why Nuclear Physics cannot be entirelly correct

[Calrid]

Then why do quantum physicists claim cold fusion is impossible?

Cold fusion is impossible from the foundations of Nuclear Physics.
But as you agree that Nuclear Physics is not entirely correct, is it reasonable to take such incorrect theory so that to conclude that cold fusion is impossible ?

They do not claim that so that is a straw man, what they say is given the experimental values we know cold fusion is not impossible but it seems unlikely to be possible.

You need to learn the difference between opinion and the wording of a Scientist who has written a peer reviewed paper.

Physics is incorrect that's why no Scientist worth his salt talks in absolutes. Hell this is not rocket science, that is easy.

What any good Scientist will say is "show me the money", good old fashioned repeatable and peer reviewed evidence.

You don't win Nobel prizes for talking the talk, otherwise science would be dead, and it would just be philosophy.

 

[steenkh]

Then why do quantum physicists claim cold fusion is impossible?

It does not appear as a flaw to me if quantum physics rule out something that has never been observed to happen.

 

[Dancing David]

Pedrone, just because you don't like teh way the equations turn out is not a reason to say cold fusion will work.

No one, especially Rossi has shown cold fusion to exist. If he can demonstrate it in a real situation that has real measurements of electricity usage, heat production and real protocols then you can come back and tell us in six months.

But you have not shown that the basis of nuclear physics is wrong, you have shown us something else.

 

[Bruce Voigt]

To understand the things you can not see or detect one must first understand the things that can be seen and detected.

Like every cell, molecule, quark, planet, moon or star incorporates a black hole at its nucleus. Instigated reactions to a black hole produce its atomic reactions.

INSTIGATED REACTION is the black hole’s intake or its nutritional feeding of Bruce’s Stuph.

Like all cells etc, our Sun spews its info cells or atomic energy. This energy atomically interacts creating heat, creating light with most of what it encounters, the smallness of Bruce’s Stuph (dark matter) being one exception.

From this encounter or collision, created light feeds on the Aura or Info Cells (Bruce’s Stuph) of what it has come in contact with. Using this continuous magnetic energy connection, info cells of Earth are affectively transported to the sun to be used as nutrition or fuel of its black hole. This of course means we’re no longer #1 on the food chain!

Our sun is a cold, cold activated black hole. It appears to us as being hot and bright but it is not. What we observe as a fiery object is in fact collision or reaction between the force emitting from this black hole and the accumulation of packed STUPH – the sun’s digestive system if you like.

When you stand back from a fire you no longer feel its heat. The sun being no exception; we do not receive heat and light from the sun’s outer fire!
If we could see into the center of the Earth it would appear to us as being hollow (black hole). It’s the same for all cells of matter.

The Earth’s digestive system is that of the sun’s, the difference being size, speed and quantity. To explain these statements multiply the heat and light of just one meteor (shooting star).

Go out on a dark, starry night; every star that you can see is producing food (dark matter) that feeds our Earth’s black hole! The energy created from this food is like any other cell and spews from its poles. Our Earth’s atmosphere, including everything out from its black hole, has and is being created from this energy! A black God if you like!

 

[Dancing David]

Pedrone, just because you don't like the way the equations turn out is not a reason to say cold fusion will work.

Pedrone, just because you don't like the way the equations turn out is not a reason to say that QM is wrong because you want cold fusion to be true.

 

[Dancing David]

To understand the things you can not see or detect one must first understand the things that can be seen and detected.

Like every cell, molecule, quark, planet, moon or star incorporates a black hole at its nucleus. Instigated reactions to a black hole produce its atomic reactions.

INSTIGATED REACTION is the black hole’s intake or its nutritional feeding of Bruce’s Stuph.

Like all cells etc, our Sun spews its info cells or atomic energy. This energy atomically interacts creating heat, creating light with most of what it encounters, the smallness of Bruce’s Stuph (dark matter) being one exception.

From this encounter or collision, created light feeds on the Aura or Info Cells (Bruce’s Stuph) of what it has come in contact with. Using this continuous magnetic energy connection, info cells of Earth are affectively transported to the sun to be used as nutrition or fuel of its black hole. This of course means we’re no longer #1 on the food chain!

Our sun is a cold, cold activated black hole. It appears to us as being hot and bright but it is not. What we observe as a fiery object is in fact collision or reaction between the force emitting from this black hole and the accumulation of packed STUPH – the sun’s digestive system if you like.

When you stand back from a fire you no longer feel its heat. The sun being no exception; we do not receive heat and light from the sun’s outer fire!
If we could see into the center of the Earth it would appear to us as being hollow (black hole). It’s the same for all cells of matter.

The Earth’s digestive system is that of the sun’s, the difference being size, speed and quantity. To explain these statements multiply the heat and light of just one meteor (shooting star).

Go out on a dark, starry night; every star that you can see is producing food (dark matter) that feeds our Earth’s black hole! The energy created from this food is like any other cell and spews from its poles. Our Earth’s atmosphere, including everything out from its black hole, has and is being created from this energy! A black God if you like!

Gosh, if you posted here more aften I would refure some of your nonsense.

Garbage nonsense of the first order and highest quality. This drivel is pure, straight from the source and uncut.

 

[Bruce Voigt]

What any good Scientist will say is "show me the money", good old fashioned repeatable and peer reviewed evidence.

You don't win Nobel prizes for talking the talk, otherwise science would be dead, and it would just be philosophy.

As an example;
In a non related quest that included our four seasons, experiments showed me that black ice is a product of dew not atmosphere. Although they are both slippery most of us have experienced the difference.

Hang in there, there is a simple reason and it will be discovered just why cold fusion experiments are not constant.

 

[steenkh]

To understand the things you can not see or detect one must first understand the things that can be seen and detected.

And the nonsense you are phantasizing about in this post can be seen and detected, right?

 

[dafydd]

To understand the things you can not see or detect one must first understand the things that can be seen and detected.

Like every cell, molecule, quark, planet, moon or star incorporates a black hole at its nucleus. Instigated reactions to a black hole produce its atomic reactions.

INSTIGATED REACTION is the black hole’s intake or its nutritional feeding of Bruce’s Stuph.

Like all cells etc, our Sun spews its info cells or atomic energy. This energy atomically interacts creating heat, creating light with most of what it encounters, the smallness of Bruce’s Stuph (dark matter) being one exception.

From this encounter or collision, created light feeds on the Aura or Info Cells (Bruce’s Stuph) of what it has come in contact with. Using this continuous magnetic energy connection, info cells of Earth are affectively transported to the sun to be used as nutrition or fuel of its black hole. This of course means we’re no longer #1 on the food chain!

Our sun is a cold, cold activated black hole. It appears to us as being hot and bright but it is not. What we observe as a fiery object is in fact collision or reaction between the force emitting from this black hole and the accumulation of packed STUPH – the sun’s digestive system if you like.

When you stand back from a fire you no longer feel its heat. The sun being no exception; we do not receive heat and light from the sun’s outer fire!
If we could see into the center of the Earth it would appear to us as being hollow (black hole). It’s the same for all cells of matter.

The Earth’s digestive system is that of the sun’s, the difference being size, speed and quantity. To explain these statements multiply the heat and light of just one meteor (shooting star).

Go out on a dark, starry night; every star that you can see is producing food (dark matter) that feeds our Earth’s black hole! The energy created from this food is like any other cell and spews from its poles. Our Earth’s atmosphere, including everything out from its black hole, has and is being created from this energy! A black God if you like!

Nonsense.

 

[catsmate]

To understand the things you can not see or detect one must first understand the things that can be seen and detected.

Like every cell, molecule, quark, planet, moon or star incorporates a black hole at its nucleus. Instigated reactions to a black hole produce its atomic reactions.

INSTIGATED REACTION is the black hole’s intake or its nutritional feeding of Bruce’s Stuph.

Like all cells etc, our Sun spews its info cells or atomic energy. This energy atomically interacts creating heat, creating light with most of what it encounters, the smallness of Bruce’s Stuph (dark matter) being one exception.

From this encounter or collision, created light feeds on the Aura or Info Cells (Bruce’s Stuph) of what it has come in contact with. Using this continuous magnetic energy connection, info cells of Earth are affectively transported to the sun to be used as nutrition or fuel of its black hole. This of course means we’re no longer #1 on the food chain!

Our sun is a cold, cold activated black hole. It appears to us as being hot and bright but it is not. What we observe as a fiery object is in fact collision or reaction between the force emitting from this black hole and the accumulation of packed STUPH – the sun’s digestive system if you like.

When you stand back from a fire you no longer feel its heat. The sun being no exception; we do not receive heat and light from the sun’s outer fire!
If we could see into the center of the Earth it would appear to us as being hollow (black hole). It’s the same for all cells of matter.

The Earth’s digestive system is that of the sun’s, the difference being size, speed and quantity. To explain these statements multiply the heat and light of just one meteor (shooting star).

Go out on a dark, starry night; every star that you can see is producing food (dark matter) that feeds our Earth’s black hole! The energy created from this food is like any other cell and spews from its poles. Our Earth’s atmosphere, including everything out from its black hole, has and is being created from this energy! A black God if you like!

And how are these incoherent, nonsensical ravings related to nuclear physics? Or reality for that matter?

 

[Bruce Voigt]

jg3000 wrote:
Bruce Voigt It takes a truly brilliant person to make non sense make so much sense.
I bow to your superior intellect sir

And the nonsense you are phantasizing about in this post can be seen and detected, right?

Experiment:
On a bar magnet, at center place a small (approx ¼ in) ball bearing. You will notice that it just barely sticks. Give it a nudge towards either end (pole). It will zoom to the end and will be much harder to remove. This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles.

“This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles”.—This Statement Could Not be Farther from the Truth.

Power (energy) at the poles is so minute in comparison to the power of the nucleus. Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution and through reverse evolution each dividing cell (because of nuclei high orbit speed) is smaller than the last. These “many” small cells having the same energy at a nucleus do not interact with matter. This is why it is calm in the eye of a tornado, the cell of a cumulonimbus cloud and my science adding black hole or the nucleus of any cell!

"All matter" continually produces and secretes, "as AURA", the phenomenon known as h2o and yes this includes the dark matter of outer space. Dark matter particals are so small as to not interact with the phenomenon COLD.

Easy experiment;
Put a cooking pot of water on to boil. Take note that tiny bubbles form at the bottom of the pot. What you are witnessing are small individual cells of the water. Now get magnification on one of these and note the fire.

Want a larger cell to work with? Have a drilling rig drill till they hit lava! "to costly", how about taking a shovel to Centralia, Pennsylvania.

It's difficult to detect the fire in gas, keep looking, it's there!

 

[John Jones]

jg3000 wrote:
Bruce Voigt It takes a truly brilliant person to make non sense make so much sense.
I bow to your superior intellect sir



Experiment:
On a bar magnet, at center place a small (approx ¼ in) ball bearing. You will notice that it just barely sticks. Give it a nudge towards either end (pole). It will zoom to the end and will be much harder to remove. This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles.

“This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles”.—This Statement Could Not be Farther from the Truth.

Power (energy) at the poles is so minute in comparison to the power of the nucleus. Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution and through reverse evolution each dividing cell (because of nuclei high orbit speed) is smaller than the last. These “many” small cells having the same energy at a nucleus do not interact with matter. This is why it is calm in the eye of a tornado, the cell of a cumulonimbus cloud and my science adding black hole or the nucleus of any cell!

"All matter" continually produces and secretes, "as AURA", the phenomenon known as h2o and yes this includes the dark matter of outer space. Dark matter particals are so small as to not interact with the phenomenon COLD.

Easy experiment;
Put a cooking pot of water on to boil. Take note that tiny bubbles form at the bottom of the pot. What you are witnessing are small individual cells of the water. Now get magnification on one of these and note the fire.

Want a larger cell to work with? Have a drilling rig drill till they hit lava! "to costly", how about taking a shovel to Centralia, Pennsylvania.

It's difficult to detect the fire in gas, keep looking, it's there!

The devil you say.

 

[Bruce Voigt]

The devil you say.

Nope -- GOD

 

[pedrone]

How anomalous high binding energy of ₂He⁴is calculated in Quantum Ring Theory​

In Quantum Ring Theory all the elementary particles have two fields.

So, the proton has two fields: the principal field Sp(p), and a secondary field Sn(p).
They are concentric: the secondary field Sp(p) surrounds the principal field Sp(p).

There is Coulumbic repulsion between the secondary fields of two protons. It's called principal repulsion.


But when two protons aproach one each other in distances of the order of 2 fermions, there is a repulsion between their principal fields. It's named secondary repulsion.

The principal and secondary repulsions are shown in the first figure below.

​

The page 120 of QRT shows the secondary repulsions that occur in deuteron, 2He3, and 2He4.

The table 6.1 shown in the page 121 shows that there are 3 sort of energy when the a neutron is packed with a proton, for the formation of the 2He4:

Energy E_r - Coulombic energy

Energy E_d - the energy required to perforate the secondary field, and put the proton and neutron together

Energy E_m - the energy for matching the principal fields.


Page 116 of QRT shows the calculation of the binding energy of 2He4, by considering the three energy necessary for the formation of the helium-4 nucleus.
Note that its E_m energy is 8,85MeV


After the formation of the 2He4, the other nuclei are formed from the capture of nucleons by the flux n(o) produced by the 2He4. They do not required the E_m energy in their formation

Page 119 of QRT shows:
₃Li⁶₈O¹⁶₂₀Ca⁴⁰

 

[Daylightstar]

As an example;
In a non related quest that included our four seasons, experiments showed me that black ice is a product of dew not atmosphere. Although they are both slippery most of us have experienced the difference.

Hang in there, there is a simple reason and it will be discovered just why cold fusion experiments are not constant.

Since Pedrone brought up cold fusion as an indicator of "why Nuclear Physics cannot be entirelly correct", could you elaborate on this simple reason for cold fusion experiments not being constant, Bruce Voigt?

Pedrone is hopeless in his...uuhm.. explanations, and since jg3000 apparently implied that you are brilliant (no one seems to think that of Pedrone), you'll probably be able, much better than Pedrone, to shed some light on the topic of this thread.

By the way, what do you think of Pedrone's "this book says this or that" game?

 

[Bruce Voigt]

How anomalous high binding energy of ₂He⁴is calculated in Quantum Ring Theory​

Page 119 of QRT shows:
₃Li⁶₈O¹⁶₂₀Ca⁴⁰

SIMPLY
Would it not be nice to understand new true science of why and how things are attracted and stick to each other, really simple STUPH! (not complicated at all)

Explaining why the quark, molecule, cell, atom, magnetism etc attract and repel would soon have eyes glazing over. I will make it real simple for you to understand why bread crumbs don't stick to the plate yet toast crumbs and egg do, why snow flakes and rain drops are separated.

OK this is what you do. Sit your-self down in front of the six o'clock news and take note of the weather report. Animation shows the high pressure area (clockwise) and close by will be a low pressure (counter clock wise). If you look carefully its easy to see the forces of the low melding into the forces of the high (attracting). Looking closer, take note that the forces of the high and low merge into a figure 8 and thats how every natural thing having multiple orbits is held together. Look for two highs or two lows and you can see where the forces are running into each other (repelling).

Take this to the smallness of the quark or the hugeness of the heavens and Bobs your uncle!
--------

Summer has dew and none due mornings.
Winter has black ice or frost mornings.

Dew is Earths natural way of suppling water to life in deserts or you could say.
Dew is produced by the Earth and species evolve because of this phenomenon.
For me and mine, discoveries have been fantastic but it will take another four seasons to complete the science. For instance, it was discovered that the aura or atmosphere of a water cell draws into it's nucleus the aura of what is on or close to. I must be more careful in how I collect dew.

As it is with cold fusion I hope to discover why dew dews what and when it wants.

 

[leonAzul]

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over Planck and Madame Curie, Avogadro and of Bohr —
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
"'Tis some visiter," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door —
Only this and nothing more."

Open here I flung the shutter, when, with stilted gait and stutter,
In there came another nutter of the cock-sure ways of yore;
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door —
Perched upon a bust of Popper just above my chamber door —
Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

Then this upstart bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance he wore,
"Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient maven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth Pedrone "Screw Niels Bohr."

Much I marvelled this ungainly don to hear discourse so plainly,
Though his answer little meaning — little relevancy bore;
For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being
Ever yet was blessed with seeing dean above his chamber door —
Dean or don upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door,
With such name as "Screw Niels Bohr."

But Pedrone still beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of don, and bust and door;
Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking
Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous don of yore —
What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous don of yore
Meant in croaking "Screw Niels Bohr."

"Be that word our sign of parting, friend or fiend!" I shrieked, upstarting —
"Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! — quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!"
Quoth Pedrone "Screw Niels Bohr."

And Pedrone, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Popper just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a tyro's that is dreaming,
And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my mind from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be sated — Livermore!

 

[MaxMurx]

You don't come around some dogma, and like in all other scientific disciplines like theology: dogma kills progress.
Your dogma is: All kinds of energies are known to us; or vice versa: it exists no other state of energy than those which are known to ourselves.
"Energy's" origin is the 4th dimension and all energies are one and the same, appearing to us in different forms.
An analogue is the projection (or shadow) of a 3-dimensional cube or cylinder, having an infinte number of differently shaped shadows when turned around in the beam of light. Any 2-dimensional being never will grasp that all those different shadows are projections of one and the same object (ask Donald Duck).

Somebody said: "The 4th dimension is TIME". That is completely unlogic. A point (one dimensional) can freely move in infinite directions and can take an infinite number of coordinates in a 2D-system. Any 2D object or "area" can take infinite positions and coordinates in a 3D-object. Both have an infinite number of degrees of freedom in the higher dimension. 3D- objects like ourselves, how many degrees of freedom do we have to move in time? Where is "up" and "down", or "x", "y" and "z". We move on a straight vector in one direction starting from a fixed point. That is never a "4th dimension".

Or is that time-theory no more valid?

If what I said above has some logic; then there are also infinite states of energy, from which we know a few.

 

[steenkh]

On a bar magnet, at center place a small (approx ¼ in) ball bearing. You will notice that it just barely sticks. Give it a nudge towards either end (pole). It will zoom to the end and will be much harder to remove. This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles.

“This will indicate that the magnets power is at the poles”.—This Statement Could Not be Farther from the Truth.

Power (energy) at the poles is so minute in comparison to the power of the nucleus. Forces of Equal Evolution act upon Forces of Equal Evolution and through reverse evolution each dividing cell (because of nuclei high orbit speed) is smaller than the last. These “many” small cells having the same energy at a nucleus do not interact with matter. This is why it is calm in the eye of a tornado, the cell of a cumulonimbus cloud and my science adding black hole or the nucleus of any cell!

There is nothing here that you just described that is not described better through conventional physics.

"All matter" continually produces and secretes, "as AURA", the phenomenon known as h2o and yes this includes the dark matter of outer space. Dark matter particals are so small as to not interact with the phenomenon COLD.

Fine claims, but no evidence to back it up. In fact, your description seems to indicate that you have no idea what the meaning of the terms "h2o", "dark matter", or "cold" is. This does not bode well for your Nobel prize.

Easy experiment;
Put a cooking pot of water on to boil. Take note that tiny bubbles form at the bottom of the pot. What you are witnessing are small individual cells of the water. Now get magnification on one of these and note the fire.

Eh? Fire? Do you know what "fire" is? There is no fire whatsoever in the bubbles of water steam at bottom of a boiling pot. I have difficulty to believe that you are serious here.

Want a larger cell to work with? Have a drilling rig drill till they hit lava! "to costly", how about taking a shovel to Centralia, Pennsylvania.

It's difficult to detect the fire in gas, keep looking, it's there!

Pure unadulterated nonsense. You are not worth our time.

Go open a thread of your own instead of messing with pedrone's thread. He is perfectly able to do that himself without your "help".

 

[marplots]

At this point I would like to confess that I have flights of fancy and feel like I've grasped some deep and universal truth, perhaps overlooked by the general heaving mass of humanity, now living as well as those long dead. So I know the feeling. It's a good feeling, very pleasant.

Thankfully, in me it usually passes with further reflection. Either I discover some key misunderstanding or start to suspect I'm misusing terms. Every once in awhile the attractive notion seems to have legs and it won't yield to idle criticism and introspection. It's then I have to get off my lazy bum and actually research something -- but always, always, the driving motivation is to prove my rumination false.

This is the only way I know forward. Test, test, learn and distrust and test, test. Only good things survive this crucible and I can honestly say I've never had an idea that overthrew even a small portion of known physics. The only thing I've ever overthrown was my own egotistical musings -- but that kinda feels good too.

I suspect this is what irritates others when I do them the same favor. They take it personally and do not feel honored to be participating in the greater good. So is it appropriate to be harsh and a butt-head with others if that's the standard you use for yourself?