Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[sheeplesnshills]

Uh...dude. The last minutes to hit the buildings required only that the aircraft go STRAIGHT.

duh.

You're not very bright.

No he isn't but you are wrong about the last two minutes of at least two of the flights.....the plane that hit WTC2 had to bank hard to hit and the one that hit the Pentagon made a 270 degree turn...........only the first plane, the one to hit the WTC1 seemed to fly straight in.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You keep asking this. How is it in any way relevant to the topic at hand?

ETA: And who in the name of sweet Jehosaphat is "us"?

I suspect he has a multiple personality disorder........he probably argues with the other voices in his head!

 

[Oystein]

My qualification is simply writtent in the first slide of my power point! Why sould I repeat it everytime. I told it one time, that's all.
...

You LIE. Your qualification is NOT written in the first slide of your power point. That slide only identifies you as an "engineer". An engineer is not per se a scientist. It does not inform us of your degree, your area of expertise, and, well, your qualifications.

Allah saw your lie! Pray that he won't punish you for it!

 

[Oystein]

...
But they are NEVER killing innocents for pleasure, ONLY Israelis and some extremist americans are doing such crimes. And to be able to think to such crimes for pleasure, you, personally, you should be Israeli or extremist american, or both.

Apart from the problem that this is simply racist: Nobody claims that Muslim Atta and his 18 fellow terror Muslims did their crimes "for pleasure".

 

[Oystein]

I decided to never lie on major subjects. I can understand that you are unbelieving that a honest Turkish scientist speaking so much against the official story! But I decided to do it. Yes I am scientist, I can speak on many subjects and explain how they work and I dare to criticise the official story.



You have lied several times. The last time about slide 1 of your presentation giving your qualifications.

I must ask you again, as this is important - your claim to be a scientist is central, as you claim authority. You claim your arguments are better because you are a scientist. However, without making a plausible case for this claim, you are simply deceiving us. Allah does not approce of deceivers!

You did not answer an easy, straightforward and legitimate question I asked earlier:

Mehmet, on slide 73 (titled my motives) of the PowerPoint doc that I downloaded from your website, you describe yourself as a scientist. Based on what qualifications do you deserve such a title?

Please answer it now! Did you go to university? What did you study? Which degree did you get and in what subject? Have you previously published anything at all in any scientific journal? Have you worked in a scientific position for any kind of laboratory, or do you have any other job on your curriculum vitae that legitimately includes the word "scientist"?
If you do not provide specific and plausible answers to any of these questions now, we will be forced to conclude that you lied in your published presentation and are not in fact a scientist!
Do you hopeAllah will overlook your lies?

When will you answer us if you are Turkish or not?

Please explain why it matters whether someone is Turkish or not when arguing the topic! Is this a racist thing?

 

[dafydd]

For people without qualifications, I understand you, especially if you were true Turkish Muslim.

But for me, with too many key qualifications in the required domains, after so many years of investigation and fully honest people, I have the obligation to speak out and tell all strong true assertions. I do not have the right to remain silent. If not, I will live will the huge load of knowing the truth and do not telling it! Do you understand?

Again: Are you Turkish, or not?

Doesn't Allah tell you not to lie? What are your qualifications?

 

[Jackanory]

The most radical Muslims are making :
- Totally cover their wives.
- Forbid to themselves to make some "bad" considered actions.
- Defend their countries against foreign invaders.

But they are NEVER killing innocents for pleasure, ONLY Israelis and some extremist americans are doing such crimes. And to be able to think to such crimes for pleasure, you, personally, you should be Israeli or extremist american, or both.

The lies, the lies and more damn lies. Off to hell you go with no supper.....no virgins for you.

 

[LashL]

Please tone things down in here, folks, and stop the bickering and personal comments and instead concentrate on the topic. The topic is not each other (except to the extent of qualifications or lack thereof), nor is it whether or not another member is Turkish.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[mehmetin]

Still avoiding backing up your claims to being a scientist and we both know why that is. As a Muslim, are you hoping for forgiveness of your lie because you are lying to infidels or for a greater good?*

Lots of talk of lofty ideals there, Mehmet, but sadly it cannot belie the nonsense contained in this thread.

ETA: Just noticed: "I decided to never lie on major subjects." So the scientist thing is just a small lie?

You are really crazy. Since long time, I decided to never lie on major subjects, and all science work about 9/11 is a major subject, very big major subject.

I answered toall your questions. Now, it's your time to answer: Are you Turkish?

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
May be I missed your meaning, but the regular succession is not as you called it "between previous doorbell". We should change your words as :
if each guest rings your doorbell within a window of exactly 3 to 9 minutes of the end of the lunch of the previous guest, then obviously one person was controlling all of the arrivals according to the end of the lunch of the previous guest. Any other explanation is impossible.

Any way, the example of succession of lunch was good to be considered.

This should be fairly obvious to any reader, but this (specifically, "any other explanation is impossible") is an extremely shoddy conclusion. There are most certainly other explanations, the most probable of which would be "people tend to eat lunch within a certain time each day, and the variance in when your guests chose to eat lunch led to them arriving within a certain period of the previous guest finishing as a coincidental but tangentially related consequent of this fact." In other words, the hijackers knew there was a certain time window to act within, and chose an opportune moment within that window to act. So the fact that they took place near each other in time is accounted for by a loose synchronization of action, and the fact that they occurred in sequence the way they did is a coincidence made more probable by the previously mentioned synchronization.

By extension of your logic, I could easily say "I heard someone cough within 5 minutes of me posting on JREF every time I posted on JREF today, which means that someone was telling them to cough when I posted on JREF. Any other conclusion is impossible."

This is not an event that repeats itself every day according to some work timing. Same for lunch example and jref posting example.

Also, it's important to find some explanation why different teams followed each other in such a manner. I am open to hear all considerations to explain "How and Wwy 4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks?"

I am waiting your good examples, I hope you'll dare to give some realistic ones.

 

[Oystein]

You are really crazy. Since long time, I decided to never lie on major subjects, and all science work about 9/11 is a major subject, very big major subject.

I answered toall your questions. Now, it's your time to answer: Are you Turkish?

One post above yours, a Moderator warned everybody to stay on topic. The question whether or not someone is Turkish was specifically mentioned as something that is OFF-topic. I reported your post for this reason to the Moderators.

However, the question of qualification is valid and important. You have claimed to be a scientist, and use this claim to support your theory. We therefore asked you several times now: What qualifies you as a scientist? What degree do you have in which field of science?

 

[NoahFence]

This is not an event that repeats itself every day according to some work timing. Same for lunch example and jref posting example.

Also, it's important to find some explanation why different teams followed each other in such a manner. I am open to hear all considerations to explain "How and Wwy 4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks?"

I am waiting your good examples, I hope you'll dare to give some realistic ones.

Boxcutters and fake bombs and the element of surprise and knowing how we'd react to a hijacking.

Because they don't like us.

4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks?"

You make it sound like they hijacked a plane, ran off that one, ran to the next one and continued until they had 4 planes.

If they had 50 hijackers they could have taken 10 planes. What's the surprise?

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
Nothing proves that the last part is teh easiest one. Your own opinion. These operations were high security ones, they should succeed at 100% probabilty; the team can not leave the plane cross thousands of miles without controlling if it is going to the right directon, without any risk of collison with another aircraft, ... No, they should absolutely control teh plane up the vere near their target before leave it make the last straight way by its own as an automated control system requires it to be.

Learn to read and comprehend English.The last part is the HARDEST part and two of the three aircraft that did hit had anything but straight in approaches in the last minutes of flight. The odds of an mid air collision are tiny, if they couldn't make it go the right direction at any point how could possibly have been able to rely on it for the hardest part of the flight? very near the target??? A minute at 500mph is about 8 miles!

Even if the odds of an mid air collision are tiny, they can not dare to risk such possibility and the ymust check that the plane is flying in the right direction toward their target and they must be sure that nothing will disrupt the plot.

Hardest or easiest, the problem is that the plane must fly the last part under autonomous fly, without any influence from outside. That's the rule of automatic systems based on PID regulation loops.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin

But they are NEVER killing innocents for pleasure, ONLY Israelis and some extremist americans are doing such crimes. And to be able to think to such crimes for pleasure, you, personally, you should be Israeli or extremist american, or both.


I've seen videos of Muslims cutting peoples heads off.....they seemed to be taking considerable pleasure in doing so........
Your position that Muslims are always good is as silly as those bigots that say they are always bad.

On those videos of Muslims you can recognise nobody and you saw no figures taking pleasure. In the same time, other videos of peaople killing for pleasure were hidden from you http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,752918,00.html

 

[mehmetin]

Doesn't Allah tell you not to lie? What are your qualifications?

I told my qualifications, I will not tell more, and you have nothing to ask about my qualifications, you just have to answer by using logical and scientific arguments. If you are unable, you should question your own qualifications and may be ask for help to your criminal president G.W. Bush to supply some help for you using Dr. Bazant kind liar experts.

 

[Dog Town]

ETA: And who in the name of sweet Jehosaphat is "us"?

I'm guessing Meh, and his (in Gollum's voice) precious.

 

[mehmetin]

One post above yours, a Moderator warned everybody to stay on topic. The question whether or not someone is Turkish was specifically mentioned as something that is OFF-topic. I reported your post for this reason to the Moderators.

However, the question of qualification is valid and important. You have claimed to be a scientist, and use this claim to support your theory. We therefore asked you several times now: What qualifies you as a scientist? What degree do you have in which field of science?

You are wrong, I never used my qualifications to support my claims. I just explained my "motives"! My claims are supported by logics and science.

I am Turkish, Sideroxylon is also living in Turkey, that's whay I asked him if he is Turkish. There is nothing wrong in that question. That information has no consequences, jus to know it for myself. He can also send a PM if he don't want others know that.

 

[A Laughing Baby]

This is not an event that repeats itself every day according to some work timing. Same for lunch example and jref posting example.

Also, it's important to find some explanation why different teams followed each other in such a manner. I am open to hear all considerations to explain "How and Wwy 4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks?"

I am waiting your good examples, I hope you'll dare to give some realistic ones.

Here's a realistic one: the hijackers coordinated so that they'd have a window to hijack in, and by coincidence, their hijackings happened successively within that window. There's really no statistical justification to say that correlation or successive occurrence proves outside manipulation or control. That's an awfully large conclusion to jump to.

I think the issue here is you're looking for an explanation of an event that requires none, or in other words, I think you may be looking to give a tangible cause to pure coincidence. What your motives for doing so may be does not concern me. That you would make such a basic statistical mistake as an engineer, however, does.

 

[mehmetin]

Boxcutters and fake bombs and the element of surprise and knowing how we'd react to a hijacking.

Because they don't like us.

4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks?"

You make it sound like they hijacked a plane, ran off that one, ran to the next one and continued until they had 4 planes.

Yes it happened in such impossible succession and nobody explained it yet. So the question is still open: How and Why 4 different teams successded to make 4 successive hijacks?

 

[mehmetin]

Here's a realistic one: the hijackers coordinated so that they'd have a window to hijack in, and by coincidence, their hijackings happened successively within that window. There's really no statistical justification to say that correlation or successive occurrence proves outside manipulation or control. That's an awfully large conclusion to jump to.

If the events reated themself 4 times over 4, that means any coincidence could not be considered. Have a look to your statistics lessons.

I think the issue here is you're looking for an explanation of an event that requires none, or in other words, I think you may be looking to give a tangible cause to pure coincidence. What your motives for doing so may be does not concern me. That you would make such a basic statistical mistake as an engineer, however, does.

What! You think that 3000 people dead is not an event that requires to be explained up to the smallest detail? Don't fool yoruself, those events should be totally explained for justice and to avoid their repeat.

The succession of the hijacks should be explained!