The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory

[LondonJohn]

The one problem with that scenario, LJ, is that she would need to have borrowed the lamp that evening after she arrived home (since otherwise Amanda would have probably noticed it missing, as she and Raffaele spent quite a bit of time in the cottage that day, including until the early evening). Possible, but somewhat unlikely I would have thought. I still think bungling Battistelli or one of his cohorts is the best bet, as Frank indicated at Perugia Shock (Meredith borrowing it being the next most likely scenario).

Fair point. I wonder if evidence was ever sought from Knox on when she last remembered her lamp being in her own room? I don't recall ever seeing anything about this in testimony. But yeah, given that super-cop Battistelli denied on the stand that he ever actually went into Meredith's room properly (wonder how that perjury charge against Battistelli is coming along, Mr Mignini), who knows what else he or his colleague might have have done to contaminate the scene.

 

[LondonJohn]

My comments are in reference to other posts made in this forum.

I think it's now safe to assume that some people are making valid contributions to the debate here..... and some are not.

I wonder what time of the evening on 1st November Platonov thinks Meredith Kercher died?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

The one problem with that scenario, LJ, is that she would need to have borrowed the lamp that evening after she arrived home (since otherwise Amanda would have probably noticed it missing, as she and Raffaele spent quite a bit of time in the cottage that day, including until the early evening). Possible, but somewhat unlikely I would have thought. I still think bungling Battistelli or one of his cohorts is the best bet, as Frank indicated at Perugia Shock (Meredith borrowing it being the next most likely scenario).

We could come up with several scenarios about the lamp. None of these scenarios would lead to guilt or innocence. Its not logical that the lamp was used in Meredith's room to clean up because there is absolutely no evidence that any clean up occurred in Meredith's room.

 

[platonov]

My comments are in reference to other posts made in this forum.

Where ? In this thread ? - its hard to follow without a quote or a link.

Oh, on another matter: I see that our erstwhile colleague Mr Treeehorn has been arguing that the rusted/perished bra clasp might well be .........

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This would be the banned member Treehorn ?
Can you see his posts on this thread also

If not I thought the mods had already (several times) addresed this.

I think it's now safe to assume that some people are making valid contributions to the debate here..... and some are not.
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Indeed, cross posting to other forums without a link is hardly a valid contribution.

 

[LondonJohn]

Where ? In this thread ? - its hard to follow without a quote.




This would be the banned member Treehorn ?
Can you see his posts on this thead also

If not I thought the mods had already (several times) addresed this.




Indeed, cross posting to other forums without a link is hardly a valid contribution.

Is this really the best you can offer?

What time on 1st November 2007 did Meredith Kercher die?

 

[platonov]

Is this really the best you can offer?

What time on 1st November 2007 did Meredith Kercher die?

They are reasonable questions and comments - if you & BF wish to ignore them you are free to do so.

If you wish to engage posters on other forums why not sign up on said forums ?
Unless you are accusing somebody here (Who ? ) of being a sockpuppet for Treehorn.

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Keep this in mind when listening to both sides of this debate.

That would be good advice if we cold see both sides of this 'debate'

 

[Matthew Best]

If you wish to engage posters on other forums why not sign up on said forums ?

Conversely, if you wish to avoid engaging posters on this forum, why sign up on this forum?

For example, why not simply answer the question of when you think Kercher died?

 

[LondonJohn]

Conversely, if you wish to avoid engaging posters on this forum, why sign up on this forum?

For example, why not simply answer the question of when you think Kercher died?

Somehow (for reasons I can't fathom) I think Platonov seems unwilling to give us his view on this issue....

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Somehow (for reasons I can't fathom) I think Platonov seems unwilling to give us his view on this issue....

Platonov seems to be content with simply trying to annoy people. I am not here often so I don't know if this is his general attitude. Either way, he doesn't bother me at all. His demeanor is easily mimicked online. It takes a little effort to be genuine.

 

[platonov]

Somehow (for reasons I can't fathom) I think Platonov seems unwilling to give us his view on this issue....

What ? I have answered on this issue.

Of course in keeping with the new resurrected 'paradigm' I have posted it on another forum

.

 

[Matthew Best]

What ? I have answered on this issue.

Excellent! What was your answer?

 

[platonov]

Platonov seems to be content with simply trying to annoy people. I am not here often so I don't know if this is his general attitude. Either way, he doesn't bother me at all. His demeanor is easily mimicked online. It takes a little effort to be genuine.

The tone of your post, which is (verging on) a personal attack, would indicate otherwise.
But I will let it pass, presumably you are upset over something posted on another forum; If so wouldn't it be better to reply on that forum.

In any case I am simply trying to establish the parameters of the conspiracy theory. I find it surprising that this endeavor should 'annoy' some conspiracy theorists but in CT land one has to expect the unexpected I suppose.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Wait ..what ?

Are you sure you posted this in the right thread Forum Board.

This is CT forum on JREF - just so we are all on the same page

Seemed that his post was more on topic than most of yours, especially considering the topic based on the OP is about the CT put forward by Massei & Mignini that a young american woman with no history of criminal behaviour somehow managed to convince her boyfriend of six days and a near enough complete stranger to join her in a sex attack on her housemate over an argument about who didn't do cleaning about the house.

Seems you are willing to support that theory without actually having to provide the evidence to back it up or answer anything.

 

[Dan O.]

It began as a conspiracy theory in the mind of one prosecutor. But has it blossomed into a full blown conspiracy within the prosecutorial team to try and perpetuate the theory?

And what of the many minions fighting for the prosecution in the online discussions? Surly they cannot all be part of the conspiracy. If they are independent, what draws them to the fight? Is is the sense of belonging to the groups (which incidentally have turned into hate groups in many cases)?.

 

[babycondor]

Unless you are accusing somebody here (Who ? ) of being a sockpuppet for Treehorn.

"All but one man died,
There at Bitter Creek,
And they say he ran away ...

Branded!
Marked with a coward's shame.
What do you do when you're branded,
Will you fight for your name?

He was innocent,
Not a charge was true,
But the world will never know ...

Branded!
Scorned as the one who ran.
What do you do when you're branded,
And you know you're a man?

And wherever you go
for the rest of your life
You must prove ...
You're a man!"

(In Memory of Groundhog Day)

 

[platonov]

Establishing the parameters of the conspiracy.

It began as a conspiracy theory in the mind of one prosecutor. But has it blossomed into a full blown conspiracy within the prosecutorial team to try and perpetuate the theory?

And what of the many minions fighting for the prosecution in the online discussions? Surly they cannot all be part of the conspiracy. If they are independent, what draws them to the fight? Is is the sense of belonging to the groups (which incidentally have turned into hate groups in many cases)?.

And the cops - faked break-in, initial framing of PL to protect the police agent RG, waterboarding, false testimony etc etc etc etc etc etc

and the interpreters - false testimony

and the forensics team - planted evidence, faked videos[that was yours, Dan O ?], false testimony etc etc

and the various external witnesses - false testimony

and MK's English friends - false testimony

and Filomena R and her friends - false testimony

and the defence lawyers and their expert witnesses (see above)

and possibly the defendants (see above)

Oh ..And the judges ! D'oh! - how could I have forgotten those 2 , one of them is mentioned in the OP.



Note - this list is not necessarily exhaustive, let me know if I have missed anyone.

This is why, as I stressed earlier, its important to establish the parameters of the conspiracy.

 

[platonov]

'Mystery of AK's Lamp' - conspiracy widens further

Re the above.

During the recent intrusion [the interruption of this thread due to an unwarranted attack by the supporting feature for which we apologise ] the 'Mystery of AK's Lamp' was referenced.

AK was asked about this on the stand with reference to the lack of light in her room while preparing for her 'shower' and whether belatedly noticing its absence was the reason for the aborted break down of MK's door.

As per the comments by LJ BF and katy_did - we now have to add this issue to the part played in the conspiracy by the postal police, or state police or the forensics team ?

 

[Dan O.]

Note - this list is not necessarily exhaustive, let me know if I have missed anyone.

Of course, the goal of a minion of the conspiracy would be to present a Grand Conspiracy where everybody is involved as a strawman to discredit the conspiracy theory.

 

[katy_did]

Re the above.

During the recent intrusion [the interruption of this thread due to an unwarranted attack by the supporting feature for which we apologise ] the 'Mystery of AK's Lamp' was referenced.

AK was asked about this on the stand with reference to the lack of light in her room while preparing for her 'shower' and whether belatedly noticing its absence was the reason for the aborted break down of MK's door.

As per the comments by LJ BF and katy_did - we now have to add this issue to the part played in the conspiracy by the postal police, or state police or the forensics team ?

I don't suppose you have a reference for the prosecution introducing the lamp as Exhibit Y and accusing Amanda of taking it into the bedroom and using it to clean up the murder scene, do you? Perhaps Massei used it as a central element in the guilty verdict? Many of the pro-guilt people argue the 'lamp clean-up theory', of course, but the prosecution were, oddly, far more reluctant to make any direct claims about how the lamp got there.

Never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by sheer incompetence, as Kaosium quoted earlier in the thread.

 

[platonov]

Another 'movable feast'

Originally Posted by platonov
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AK was asked about this on the stand with reference to the lack of light in her room while preparing for her 'shower' and whether belatedly noticing its absence was the reason for the aborted break down of MK's door.
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I don't suppose you have a reference for the prosecution introducing the lamp as Exhibit Y and accusing Amanda of taking it into the bedroom and using it to clean up the murder scene, do you? Perhaps Massei used it as a central element in the guilty verdict? Many of the pro-guilt people argue the 'lamp clean-up theory', of course, but the prosecution were, oddly, far more reluctant to make any direct claims about how the lamp got there.

Never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by sheer incompetence, as Kaosium quoted earlier in the thread.

Really ?

Anyway I do wish you guys would make your mind up on this.
Earlier you wrote ..........

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I still think bungling Battistelli or one of his cohorts is the best bet, as Frank indicated at Perugia Shock (Meredith borrowing it being the next most likely scenario).

The details of this conspiracy are really hard to pin down - this 'movable feast' aspect is a feature of all good CT's as I noted in another thread

ps The lamp is actually mentioned in Massei - how much weight the court gave it is open to Q , the 'embarrassment of riches' issue no doubt, but it was noted by the court.