t.

I have kept track of the conversation perfectly well. Please try again.

The comment of mine that you quote has nothing to do with to Moon Landings/NASA (thaiboxerken's lazy, red herring).

 

[Morrigan]

 

[I Am The Scum]

The comment of mine that you quote has nothing to do with to Moon Landings/NASA (thaiboxerken's lazy, red herring).

But Ginger just posted your text from post #797. That post contains nothing but Ken's comment about the moon, and your response to it. There's nothing else there. Why would you quote that if your response has nothing to do with the quoted section?

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else involving themselves in a conversation. However, you appear to be jumping in, changing the subject in an extremely subtle manner, and then acting surprised when people fail to understand your point. You're responding to X, but your comment has nothing to do with X. I'm confused.

 

[I Ratant]

Do you know how many innocents the the US government has killed in Pakistan alone, Puppycow?
...

.
Do you know how many innocents have been killed by Al Quaeda around the world?
And by Taliban, in Paki and Afghani...?

 

[Pardalis]

It can be better to be bit unclear & indirect enabling people to use more brain & remember.

I was just trying to understand, on first hand:-

Why crimanals, terrorists, devils etc. take birth & exist? Is it manmade or natural?

What are you babbling on about?

 

[Belz...]

I've said no more than to challenge people asserting knowledge or evidence it was a kill mission when no such evidence has been presented.

And AGAIN you post falsehoods about what I said. Why ? You posted the full conversation and still managed to get it wrong.

 

[PhreePhly]

From another poster in another forum:

In their ever growing effort to be "Not Obama" the Conservatives have started to become a bunch of dirty hippys.

On his Fox show Freedom Watch, Andrew Napolitano,

Quote:

This business of the president deciding to kill people is very dangerous and very unlawful. Put aside that governmental assassination is a violation of the Constitution. Put aside that this killing was not in self-defense and was without a declaration of war. Put aside the law that the president may never order the killing of civilians—period. And put aside that governmental killing violates at least four treaties and three federal statutes.

Heck, even the Dalai Lama is down with killing Bin Laden.


Quote:

As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."


Think about that. Fox News is now further to the felt than the Dalai Lama.

Thanks Starbuck79

 

[NotJesus]

Fox News: Fair and Balanced and Performing the Mental Gymnastics Needed to Keep Obama Wrong.

 

[Pardalis]

Bin Laden has already been reported to have died at least a dozen times in the past so it's quite likely that he's dead.

Reports with no evidence, and no body, and now that we have evidence and a body, you refuse to accept it.

Odd ain't it?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

But Ginger just posted your [Jane's] text from post #797. That post contains nothing but Ken's comment about the moon, and your response to it. There's nothing else there. Why would you quote that if your response has nothing to do with the quoted section?

.... I'm confused.

This.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And AGAIN you post falsehoods about what I said. Why ? You posted the full conversation and still managed to get it wrong.

Have you and Jane been hanging out?