9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Craig4]

Anti semitism, either open or ill concealed, is pretty damn common in the Truther Community.
Both Holocaust Denial and 9/11 Truth basically consist in ignoring evidence and facts because of a ideological agenda.


Nice try at a derail, though.

It probably stems from an inability to deal with failure in their lives. Lets face it, No one with a great job, a terrific wife, 2.3 loving kids, a nice house in the suburbs and a golden retriever needs a fantasy like this.

 

[TSR]

There is even more overwhelming evidence the 9/11 report was a fail.
Even Commission leaders of the Official Report say it "was set up to fail" (Kean, Hamilton).

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And yet, neither of these people dispute that 19 terrorists were responsible for four planes being crashed into three buildings and a field in Shanksville.

They had specific criticisms about the CYA going on when they investigated *one* of the reports on this matter.
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One quit, calling it "compromised" and "a scam...disgusting". (Senator Cleland).

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And which of the Commision's findings did he ever explicitly oppose?
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Is it too much to ask for the Commissioners to speak well of their own Report?

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Because after all, no Congressional commission has ever had similar criticism leveled at it.
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>confessions
After how many water boardings of KSM?

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None at all.
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[9/11-investigator]

Back on topic...

Some here maintain that revisionism is dead. It is not. Here a relatively new article from the Italian researcher Carlo Mattogno about what Birkenau in reality was in contrast to allied self-serving BS:

Conclusion

To sum up, Birkenau camp was created as a Kriegsgefangenenlager in October 1941 as a feature of the “Generalplan Ost”.

From September 1942, Birkenau became the selection center for Jewish manpower for German industries, either already in existence or in the planning stage, within the territory of Auschwitz, while simultaneously serving as a transit camp for non-able-bodied Jews deported within the framework of the Ostwanderung.

Starting in May 1943, this function was accentuated as the result of a vast program of “special measures for the improvement of the hygienic installations” and plans for an enormous hospital camp to conserve and treat Jews engaged in forced labor.

In May 1944, Birkenau also became a “transit camp” for the distribution of Jewish manpower into other concentration camps.

The alleged extermination of the Jews is refuted by this new historical perspective.

 

[dafydd]

Still waiting Nein. When are you going to grow a backbone?



1. Hans: Where is the text of these 'peace messages' 9/11 says Hitler was putting out early in the war.... Give us the details, the date it was sent by who, to whom and what did it say, full and complete details.

2. Hans: Why did 2.8 to 3.3 million Soviet POWs die in Nazi 'care'? More than 50% against 3.5% of western POW taken by the Nazis?

3. Hans: 9/11 give us your vision of the world in 1946 if the English and French hadn't declare war on Germany when it invaded Poland? What would have happened?

4. Hans: So why didn’t all the horribly terrible countries that wanted to attack Germany not do so? Why didn’t Russia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Britain and France just all attack in 1933, 34, 35,36,37 or 38 or 39 why sit there and wait for Germany to attack them? Elucidation 9/11?"

5. TSR: Prove a single lie from the *judgments* at Nuremberg.

6. TSR: Prove that Poland fought wars with *all* of its neigbhors for expansion post WWI.

7. TSR: Where in this document which you cited is the word "lebenstraum" even mentioned?

8. TSR: And what did Bullitt say to Cordell Hull in '36 and why?

9. TSR: What evidence does Suvorov cite in his book(s)?

10. TSR: What, specifically, did each of those tens of thousands you admit were shot "in the East" do to deserve being shot?

11. TSR: What does this from your own source do to your citation of Stefan Scheil as authority?

Dabei ignoriere Scheil folgende Tatsachen:
die Hoßbach-Niederschrift vom November 1937, nach der Hitler den Krieg gegen Polen angestrebt und für unvermeidbar erklärt hat,
Hitlers Kriegskurs seit dem Münchner Abkommen 1938,
unannehmbare Forderungen des NS-Regimes an Polen, so dass dessen Regierung eine gegenseitige Grenzgarantie im März 1939 ablehnte,
die „bewusst eskalierten Spannungen mit Polen im Sommer 1939“,
dass die Wehrmacht seit Juni 1939 angriffsbereit war,
dass die „teilweise martialischen Töne“ in Polen bedeutungslos waren, weil den Deutschen ihre reale militärisch-technische Überlegenheit klar war,
Hitlers Rede am 22. August 1939 vor Wehrmachtsgenerälen, in der er zur Zerschlagung Polens und Vernichtung seiner Führungsschicht aufrief und kein Eingreifen der westlichen Bündnispartner Polens erwartete,
dass Stalin Hitler mit dem Hitler-Stalin-Pakt nicht zum Krieg gegen Polen drängte, sondern dessen Angriffswillen für eigene gefahrlose Gebietsgewinne nutzte.

12. TSR: In what way am *I*, personally, an enemy of Europe?

13. dafydd: What Anne Frank's crimes were. Was she a spy,did she blow up any airfields,was she involved in a plot to kill Hitler? Why did the Nazis murder her?

14. TSR: What 'certain topics', relevant to the defense of the Nazis, were forbidden at the IMT?

15. TSR: What proof do you have theat the Polish, pre WWII, 'dreamed of marching on Berlin'?

16. TSR: What evidence do you offer that all 25k+ children mentioned just in the Jäger report alone were partisans engaged in atrocities?
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[9/11-investigator]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

Miyagi prefecture bore the full force of Friday's tsunami, and police said 1,000 bodies were found scattered across its coast. The Kyodo news agency reported that 2,000 bodies washed up on two shorelines in Miyagi.

Most Japanese opt to cremate their dead, and with so many bodies, the government on Monday waived a rule requiring permission first from local authorities before cremation or burial to speed up funerals, said Health Ministry official Yukio Okuda.

"The current situation is so extraordinary, and it is very likely that crematoriums are running beyond capacity," said Okuda. "This is an emergency measure. We want to help quake-hit people as much as we can."

The town of Soma has only one crematorium that can handle 18 bodies a day, said an official, Katsuhiko Abe.

"We are overwhelmed and are asking other cites to help us deal with bodies," Abe told The Associated Press.

Birkenau had 46 ovens [**] and 4 million dead (after some thorough testicle kicking). Later this number was reduced to 1.1M.

Now grab a piece of paper, a pencil and do some simple math and then decide if that figure is more in line with the 1.1M or the ICRC 53,633.

[**] In one glance you can see why that person in the oven died. Hint: not from 'gassing'.

 

[TSR]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake



Birkenau had 46 ovens [**] and 4 million dead (after some thorough testicle kicking). Later this number was reduced to 1.1M.

Now grab a piece of paper, a pencil and do some simple math and then decide if that figure is more in line with the 1.1M or the ICRC 53,633.

[**] In one glance you can see why that person in the oven died. Hint: not from 'gassing'.

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Still waiting for *real* answers to The 16 Questions
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[Wroclaw]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake



Birkenau had 46 ovens [**] and 4 million dead (after some thorough testicle kicking). Later this number was reduced to 1.1M.

Now grab a piece of paper, a pencil and do some simple math and then decide if that figure is more in line with the 1.1M or the ICRC 53,633.

[**] In one glance you can see why that person in the oven died. Hint: not from 'gassing'.

Different kinds of ovens.

Does Japan have ovens manufactured by Topf und Söhne that can burn up to four bodies at once?

Well, do they?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Different kinds of ovens.

Does Japan have ovens manufactured by Topf und Söhne that can burn up to four bodies at once?

Well, do they?

Any proof that these ovens were indeed routinely used to burn 4 corpses or were they only used to burn 4 corpses in case of emergency to combat one of the many epidemics?

In the picture I showed you I could only discern 1 corps.

Any proof for the unlikely circumstance that 4 corpses could be burned in the same time as 1 corps? It seems unlikely that the oven could be loaded with 4 times the standard amount of fuel necessary to keep the processing time equal to that of 1 corps.

Do you have pictures of an oven with 4 corpses in it?

Does the corps in the picture look like a gassed person to you?
Do you have a picture of an oven with a gassed person in it?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Any proof that these ovens

Not exactly a proof for the burning of multiple bodies, but a proof, that you are talking a load of crap with this post:

Nazis like Hoess confess that a maximum of 9000 people could be killed and cremated each day. That is the double their goal, which is presented in the document above.

And I cannot think of how many times bad and evil "hoaxers" like me have presented these figures to Hitler huggers like you. And not one time was your kind able to explain these figures.

The town of Soma has only one crematorium that can handle 18 bodies a day, said an official, Katsuhiko Abe.

Did they cremate the bodies to just get rid of them, or did they cremate each body alone, in which case they had to cool off the oven after a cremation, take the ashes out of it, and heat up the oven again for the next body?

burial to speed up funerals

So I guess not.

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Since everybody seems to have fun asking you questions you are unable to answer in any honest way, I join the club. If someone finds spelling or grammar errors, I would be thankful if he would correct them in future postings of the list:

1. Hans: Where is the text of these 'peace messages' 9/11 says Hitler was putting out early in the war.... Give us the details, the date it was sent by who, to whom and what did it say, full and complete details.

2. Hans: Why did 2.8 to 3.3 million Soviet POWs die in Nazi 'care'? More than 50% against 3.5% of western POW taken by the Nazis?

3. Hans: 9/11 give us your vision of the world in 1946 if the English and French hadn't declare war on Germany when it invaded Poland? What would have happened?

4. Hans: So why didn’t all the horribly terrible countries that wanted to attack Germany not do so? Why didn’t Russia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Britain and France just all attack in 1933, 34, 35,36,37 or 38 or 39 why sit there and wait for Germany to attack them? Elucidation 9/11?"

5. TSR: Prove a single lie from the *judgments* at Nuremberg.

6. TSR: Prove that Poland fought wars with *all* of its neigbhors for expansion post WWI.

7. TSR: Where in this document which you cited is the word "lebenstraum" even mentioned?

8. TSR: And what did Bullitt say to Cordell Hull in '36 and why?

9. TSR: What evidence does Suvorov cite in his book(s)?

10. TSR: What, specifically, did each of those tens of thousands you admit were shot "in the East" do to deserve being shot?

11. TSR: What does this from your own source do to your citation of Stefan Scheil as authority?

Dabei ignoriere Scheil folgende Tatsachen:
die Hoßbach-Niederschrift vom November 1937, nach der Hitler den Krieg gegen Polen angestrebt und für unvermeidbar erklärt hat,
Hitlers Kriegskurs seit dem Münchner Abkommen 1938,
unannehmbare Forderungen des NS-Regimes an Polen, so dass dessen Regierung eine gegenseitige Grenzgarantie im März 1939 ablehnte,
die „bewusst eskalierten Spannungen mit Polen im Sommer 1939“,
dass die Wehrmacht seit Juni 1939 angriffsbereit war,
dass die „teilweise martialischen Töne“ in Polen bedeutungslos waren, weil den Deutschen ihre reale militärisch-technische Überlegenheit klar war,
Hitlers Rede am 22. August 1939 vor Wehrmachtsgenerälen, in der er zur Zerschlagung Polens und Vernichtung seiner Führungsschicht aufrief und kein Eingreifen der westlichen Bündnispartner Polens erwartete,
dass Stalin Hitler mit dem Hitler-Stalin-Pakt nicht zum Krieg gegen Polen drängte, sondern dessen Angriffswillen für eigene gefahrlose Gebietsgewinne nutzte.

12. TSR: In what way am *I*, personally, an enemy of Europe?

13. dafydd: What Anne Frank's crimes were. Was she a spy,did she blow up any airfields,was she involved in a plot to kill Hitler? Why did the Nazis murder her?

14. TSR: What 'certain topics', relevant to the defense of the Nazis, were forbidden at the IMT?

15. TSR: What proof do you have theat the Polish, pre WWII, 'dreamed of marching on Berlin'?

16. TSR: What evidence do you offer that all 25k+ children mentioned just in the Jäger report alone were partisans engaged in atrocities?

17. Kevin.Silbstedt: Why would they according to this document need to cremate 4756 bodies in 24 hours at Auschwitz-Birkenau?

18. Kevin.Silbstedt: Why would according to this document Leichenkeller I of the Krematorium III need a gas tight door (=gasdichte Tür) AND 14 shower heads (=Brausen)? Quite an amazing coincedence that eyewitnesses and perpetrators discribed the shower heads as installations to fool the victims, isn't it? What's your explanation for that?

19. Kevin.Silbstedt: If all the witnesses (like Henryk Tauber) and perpetrators (like Josef Erber) are just liars, why do the four wire net Zyklon B introduction columns appear on this document as "Drahtnetzeinschiebevorrichtungen" together with their wooden covers (=Holzblenden)?

20. Kevin.Silbstedt: Since a study by the Institute of Forensic Research in Cracow find cyanid traces in the walls, why would you need a delousing chamber in a crematory?

21. Kevin.Silbstedt: Why would Karl Bischoff call one of the "Leichenkeller" of Krematorium II a "Vergasungskeller" (=gassing cellar), if the nazis were such great people, that they didn't have to "vergasen" (=gas) anyone?

22. Kevin.Silbstedt: Why does a letter of Erhard Wetzel also speak of such installations? (first page, second page)

23. Kevin.Silbstedt: Why would they according to this document need to to PREheat (=vorwärmen) Leichenkeller I of Krematorium II and III? And "pre" what?

24. Kevin.Silbstedt: If the "Leichenkeller I" of the Kreamtorium II and III weren't gas chambers for extermination, then what the hell was their function? They had shower heads, gas tight doors, a ventilation system, were supposed to be be preheated and so on. Oh and don't fantasize here, proof your claims with evidence like eyewitness accounts, documents, forensic studies or whatever.

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I could go on forvever, but since you won't answer any of those questions anyway, **** it. Where do I get my jew gold now?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Not exactly a proof for the burning of multiple bodies

Thanks.

Nazis like Hoess confess that a maximum of 9000 people could be killed and cremated each day. That is the double their goal, which is presented in the document above.

Hoess confessed (under torture) that 2 million perished in Auschwitz under his supervision. The total number was estimated at 4M.
What is your opinion about that 2M figure? Does that make Hoess a reliable witness? He signed a confesson in English, not his own language. How credible is that?

Read about the Hoess confession scam here.

What is your opinion about torture in general, a medieval practice carried out by Americans on a routinely basis?

What is your opinion about victors justice? Does that exist?

 

[TSR]

Hoess confessed (under torture) that 2 million perished in Auschwitz under his supervision. The total number was estimated at 4M.

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No, he didn't.
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What is your opinion about that 2M figure?

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My (rather more informed than your) opinion is that he testified that he was *told* that figure by Eichmann, not that he was speaking from personal knowledge.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that you, yourself, have made no exact notes regarding the figures of the number of those victims because you were forbidden to make them?

HOESS: Yes, that is correct.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore correct that exclusively one man by the name of Eichmann had notes about this, the man who had the task of organizing and assembling these people?

HOESS: Yes.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore true that Eichmann stated to you that in Auschwitz a total sum of more than 2 million Jews had been destroyed?

HOESS: Yes.

DR. KAUFFMANN: Men, women, and children?

HOESS: Yes.

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BTW -- was Höss one of the defendants at this trial?
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Does that make Hoess a reliable witness? He signed a confesson in English, not his own language. How credible is that?

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Well, since he didn't, your statement has no credibility. Not that anyone is surprized at this turn of affairs.
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Read about the Hoess confession scam here.

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The scam is your trying to pretend that Butler is a credible source.
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[9/11-investigator]

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No, he didn't.

Yes, he did:

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/hoess confession.jpg

Still convinced you are 'well-informed'?

The scam is your trying to pretend that Butler is a credible source.
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Who??

The source was Robert Faurisson.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Hoess confessed (under torture) that 2 million perished in Auschwitz under his supervision. The total number was estimated at 4M. Read about the Hoess
confession scam here.

Hoess was not tortured. The Robert Faurisson ( a holocaust denier) article carried by Radio Islam article has been debunked. For example Faurisson stated that "When Hoess was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shirt in the bitter cold" because Faurisson didn't check the photos. Here is Hoess on exercise.
http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN 40/beeld-15.jpg

The Faurisson article forgets to mention that the Hoess confession was counter signed by Josef Maier of the US Chief of Counsel's office and not the British private and sargent who Faurisson claims were doing the beating. Somehow Faurrison thinks British privates "knew" all about Treblinka to fake the confession

I agree the British kept Hoess awake for 24 hours after his second arrest as stated by Pvt. Ken Jones "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," However this is because Hoess lied when he was first arrested Hoess "I took the name Seamen Franz Lang and traveled with marching orders to the Navel Intelligence School on the Isle of Sylt"

Faurisson then just gets silly "It was Clarke's duty to censor the letters sent by Höss to his wife and children.... Every policeman knows that the power to grant or withhold permission to a prisoner to write to his family constitutes a psychological weapon" Clarke was only with Hoess for three days before moving on.

Fairisson continues "A tarpaulin had been thrown over him (Hoess) to hide the more obvious signs of ill-treatment" yet when we see a photo of Hoess without a tarpaulin on him there isn't a mark on his face ....after being beaten around the head with axe handles?

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/hoess_rudolf-COM-Auschwitz.GIF

http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/3/3b/Rudolf_höß.jpg

http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/public/cms/70/92/169/379/8v3oAX_web.jpg

 

[tsig]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake



Birkenau had 46 ovens [**] and 4 million dead (after some thorough testicle kicking). Later this number was reduced to 1.1M.

Now grab a piece of paper, a pencil and do some simple math and then decide if that figure is more in line with the 1.1M or the ICRC 53,633.

[**] In one glance you can see why that person in the oven died. Hint: not from 'gassing'.

This seems to fascinate you.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Thanks.

Well thank you for quote mining me and ignoring my real arguments. That such a high cremation capacity was possible shows the cremation of multiple bodies and again, perpetrators and witnesses say the same.

Hoess confessed (under torture) that 2 million perished in Auschwitz under his supervision.

You have absolutly no proof, that Höß just confessed this, because he was tortured.

And your link and logic are so *********** stupid, no sane person would believe it. Want an example?:

Here are the words Hoess uses to describe, in succession, his arrest by the British; his signing of the document that would become NO-1210; his transfer to Minden-on-the-Weser, where the treatment he underwent was worse yet; his stay at the Nuremberg tribunal's prison; and, finally, his extradition to Poland.

I was arrested on 11 March 1946 [at 11 pm].

My phial of poison had been broken two days before.

When I was aroused from sleep, I thought at first I was being attacked by robbers, for many robberies were tkaing place at that time. That was how they managed to arrest me. I was maltreated by the Field Security Police.

I was taken to Heide where I was put in those very barracks from which I had been released by the British eight months earlier.

At my first interrogation, evidence was obtained by beating me. I do not know what is in the record, although I signed it. Alcohol and the whip were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had got into my wife's luggage. It had hardly ever touched my horse, far less the prisoners. Nevertheless, one of my interrogators was convinced that I had perpetually used it for flogging the prisoners.

After some days I was taken to Minden-on-the-Weser, the main interrogation centre in the British Zone. There I received further rough treatment at the hands of the English public prosecutor, a major.

Well guess what! I have read this book. And he not only mentions the torture in it, but also that he didn't believe the high number of victims at Auschwitz. Hmm, is that bad for the holocaust? **** no, because according to his own numbers 1,13 Million Jews died in the larger actions at Auschwitz and in the very same friggin chapter he wrote this:

„Ich war unbewußt ein Rad in der großen Vernichtungsmaschine des Dritten Reiches geworden. Die Maschine ist zerschlagen, der Motor untergegangen und ich muß mit. Die Welt verlangt es.“

If you don't know what a "Vernichtungsmaschine" is, google is your friend. But beware, I heard he is jewish.

and in another chapter of the same book he wrote this:

„Alles sah auf mich – ich gab dem diensthabenden Unterführer einen Wink, und er nahm die sich heftig sträubenden Kinder auf die Arme und brachte sie mit der herzzerbrechend weinenden Mutter in die Kammer. Ich wäre am liebsten vor Mitleid von der Bildfläche verschwunden – aber ich durfte nicht die geringste Rührung zeigen. Ich mußte alle Vorgänge mitansehen. Ich mußte, ob Tag oder Nacht, beim Heranschaffen, beim Verbrennen der Leichen zusehen, mußte das Zahnausbrechen, das Haarabschneiden, all das Grausige stundenlang mitansehen. Ich mußte selbst bei der grausigen, unheimlichen Gestank verbreitenden Ausgrabung der Massengräber und dem Verbrennen stundenlang dabeistehen. Ich mußte auch durch das Guckloch des Gasraumes den Tod selbst ansehen, weil die Ärzte mich darauf aufmerksam machten.“

So let me guess, he was allowed to write about torture and to deny the higher number of victims, but they torture him so, that he would exactly tell us the number, which is believed to be right today and still discribe gas chambers and the industry of destruction under the nazis?

This idiotic cherry picking is just one of the reasons why every competent historian just laugh at you morons.

The total number was estimated at 4M.
What is your opinion about that 2M figure? Does that make Hoess a reliable witness?

There are no "credible witnesses" in History. Each claim, each witness makes is compared with other witnesses and other forms of evidence. Nobody believes any claim, just because the person, that makes this claim, was right in the past. I already presented you a document which showed their goal of cremation capacity. If you take the usage of burning pits to this, the number Höß said, is not that far away.

What you are doing is just an ad hominem argument on Hoess. Well guess what, I heard he was a nazi, hmm, maybe we shouldn't trust him. And you know what, what he says about the number of vctims has **** to do, with what he says about the cremation capacity.

And by the way, what is your evidence on the other hand? Documents? Eyewitnesses? Forensic Studies that went through peer review? Perpetrator testimonies?
No, just that some crematory in Japan could not cremate as many people as those in Auschwitz-Birkenau? How *********** retarded do you have to be...

Til this day I have not seen a single nazi testimony, in which the whole holocaust was denied. All they always did, is to claim that it was done by someone else.

 

[kageki]

Til this day I have not seen a single nazi testimony, in which the whole holocaust was denied. All they always did, is to claim that it was done by someone else.

What exactly do you mean by "whole Holocaust"?

Here is Nick Terry:

http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopi...d&sid=a43817bde21a770b43742f59732bc7a4#p41543

"To answer that question: a hell of a lot of Nazis denied knowledge of extermination. Given their jobs that was to be expected."

"Maybe you can find some non-revisionist who argued that "no Nazi ever denied gas chambers" but they would be incorrect."

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

What exactly do you mean by "whole Holocaust"?

That the "Endlösung der Judenfrage" means the physical destruction of the jews by gas chambers, forced work, mass shooting, death marches, what ever.

Here is Nick Terry:

http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopi...d&sid=a43817bde21a770b43742f59732bc7a4#p41543

"To answer that question: a hell of a lot of Nazis denied knowledge of extermination. Given their jobs that was to be expected."

"Maybe you can find some non-revisionist who argued that "no Nazi ever denied gas chambers" but they would be incorrect."

1. I wrote: "I have not seen a single nazi testimony", I don't deny the existence of such testimonies, I just haven't seen them. And to be more clearly, I mean of course a nazi who would know of gas chambers and other stuff.
2. Is Nick Terry a nazi involved in the final solution? No? So why do you think I would just believe Nick Terry, who could be the best damn guy in the whole world, but I just don't believe in authority. So if you are trying to make a point here, don't show me what Nick Terry says, show me a testimony.
3. All he said, is that the nazis denied the extermination. Well, duh. I wanted a testimony in which a nazi not only said "Yeah, well I didn't do it, it was that guy over there." I wanted a testimony saying something in the direction of "Well, no that's absolutly impossible, we never did that and I would know that."

 

[Nick Terry]

That the "Endlösung der Judenfrage" means, the physical destruction of the jews by gas chambers, forced work, mass shooting, death marches, what ever.



1. I wrote: "I have not seen a single nazi testimony", I don't deny the existence of such testimonies, I just haven't seen them. And to be more clearly, I mean of course a nazi who would know of gas chambers and other stuff.
2. Is Nick Terry a nazi involved in the final solution? No? So why do you think I would just believe Nick Terry, who could be the best damn guy in the whole world, but I just don't believe in authority. So if you are trying to make a point here, don't show me what Nick Terry says, show me a testimony.
3. All he said, is that the nazis denied the extermination. Well, duh. I wanted a testimony in which a nazi not only said "Yeah, well I didn't do it, it was that guy over there." I wanted a testimony saying something in the direction of "Well, no that's absolutly impossible, we never did that and I would know that."

FYI no such testimony exists. A certain number of higher Party officials, i.e. on the civilian side of the regime, tried to claim that they thought the Final Solution meant resettlement but they could produce no details. Ergo, their testimonies are self-serving and worthless.

A much smaller number of senior SS officers like Gottlob Berger and Kurt Wolff denied aspects of the Final Solution when put on the spot in court cases, in usually non-credible ways.

If one descends to the level of SS men involved in any killing institution, i.e. a camp commandant or Einsatzgruppen chief down to the enlisted men serving in these institutions, then the most I have found to date is a single SS private who admitted there were gas chambers at Majdanek but was evasive about Auschwitz (and was clearly not credible on this even just reading the interrogation transcript), plus an early denial from Josef Kramer which was then reversed on a subsequent interrogation.

Otherwise, every single SS man who served at one of the death camps or in a mobile killing unit admitted they were working in institutions that were carrying out mass murder.

In my estimation, more than a thousand German witnesses admitted direct knowledge of gassings at one or other site between 1939-45.

60% of the population when polled postwar admitted knowing something of the extermination of the Jews.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

If one descends to the level of SS men involved in any killing institution, i.e. a camp commandant or Einsatzgruppen chief down to the enlisted men serving in these institutions, then the most I have found to date is a single SS private who admitted there were gas chambers at Majdanek but was evasive about Auschwitz (and was clearly not credible on this even just reading the interrogation transcript), plus an early denial from Josef Kramer which was then reversed on a subsequent interrogation.

Otherwise, every single SS man who served at one of the death camps or in a mobile killing unit admitted they were working in institutions that were carrying out mass murder.

Thanks, not only for this quote, but for your whole post.

So we have one guy, that just denied the gas chambers of Auschwitz but acknowledged their existence in Majdanek and one guy, who denied the final solution, but then reversed. That's not much, well it's actually nothing. And I don't think any denier here is able to correct this, or?

If I ever would want to fake something big with lots of people involved, I just ask the jews.

 

[Saggy]

60% of the population when polled postwar admitted knowing something of the extermination of the Jews.

We can always count on hoax scholar Nick Terry for the completely absurd. The Germans knew it, the US population knew it too, thanks to endless articles in the NYT sourced to the World Jewish Congress, and articles in the Reader's Digest, and a pageant that toured the major cities written by Hollywood scriptwriter Ben Hecht, the Nazis knew it: that Jews were being exterminated en masse in gas chambers at Auschwitz. The only ones who didn't know it were the Jews right outside the gas chambers. Proof .... here they are ....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/photo35.html

The holohoax is an astounding pack of degenerate lies, told by .... well, you figure it out.