Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Yep.. that should get more people looking at his idiocy.
I have always said popularity will be his undoing, he wants to slink around on forums posting idiocy on youtube and have a bit of a cult (yes thats spelt correctly although the alternative works) following.
If he gets popular enough to attract the attention of mainstream media he's finished.
 
There are some great "Menards" in that thread.

From Yozhik

To not believe in God necessitates that you do believe in the existence of God.
What you are expressing is a choice; believe in God or not believe in God.

Whichever choice you make, both are premised on the existence of God.
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From Leathal who seems to be expecting the Queen to give evidence in his trial in Australia next month.

if a person is a 'human being' it is easy enough to rebutt that by looking at the root of the word, then tell them you are alive and not rotting in the ground as humus (root for human).. if you are a human being it means you are being a rotten pile of humus. I am not that. if they think I am they can prove it thanks.
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As long as Mr. Menard is reading the thread, perhaps he would like to answer the question I asked grndslm? It is more American than Canadian, but figure an expert on FMOTL should be knowledgeable enough to discuss the U.S. version. [recently added comments in blue]

For the purposes of this thread, I am willing to concede every point of Freeman philosophy.

I understand that while there are differences in what Freemen believe (e.g. birth bonds and their availability) there is also a commonality. That being said, please correct me if I am wrong in assuming that the majority of Freemen broadly believe the following points:

1) U.S. income tax is inherently unjust.

2) Taking money through income tax by the threat of violence, property seizure, or imprisonment is a crime somewhere between theft and extortion. In fact, some have used the word slavery to describe the current condition..

3) Imprisoning people for victimless crimes (such as marijuana possession) is inherently unjust.

4) The scale of items 1,2, and 3 is so large that the U.S. could be considered one of the most corrupt regimes in the world.

5) This corruption is inherent in the system. Both political parties are aware of their culpability in these crimes.

6) This corruption dates back at least 80 years. [again, I don't want to try to pin down an exact date. I am simply stating that no knowledgeable U.S. Freeman would pick a start date less than 80 years ago]

7) This corruption is so pervasive that almost everyone in the federal government is aware that he or she is violating the core principles of justice. Furthermore, virtually all lawyers; all local, state, and federal prosecutors; and all local, state and federal police agencies are aware of their participation in in this crime of unimaginable magnitude.

8) When a Freeman is confronted by police or judges, there is a specific thing he can do or say to avoid participating in the criminal justice system. There may be disagreement as to what that action is (some say there are certain words to say, others say that there are certain words to not say, and others say there are certain documents to submit), but all agree that if they make the nature of their Freeman status known in the correct way, both judges and police will simply say, "we cannot interfere with you - you are free to go."


So my question is: why is number 8 true. If everyone involved in the system is so wickedly unjust that they will imprison people in violation of the most basic principles of society, in violation of the most sacred laws of God, in violation of the most ancient and fundamental laws of western civilization, why would they stop and let innocent people who know the secret sign walk away?

Yes there are corrupt regimes that start out saying, we will break these particular laws but not those laws; but after 40ish years they all break down and say there is no law that we will not break to hold power. There is nothing to stop the U.S. government from arresting and locking up Freemen who claim special status. There is nothing to prevent these career criminals running the government from summarily executing the Freemen. Why would the government acknowledge their status - especially if this status became widely known, then they would lose all power.

ETA: we are talking about a regime that is allegedly so ruthless that they were willing to kill 3000 people on 9/11 to advance their own agenda.​
 
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Rob seems to be threatening to expose my intentions about him over on Ickes
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059833707&postcount=57
JB's ONLY goal and intent according to his email is to 'yank my chain' for fun, and not to reveal me as a conman, but to get people to think I am one.

You said you support his efforts. His efforts are ONLY to yank my chain for fun. NO OTHER REASON. He does not think I am a conman at all, but has fun getting people to think otherwise, and knowing that I hold honour dear, he thought that would be a great way to yank my chain.
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"Not to reveal him as a conman but to get people to think I am one"
Rob, you are a conman or a clown, thats perfectly clear, hence this thread.
If you believe the stuff you are posting that makes you a clown, and if you dont that makes you a conman.

I also like yanking your chain, and so it seems do you as you keep responding.
I will post a few e-mails (unsolicited) from Rob later, just to show you his mindset.
I will try and fine the mail hes refering to as well in case he doesnt post it.
I cant remember telling him I though he was honourable in his intentions though. :confused:
 
jargon buster said:
Rob seems to be threatening to expose my intentions about him over on Ickes
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059833707&postcount=57


"Not to reveal him as a conman but to get people to think I am one"
Rob, you are a conman or a clown, thats perfectly clear, hence this thread.
If you believe the stuff you are posting that makes you a clown, and if you dont that makes you a conman.

I also like yanking your chain, and so it seems do you as you keep responding.
I will post a few e-mails (unsolicited) from Rob later, just to show you his mindset.
I will try and fine the mail hes refering to as well in case he doesnt post it.
I cant remember telling him I though he was honourable in his intentions though. :confused:
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Carry on yanking his chain, it's obviously grating on him:D
 
Stacey Grove said:
Menard reads this thread, his ego wouldn't allow anything otherwise, but he hasn't the guts to post here again.
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Oh, I didn't expect him to answer the question in this venue. I thought he might address the troublesome issue in another venue.

Of course, a conman would just ignore it. A clown might be tempted to attempt to reply.


ETA: I also thought some of his followers might be reading this thread.
 
That is SUCH a menard!
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1. menard
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n. Menard, Menards

1. Someone who is rather stupid or acts retarded.
2. A chain of stores in the midwest, much like Lowes.

adj. Menarded

1. The act of someone being stupid or retarded
n.
1. Jessica is a Menard.
2. I saved at Menards!

adj.
1. You're *********** menarded.
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2. Menard 22 up, 42 down
buy menard mugs, tshirts and magnets
A fat ugly mother ********** who thinks he's the ****, even though he has no friends and doesn't notice it. He just pushes himself onto you.
Austin is the biggest menard ever. He won't *********** leave me alone!
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looks like someone beat us too it :D
 
almost forgot, here are some of Robs unsolicited mails to me
You are doing good my Lil' Bitch!

Keep posting about me!
Keep bumping up them posts!
There is no such thing as bad press!
You have singlehandedly kept me in the google spot light! THANK YOU!


Do not worry about your sick fixations or obsessions.
Just keep doing what I want you to do even though you do not realize you are doing it!

That is posting about me on the RANDI FORUM.
I do not even have to do anything!
You are too nice to me.
Thank You!

Have a great day, my unwilling puppet!
Say hello to Wisp for me and ask her if you would, how she can claim she knows all about me, but never met me.

Tell her I have prayed for her and her brother. Sincerely.

Well have a great day! I have been so very productive lately! How about you?
Thanks for keeping those threads bumped up!

I owe you one. :D
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RANDIOT forum sure seems quiet. You need to get busy and keep the freeman threads bumped up my bitch! Don't worry that all your friends there think you are crazy, ok? You are suffering from abandonment fears and a menard obsession. You are insane but do not worry about it.

Now get busy. I will not answer your questions if you are not being my bitch and keeping those threads UP UP UP!

Thanks lil one!
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Hey care to tell people about my new endeavors? I am offering 'Spiritual ADVICE' for donations!
No legal advice, no income. :D

And the shows I put on? They are COMEDY SHOWS. Imagine what would happen if the people in the government tried to silence me for the comedy shows I present? That would make me a super star and open them up to so much public ridicule!

Hope you have a great day. If you need any spiritual advice let me know!

Namaste

Your Loving Brother,
:D
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HEY IGNORE THIS EMAIL YOU BARNPOT!

LMAO!
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Rather than me messing about posting screenshots as proof if anyone wants the mails and full threads drop me a mail on jmbbwalton@gmail.com.
Some of them make interesting viewing especially the ones from his minions who he sent to try and wind me up.
 
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Ladewig said:
Oh, I didn't expect him to answer the question in this venue. I thought he might address the troublesome issue in another venue.
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Nah, he's running.
Apparently your post starts with a faulty premise (according to him):

The thread you refer to, he begins with a very faulty premise. THAT ALL ARE CORRUPT. He makes his entire argument based upon that statement. It is an untrue statement and thus his question meaningless.
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http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=165445&page=18 post 178
 
he's racking them up
I am not governed because I do not engage in governable actions. If I engage in those actions I would accept lawful governance. Using the roads for commerce is one of those.
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So by that statement any action the government deems governable he consents to.
oh hang on it will be any action HE deems governable, after all its Robs rules.
 
and now he's trying to get another member banned now they have him over a barrel.
What a loser

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059835258&postcount=140
You spin **** like that and then expect us to not see you are JB? Seriously? Dude your mask is slipping!

The ability to remove consent is a function (know what that is?) whether or not you engage in certain actions. Your 'belief loading' means you think I have claimed absolute ability to reject the law, cause I refuse to accept someone else's rules as law.

Never have I said that when engaging in governable acts that I am free from government. Can you show me when I said such a thing, or do you admit to belief loading and ignorance.

Find the post where I said I can engage in lawfully governable acts without governance.

If you can't you should accept your ignorance is the problem here.
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So by his own words every action he engages in which is covered by statute he consents to be governed.
Game set and match Rob
 
I occasionally skim these FOTL threads. Just my 2 cents, but importing a bunch of emails and posts elsewhere seems a bit odd to me. Menard is banned here, right?
 
jargon buster said:
So by his own words every action he engages in which is covered by statute he consents to be governed.
Game set and match Rob
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I know it's stating the obvious but Rob's obviously making it up as he goes along and this has been his undoing.

So if the quote below is true then which acts are classed as governable? And where does commercial governance derive it's power to lord it over us, what makes it special?

Never have I said that when engaging in governable acts that I am free from government.
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I do not claim statutes NEVER apply to me, for if I wished to use the roads for commercial purposes they would apply. That is the law and I accept it
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Robs really made himself look a fool.
He wrote
I have a right to engage in commerce without permission, but not on ground we both own. Then I need your permission. As would you. But I can use that property for non-commercial reasons without your permission. As can you.
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http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059835560&postcount=148
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I said: 'I do not need permission to engage in commerce', (then some other words you are ignoring...)

You then said:

Quote:
Why does engaging in commerce require you to obtain permission?

That is in fact a complete opposite of what I said, if we leave out the true context you wish to ignore. There was a modifier. Was there not?

Try again, and check your mask while you are at it. BIATCH!
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http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059835694&postcount=154
dear me.. he doesnt know if hes coming or going.
ground we both own??
How is that relevant?
Im sure no one can own land (freeman rule no5)
 
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Anyone seen robs latest evidence. He has conclusive proof of a triumphant freeman success. However, the guy who had this success did not want him to share his personal information on the internet. So we just have to take his word for it.
 
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