Bill Ayers admits he wrote "Dreams From My Father"

[Biscuit]

Sara Palin isn't tainted by sleeping with a anti-American campaigner, but Obama is by serving on the board of an educational organization?

Are you seriously suggesting that Obama and Ayers are not secret lovers!? You liberals are so foolish!

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

"Fox and Friends" is pushing Cashill and this nonsense now..

http://mediamatters.org/research/201103290023

 

[kookbreaker]

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True story: I am Third Degree: I was in "Escape from New York" with Kurt Russell, who was in "Tango and Cash" with Teri Hatcher, who was in "The Big Picture" with Kevin Bacon.

You're all now Fourth Degree. Congratulations.
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I'm actually two degrees and that is not through the movies.

 

[Chaos]

I'm actually two degrees and that is not through the movies.

I´m two degrees from a metric buttload of scientists, and from an inordinate number of US presidents, not to mention the loads of courtiers and lesser critters that are part of those administrations. No movies involved here, either.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So, just to show what sourced facts look like:

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So, assuming Ayers met Obama on January 1 and the book was published July 31, that would have, according to the conspiracy theory, given Ayers only 7 months to write the book, submit it to and have it accepted by a publisher, process revisions, and have the books printed and distributed.

That is a remarkable accomplishment and an amazing show of generosity on Ayers' part for someone he had just met.

eta:
Not even that long:

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So, five months to do all that.

Win.

 

[Taarkin]

... Ayers is so dishonest or so deluded...

And yet you believe him.

 

[Spindrift]

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True story: I am Third Degree: I was in "Escape from New York" with Kurt Russell, who was in "Tango and Cash" with Teri Hatcher, who was in "The Big Picture" with Kevin Bacon.

You're all now Fourth Degree. Congratulations.
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You're actually a 2nd degree.

Charles Cyphers was in "Escape from New York" and he was in "Murder in the First" with Kevin Bacon

He was the General Manager in the movie "Major League".

 

[BeAChooser]

that would have, according to the conspiracy theory, given Ayers only 7 months to write the book, submit it to and have it accepted by a publisher, process revisions, and have the books printed and distributed.

That is a remarkable accomplishment

Not really.

First, it's not being suggested that Ayers wrote the entire book for Obama. Obviously Obama did spend time trying to write the book. As clearly indicated in the sources I've provided, the belief is that Ayers revised an already existing draft and perhaps added a few key chapters to the mix. Ayers is an accomplished writer. He's written close to several dozen books ... and numerous articles. And edited many others. Given that this was a book that didn't require any research (what little was necessary had already been done by Obama), but just some story telling, Ayers could have whipped out such a revision in a month or two, leaving plenty of time for the publisher to do the rest.

(source)

So, five months to do all that.

All that says is that in March 1995 Obama became a co-chair on CAC. That doesn't preclude Ayers and Obama having contact before that … doesn't preclude the January date published in other sources for their first meeting from being correct.

And even the January 1995 date may not be when they first met. There is reason to believe that they might have met much earlier. For example …

* Is it just a coincidence that Ayers and Obama were both near the Columbia campus at the same time back in 1981-1983? Obama was at Columbia. Ayers was attending Bank Street College a quarter mile from Columbia, working on his Masters in Education degree which he completed in 1984. Is it inconceivable, given their similar politics, that they first met at this time? Obama stayed in NYC for two years after graduation, working for two different firms, before moving to Chicago. Meanwhile, Ayers began a second education degree (at Columbia), which he completed in 1987, before also moving to Chicago. Is it inconceivable that they knew one another at this time?

* According to http://02ce1ab.netsolhost.com/KingHarvest/?p=1245 , Allen Hulton (the letter carrier for the Ayers' Parent's Glen Ellyn Chicago home), Obama visited the Ayers' home in the mid-1980s to thank them for their support of his education (Obama had just graduated from Columbia). "As Hulton was on the sidewalk walking away from the Ayers house a tall and thin young black man was coming up the same sidewalk towards the Ayers house. Hulton recalls that Obama said hello and introduced himself and stopped to chat with him in front of the Ayers house." Hulton said "Mrs. Ayers told me that her family had been helping out a brilliant young black man.” Hulton said that over the period of six to ten years that he delivered mail to the Ayers home he had numerous conversations with Mrs. Ayers, one conversation with Thomas Ayers and several brief encounters with Bernardine Dohrn. Although he said he never met or saw Bill Ayers at the home, is it inconceivable that Obama might have met him during a visit?

* Is it just coincidence that both Ayers and Obama ended up living in the same neighborhood in Chicago when they moved back there? Their kids ended up going to the same schools. They shopped at the same supermarkets. They had mutual friends. Is it inconceivable that they might have met at this time?

* Is it just coincidence that both Ayers and Obama were active in the schools reform movement in Chicago in the 1987-1988 timeframe? Barack Obama worked on school reform efforts for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) and the DCP was a member of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCS), a group that Ayers helped organize and for which he was the contact person. Both of them were “working” the same side of the Chicago Teacher’s Union Strike of 1987. Is it inconceivable they could have met in that capacity at that time? Not at all.

* Is it just coincidence that in 1987 Michelle Robinson (Obama's current wife) was hired as a summer associate by the law firm Sidley and Austin in Chicago. From 1988 to 1991, she worked as an associate at the firm. Michelle met Barack Obama in 1989, when she was assigned to mentor him. They married in 1992. Sidley and Austin's managing partner was a well known personal friend of Ayers' father, Thomas Ayers. Is it inconceivable that Michelle knew the Ayers family and thus Obama met Bill Ayers through her? No.

* Is it just coincidence that both Obama and Ayers' wife (Bernadine Dohrn) worked for Sidley and Austin in the same time frame … around 1988 to 1990. And since Ayers and Dohrn were married sometime in the 70s, if Obama met Dohrn at Sidley and Austin (which was a small lawfirm) or through Michelle's contact with Dohrn, he might very well have met Ayers. Is that inconceivable? No.

* Is it only coincidence that Obama's job after leaving Harvard was at the firm of Davis, Miner and Barnhill from 1992 to 1995? Judson Miner was a personal friend and law school classmate of Dohrn. Why did Obama pick this firm, when he could have gone back to Sidley and Austin or clerked for the Supreme Court? Perhaps because of a contact through Dohrn? In which case, is it inconceivable he would have met Bill Ayers through this contact?

* Note that in 1991, Michelle quit the law firm of Sidley and Austin to work for Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley. Mayor Daley said he knew Ayers and also said that Obama and Ayers were "friends". Is it inconceivable that Michelle and Barack met Bill Ayers through this association with Mayor Daley? No.

You see, there may have been many opportunities for Obama and Bill Ayers to have met prior to 1995. An event that Obama would have had good reason during the Presidential Campaign and even now to keep secret. Because a long term association with a renown terrorist is not something that would helped his career. Or help it even now. As is, Obama threw Ayers under the bus the minute this became public. So much of Obama's past is hazy (like his grades and coursework at Columbia) and he's spent millions in legal and other fees making sure it remains that way. Perhaps this is just another reason why?

 

[BeAChooser]

Here's more for you folks to ignore:

http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/yavelow.htm

In early October, a friend of Chris Yavelow’s forwarded him a copy of my article, “Who Wrote Obama’s Dreams From My Father.”

… snip …

The friend knew that Yavelow, an award-winning composer and author, had worked for years developing what he believes is the most comprehensive linguistics tool for authorship detection, a software product trademarked as FictionFixer.

… snip …

When he ran the two books nominally by Barack Obama, the 1995 Dreams From My Father and the 2006 Audacity of Hope, through FictionFixer, he concluded, “They were written by different people.”

As Yavelow explains, authors don’t go from a 3.8 percent use of the passive voice in 1995 to an 8.3 percent use in 2006. For developing writers, the use of the passive almost always diminishes with experience.

Yavelow cites a score of other characteristics that change too conspicuously from one Obama book to the next, among them the Flesch Reading Ease score, the use of gender words, sentence starters, adverbs, discouraged words, sensory triggers, and more.

When, however, Yavelow compared Obama’s Dreams with Bill Ayers’ memoir, Fugitive Days, he found the similarity of the two books “striking.” He then quickly corrects himself: “’Striking’ is an understatement for the relationship FictionFixer uncovered between Fugitive Days and Dreams From My Father.”

For instance, Dreams averages 17.61 words and 26.48 syllables for non-dialogue sentences. Fugitive Days averages 17.62 words and 26.27 syllables.

Another example is what Yavelow calls “attributions”—e.g., he “asked,” she “said,” they “wondered.” Some authors use as few as three. Many use fewer than twenty. Dreams, however, uses 36; Fugitive Days 34, and with only four exceptions—three of these used only once—the two books use the very same attributions.

Yavelow compares the two books on any number of other characteristics and concludes, “There is a strong likelihood that the author of Fugitive Days ghost-wrote Dreams From My Father using recordings of dialog (either tape recorded or notes). Alternatively, another scenario could be possible: Ayers might have served as a ‘book doctor’.”

 

[BeAChooser]

And even more …

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/breakthrough_on_the_authorship_1.html

Within days of my going public last September with the speculation that terrorist emeritus Bill Ayers helped Barack Obama write his acclaimed memoir, Dreams From My Father, I learned that I was not alone in that intuition.

Since then, I have received helpful contributions from serious people in at least five countries and any number of states and have integrated many of their observations into my ongoing narrative, summarized here (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/who_wrote_dreams_and_why_it_ma_1.html ). If you are unfamiliar with this research, please read this before going forward.

Going forward, I will be referring to five books. These include Ayers' 1993 To Teach, his 1997 A Kind and Just Parent (shorthand: Parent), his 2001 memoir Fugitive Days, and Obama's 1995 Dreams From My Father (Dreams). … snip …

What Mr. Midwest noticed recently is that both Ayers in Parent and Obama in Dreams make reference to the poet Carl Sandburg. In itself, this is not a grand revelation. Let us call it a C-level match. Obama and Ayers seem to have shared the same library in any case. Both talk of reading the books of Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, W.E.B. Dubois and Frantz Fanon among others. In fact, each misspells "Frantz" as "Franz."

Ayers and Obama, however, go beyond citing Sandburg. Each quotes the opening line of his poem "Chicago." From Dreams:

He poured himself more hot water. "What do you know about Chicago anyway?"

I thought a moment. "Hog butcher to the world," I said finally.

From Parent:

"At the turn of the century, Chicago had a population of a million people and was a young and muscular city - hub of commerce and industry, the first skyscraper city, home of the famous world exposition, "hog butcher to the world" - bursting with energy."

This I would call a B-level match. What raises it up a notch to an A-level match is the fact that both misquote "Chicago," and they do so in exactly the same way. The poem actually opens, "Hog butcher for the world."

Last week, the first email I received from Mr. West had in the message box "759 striking similarities between Dreams and Ayers' works."

… snip …

Mr. West's analysis was systematic, comprehensive, and utterly, totally, damning. Of the 759 matches, none were frivolous. All were C-level or above, and I had no doubt of their authenticity.

… snip …

I read through all 759 matches and culled out those that I would consider B-Level or above. There were 180 of these. As a control, I tested them against my own 2006 book Sucker Punch, like Dreams and Fugitive Days a memoir that deals extensively with race. In that I am closer to Ayers in age, race, education, family and cultural background than Obama is, our styles should have had more chance of matching. They don't. Of the 180 examples, I matched, strictly speaking, on six. Even by the most generous standard, we matched on only sixteen.

Let me just cite a few matches between Ayers' work and Dreams that I found intriguing.

… snip …

Mr. West independently came to the same conclusion that I did, namely that Ayers was not meaningfully involved in Audacity. These two Obama books almost assuredly had different primary authors. What should be transparent to any literary critic is that the author of Audacity lacked the style and skill of the author of Dreams.

… snip …

Bill Ayers was no one's ghostwriter. The now overwhelming evidence strongly suggests that he used the frame of Obama's life and finished it off with his own ideas, his own biases, his own experiences, his own passions, his own friends, even his own romances, all of this toned down just enough to keep Obama viable as a potential candidate.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

I can examine work that I have done 11 years apart and find a striking difference in the nature of how I write. In fact I would imagine that people could compare this post to my first and find a striking difference between the two.

Actually I was looking recently at a paper I wrote on Fair Use for my intro to Writing class, and I compared it to a paper about Watchmen that I am working on, and you know what? There is a huge difference, which goes to show that two different people wrote them.

I mean it isn't like simple things like increasing education, changes in personality and diction and reading diverse works could ever have an effect on the nature of not only how a person writes, but actually thinks about writing.

11 years is a huge gap in the span of a human life.

 

[timhau]

11 years is a huge gap in the span of a human life.

Only if you're working under the assumption that black people can learn.

 

[timhau]

Here's more for you folks to ignore:

You really don't understand how to use sources, do you?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Only if you're working under the assumption that black people can learn.

Of course. I am forgetting my WND course in writing...nothing ever changes and no one ever learns anything...especially not them people that don't pass the color test to be president. Seriously though...I have read things written by Reagan about the draft that seem to fall by the wayside when it comes to his tenure as president...I wonder why Cashill doesn't throw that through his buddy's writing program?

 

[NotJesus]

[Snipped a load of stuff frantically culled from the right-wing blogosphere, as I predicted.]

1. You're using an awful lot of "could have," might have," and "is it inconceivable?" to prop up your absolute certainty. That's kind of a big red flag.

2. Ayers was joking.

 

[Upchurch]

You see, there may have been many opportunities for Obama and Bill Ayers to have met prior to 1995.

But no evidence that they did. New York and Chicago are big places with lots of people. It is entirely possible to be in proximity without ever meeting someone. There are lots of people around me that I've never met. Some just across the street.

Also, a mail carrier who sees "a tall and thin young black man" is hardly convincing. There are lots of those in Chicago.

So, unless you have evidence, this is just wishful thinking on your part.


And I love how you minimize Ayers' involvement in the book to make it fit within the small timeframe. Yes, five months is still an extremely short period of time to even re-write someone else's book and, even then, you would not be claiming that Ayers wrote Obama's book. You are claiming that he edited it.

Give it up, BAC. In order for you CT to work, a very large series of unlikely events would have to occur. Possible, yes, but also unlikely. The lack of any evidence puts the last nail in its coffin.

 

[Upchurch]

How long does it take to publish a book?

Case closed. Given the time frame we know Ayers and Obama knew each other, Ayers had no opportunity to write Obama's book, which would have already been in the publication process at that time.

 

[Emet]

Here's more for you folks to ignore:

Here's more for you to ignore:

Nothing new here--story goes back to 2009.

Far-right sites have been spreading a post around today by blogger Anne Leary, who wrote that she ran into Obama acquaintance and 2008 election albatross Bill Ayers at an airport. Leary writes how Ayers, unprompted, unleashed a long-winded confession confirming one of the more absurd conspiracy theories floating around the fringes: that Ayers secretly authored Obama's bestselling memoir, Dreams From My Father.”
I emailed Ayers to see if he could shed any light on the story. His response:
“You've all lost your minds,” he wrote. “Best of luck in the twilight zone.”

 

[timhau]

He didn't say 'no'!!!

 

[jargon buster]

Last week, the first email I received from Mr. West had in the message box "759 striking similarities between Dreams and Ayers' works."

last week I had a look through Ayres works and Dreams and found one massive similarity, they were all made up of letters arranged into words and strung together in sentances....Oh and they had front and back covers on them.