conspiracy psychology debunked

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Pffffft. That's nothing.



Try that one on for size.

The vicsim nonsense is a special kind of crazy that we have seen few here fall for aside from "Bill Smith". Most truthers are pathological ******** in a broad general sense. Vicsimmers are super-duper-ultra-psychos-wearing-Carmen-Miranda-hats-made-of-severed-human-body-parts pathological ********.

There's probably a couple million twoofers across the land, but only 4 or 5 vicsimmers.

Do not circumvent the autocensor

Posted By: kmortis

 

[Sceptic-PK]

It is a myth that 9/11 Truthers are anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-Bush or anti-anything.

You obviously don't know the Truth "movement" as well as we do.

We are good people just trying to seek credible answers

And that's been a colossal failure whichever way you look at it.

 

[NutCracker]

NutCracker,

Fine, we are armchairs psychologists. We are wrong on 9/11 conspiracy nuts psychology. And you don't imply or suggest the claims you seemed to suggest. I don't care. We being poor psychologists doesn't imply 9/11 Truth has merit.

The fact remains, there is zero evidence in support of 9/11 conspiracy theories, and 9/11 conspiracy theories are defended using a barrage of logical fallacies.

 

[MikeW]

Wouldn't it be simpler to "debunk" these points as ad hominem arguments? Why Truthers believe what they believe has no bearing on the validity of their beliefs.

However, the reasoning they have provided in support of those beliefs has been unconvincing in light of the evidence, and that does have relevance to the validity of those beliefs.

Agreed.

David Ray Griffin, Nafeez Ahmed and Mike Ruppert all use documentation from a PC game to justify the idea that the hijacked planes should have been intercepted on 9/11, for instance. They don't make the source clear to the readers beyond a link in the footnotes; they don't explain that the documentation is about a different situation (planes approaching the US borders, not flying within them); and Griffin has even misrepresented this as an "Air Traffic Control document", when it's nothing official at all.

So: are they liars? Frauds? Incompetent? Frankly, who cares? What matters is that their evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Point it out, and move on.

 

[NutCracker]

Kid Eager,



Actually, I'd say that your side can't logically debate the evidence so you have to fake the psychology (with non-psychology.) sad.

Apart from the



you did bring this psychology failure of us forward in defence of the TM after all. Nice ad-hominem you have there, brother: we supposedly being wrong about CT-er psychology does not show 9./11 CT's have merit.

Pss.. pss. The inability to debate the evidence of 9/11 logically rest on the Truther side of the table. They cannot even begin to dream of building a case based on all the available relevant evidence like RADAR data, VCR recordings, ATC traffic recordings, FDR data, photographic and video-evidence etc. They have no evidence for their contentions to begin with.

 

[Oystein]

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The other guy said 80! Maybe your auditors aren't all seeing eye to eye. You guys are funny thinking that Gage can make more money with 9/11 conspiracy theory than he can make by sucking up to the establishment or by Ohhhhhhh, paying more attention to his profession as an architect! LOL

As justin and beachnut pointed out correctly, the expenses of AE911truth as a non-profit organization are available from public records. We have seen them, on a state of California website: They list 70,000 US$ in income for fiscal year 2009 to the purse of Mr. Gage, and several thousands for travel expenses. I don't have the link handy at this moment, but your personal incredulity does not make that fact go away.

Yeah, so one guy was wrong with 80K, or maybe that guy added travel expenses to personal income for a rounded 80K.
Bottom line is still: Gage is selling his sack of lies for a living.

 

[Justin39640]

As justin and beachnut pointed out correctly, the expenses of AE911truth as a non-profit organization are available from public records. We have seen them, on a state of California website: They list 70,000 US$ in income for fiscal year 2009 to the purse of Mr. Gage, and several thousands for travel expenses. I don't have the link handy at this moment, but your personal incredulity does not make that fact go away.

Yeah, so one guy was wrong with 80K, or maybe that guy added travel expenses to personal income for a rounded 80K.
Bottom line is still: Gage is selling his sack of lies for a living.

Hey, there's always a lil cheddar you don't report! lol
I was going off the top of my head. I know the info is out there. We all know Gage is a crook. It's disgusting to pull a salary by spreading lies and distortions. At least AJ does it as for-profit-entertainment.

 

[Sabretooth]

Yawn. I get it. You don't feel that 9/11 Truth has credibility. Fine. That's your opinion. Got any real psychology that can 'explain away' the tendency of Truthers to believe the things we do based on solid psychology or are you just going to continue your unsubstantiated verbal assault against the movement itself?

The "movement" in my bowels has more credibility.

The Truth Movement^TM is nothing more than a faction of lunatics. The "facts and/or evidence" they claim to have "discovered and/or researched" is delusional at best. They base their "understanding" on lies, fallacies, and pure ignorance. Most times, when a Truther is proven wrong, they just stick their fingers in their ears and pretend to not hear it...only to come back to these forums a few weeks down the road to spout the same garbage all over again. Let's not even get into the fact that none of them can even agree on a CT "theory".

How do you define a psychological need to automatically disbelieve science, physics, and fact for delusion?

 

[The Platypus]

No-one in the movement has suggested that the victim's families are liars (that i know of).....

.....It is a myth that 9/11 Truthers are anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-Bush or anti-anything. We are good people just trying to seek credible answers to a complex event (that frankly seems to have a lot of problems with regards to a coherent narrative.).....

I've seen children lie better than this...

 

[Walter Ego]

It is a myth that 9/11 Truthers are anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-Bush or anti-anything. We are good people just trying to seek credible answers to a complex event (that frankly seems to have a lot of problems with regards to a coherent narrative.)

You don't know your own movement very well. While it is true the movement is not by its nature anti-Semitic, truthers ofter have cozy relationship with anti-Semites, especially Holocaust deniers.


And just recently a "well respected" truther came out of the closet as a Holocaust denier.

As far as coherent narratives of the events of 9/11 are concerned, it's the truthers who have a problem.


In fact I have yet to hear any "coherent narrative" of 9/11 from any truther.

What's left on your list. Oh, yeah, anti-American, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-Bush. Any takers on providing examples?

 

[Sabretooth]

The other guy said 80! Maybe your auditors aren't all seeing eye to eye.

So you're cool with someone spouting lies and nonsense for 70k and not 80k?

The number is meaningless. The fact that this guy makes $1 for intentionally lying to people and creating a false sense of distrust is apalling.

Gage is a con. Watching the silly cardboard WTC video is evidence enough.

In the weeks leading up to this past September, Gage made a big viral stink about how he had "new" evidence and proof that the WTC7 was a controlled demolition. On the day of his live web-cast, he presented nothing "new"...he spouted all the same exact BS he launched in 2006. No new evidence. No new facts. He used the anniversary of 9/11 to attract attention in an attempt to boost his income.

If Gage really has evidence, why hasn't he published his findings? He claims to have 1,400+ engineers and architects at his disposal, and yet, he has made no attempt outside of youtube to compile a factual report as to how the WTC7 was a CD.

Gage has got nothing and he knows it. But, hey, if you want to send him some money to do...well...nothing, then by all means.

 

[triforcharity]

A W Smith,



Yeah, that was what Gage was looking for, a group of people questioning the government's official position with regards to an emotionally sensitive event. He must of thought 'ooooooooh, this'll be great for my career.'

Yep, look at him now. Makes 75,000 per year, and doesn't have to use his brain at all. Hell, if I could make 75K per year to travel and socialize with other people who share my same interests, I would do it.

Hell, I think MOST people would do it, you know, minus the whole morals and being able to look at yourself in the mirror.....

 

[triforcharity]

No-one in the movement has suggested that the victim's families are liars (that i know of).

You must be new to the TM then, eh? Go google the VicSim report.

It has been suggested by DRG, Kee Dewdney and others that perhaps these families were lied to. They base their suggestions delusions on phone call anomalies ignorance.

I fixed that post for you.

Sometimes members are overbearing and indeed disrespectful to Standley, Combs, Marr, and others. It is a very large movement as you are aware and the more disrespectful actions are the ones that are easiest to remember. Not that I condone it. I don't. You all are working very hard to promote what you believe is the truth. Me too. Actually I'm working hard to learn more things. I am open to inmformation you give me. I see no need to be uncivil.

I see no reason to BE civil to people like yourself that I detest. So....

But, I do it as it is part of the MA here. There have been MANY times i've had to bite my tongue.

It is a myth that 9/11 Truthers are anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-Bush or anti-anything.

Ok. You're lying now.

We are good people just trying to seek credible answers to a complex event (that frankly seems to have a lot of problems with regards to a coherent narrative.)

How hard is it to understand that 19 hijackers stole 4 planes, and crashed them into various targets? Damn.

I don't condone any name calling of any kind because I think it is childish and defeats the purpose of gathering information. It is also cruel. I am not a cruel person but I can't speak for everyone in the movement.

But yet, you do. This very post is a perfect example.

Remember this?

We are good people

Thank you very much. Keep your story straight.

They get called all kinds of names and it is human nature to recipricate such behaviour.

Ok. I think that you're trying to make up for a lack of physical evidence. It sucks having your delusions smashed to bits, doesn't it?

 

[Triterope]

Why?

Because it is the 9-11 Truth movement's poor scholarship -- not "conspiracy psychology" -- that makes us not take it seriously. And now, it's why I don't take your argument on this thread seriously. Your OP is a perfect example of said poor scholarship.

You come in here lecturing us about "real psychological studies that were conducted in controlled samples that tested different aspects of human cognition and clinical pathology" and other academic-sounding claims. But when it comes to support the argument, what do you have? YouTube videos. Not a clinical study. Not a published paper. Not a book. A string of YouTube videos.

Your attempt to debunk conspiracy psychology reveals the same flawed thinking we see every day from people trying to prove the 9-11 conspiracy: A long list of claims with no real support. The over-selling of a mediocre professional as expert. The desperate pleading to be taken seriously. References to genuine but completely unrelated science (which of course comes in the form of a web video as well). Pre-emptively accusing others of engaging in pseudoscience. And so on.

For a post that was supposed to disprove what we believe about the conspiracy believer mindset, I can hardly think of a better way to prove it.

 

[Athyrio]

Hey, there's always a lil cheddar you don't report! lol
I was going off the top of my head. I know the info is out there.

Close enough for me.

$75,450

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Pffffft. That's nothing.



Try that one on for size.

Really weird - in the first couple of minutes, the commentary goes after Bob McIlvaine, who also happens to be one of the family members supporting the "Building What?" (WTC7) ad campaign.



Truther cannibalism?

 

[TJM]

Yup, he even thinks the prominent truthers are gubmit disinfo.

 

[000063]

Gage beat you to the gravy train. You are too late, you seem to be a follower, unable to grasp the lack of evidence for your claims made up for you by people who can't figure out 911 given the answers.

Many 911 movement people are trying to make money. Gage, DRG, and more. Gage asks for donations, a beggar at the corner of the internet, fooling those who refuse to take the time to research 911 and think for themselves.

There's no call for that. Plenty of Truthers think for themselves.

It's just that their conclusions are very, very wrong.

How hard is it to understand that 19 hijackers stole 4 planes, and crashed them into various targets? Damn.

I still cannot understand why people believe a complex gov't scheme that would've involved hundreds, if not thousands, including people who would talk in a heartbeat, no matter what "incentivizing" the gov't had over them, would be easier to pull off than some guy finding two dozen fanatics and getting them to fly planes into buildings.

I mean, if I was running the show, I'd just false flag the hijackers, tell the world I've uncovered evidence they were directly financed by the Taliban and Saddam, plant WMDs in Iraq, and start rolling out the metal. Even that is a very risky plan, but not nearly as much as the one Truthers claim to be true. Or at least would, if they would ever commit to a complete theory.

 

[Oystein]

Close enough for me.

$75,450

Dang! I could have sworn it was an even $70,000!
Which proves again how memory is a slippery thing, and that all testimonies from memories ought to be taken with great care

 

[Justin39640]

Pffffft. That's nothing.



Try that one on for size.

I really hate these people (truthers) cause of this kind of crap. I really hold back sometimes for respect of the MA and end up posting nothing I originally intended to. Point in case - this post. Sometimes I'm so disgusted I just close my browser.