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Japan earthquake + tsunami + nuclear problems

oh yeah about that radioactive source in the sky - really need to do something about that...

According to the WHO Report about 48 thousand melanoma related deaths occur worldwide annually.

but do keep campaigning against the safest major power source....perhaps you can ponder on the deaths from coal your campaign has contributed to... :garfield:
 
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Just think - it's going to stop being news soon......

Fukushima nuclear accident: Saturday 19 March summary
Posted on 20 March 2011 by Barry Brook

Last Saturday the the crisis level at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station was rapidly on the rise. Hydrogen explosions, cracks in the wetwell torus and fires in a shutdown unit’s building — it seemed the sequence of new problems would never end. A week later, the situation remains troubling, but, over the last few days, it has not got any worse. Indeed, one could make a reasonable argument that it’s actually got better.

Yes, the IAEA has now formally listed the overall accident at an INES level 5 (see here for a description of the scales), up from the original estimate of 4. This is right and proper — but it doesn’t mean the situation has escalated further, as some have inferred. Here is a summary of the main site activities for today, followed by the latest JAIF and FEPC reports. You also might be interested in the following site map:

Another large cohort of 100 Tokyo fire fighters joined the spraying operation to cool down the reactors and keep the water in the spent fuel ponds. The ‘Hyper Rescue’ team have set up a special vehicle for firing a water cannon from 22 m high (in combination with a super pump truck), and today have been targeting the SNF pond in unit 3. About 60 tons of sea water successfully penetrated the building in the vicinity of the pool, at a flow rate of 3,000 litres per minute. Spraying with standard unmanned vehicles was also undertaken for 7 hours into other parts of the the unit 3 building (delivering more than 1,200 tons), to keep the general containment area cool. The temperature around the fuel rods is now reported by TEPCO (via NHK news) to be below 100C.

Conditions in unit 3 are stabilising but will need attention for many days to come. Promisingly, TEPCO has now connected AC cables to the unit 1 and 2 reactor buildings, with hopes that powered systems can be restored to these building by as early as tomorrow (including, it is hoped, the AC core cooling systems), once various safety and equipment condition checks are made.

Holes were made in the secondary containment buildings of Units 5 and 6 as a precautionary measure, to vent any hydrogen that might accumulate and so prevent explosions in these otherwise undamaged structures. The residual heat removal system for these units has now been brought back on line and these pools maintain a tolerable steady temperature of 60C. More here. These buildings were operating on a single emergency diesel generator, but now have a second electricity supply via the external AC power cable.

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http://bravenewclimate.com/
 
Japanese mayor urges evacuation after discovering government ignored, misled him and his people about true dangers of nuclear fallout.

'We have been betrayed': Mayor of town near stricken Japanese nuclear plant claims his people have been 'abandoned'

[Some stunning pictures accompany this article.]

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"Japan has 5.5 million vending machines, each using as much power as an average household, said Canadian speechwriter and publicist John Harris, who is based in Japan's Chiba prefecture. Add that up, and it requires as much power as the entire capacity of the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant at a time when Japanese are being asked to conserve electricity, he said.

The nearly 1 million machines operated by Coca-Cola, which because they use both refrigeration and heating are the "biggest power hogs," are still running even as train service is curtailed, he said."

Japan still struggling to restore power to cool down reactors
 
Japanese mayor urges evacuation after discovering government ignored, misled him and his people about true dangers of nuclear fallout.

'We have been betrayed': Mayor of town near stricken Japanese nuclear plant claims his people have been 'abandoned'

[Some stunning pictures accompany this article.]

~~~

"Japan has 5.5 million vending machines, each using as much power as an average household, said Canadian speechwriter and publicist John Harris, who is based in Japan's Chiba prefecture. Add that up, and it requires as much power as the entire capacity of the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant at a time when Japanese are being asked to conserve electricity, he said.

The nearly 1 million machines operated by Coca-Cola, which because they use both refrigeration and heating are the "biggest power hogs," are still running even as train service is curtailed, he said."

Japan still struggling to restore power to cool down reactors


For a soda vending machine to use as much power as an "average household" it would have to be either a very big soda machine, or an average household which doesn't use much power. I've seen plenty of soda machines plugged in to the 20 amp receptacles on the side of a construction office trailer.

I think somebody is exaggerating.
 
I kept wondering why they didn't plan for just such a disaster? It doesn't seem like anyone there can honestly say, "Who could see this coming?"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...study-showed-Fukushima-plant-was-at-risk.html

It's disgusting. The level of human ignorance, greed and pride, that has brought us to this. Those still defending the Japanese, as if they are just poor innocents, you disgust me as well.

You seem to have some previous grudge against the Japanese, here. Or is it because you're trying to be the biggest armchair, hindsight analyse you can imagine ?
 
For a soda vending machine to use as much power as an "average household" it would have to be either a very big soda machine, or an average household which doesn't use much power. I've seen plenty of soda machines plugged in to the 20 amp receptacles on the side of a construction office trailer.

I think somebody is exaggerating.

Not necessarily. Those vending machines tend to have very poor insulating because of function and display. Running a compressor can be energy intensive. Plus there are the lights, electronics and small motors. Small house, big vending machine, some rounding off and it's possible.
 
shall we ban lightning too....nasty stuff...

Am I correct in that we still don't really understand completely how lightning works.

It always struck me as a potential "alternative energy source", I imagine that brighter people would have had the same thought.

Is there any particular reason why there aren't 'lightning farms' either to generate our own for energy purposes, or to harvest the naturally occurring stuff?
 
kinda spiky ;)

and there are still many unknowns about lighting.
We have reliable safe power in nuclear and as with all human inventions it can be made better.

Be nice if it was a priority instead of say fighter technology :garfield:
 

It's the castrating surgical robotic arm that uses all the juice. ;)

A typical refer vending machine uses around 500 watts, at $0.10kWh that's about $450 a year, or $37.5 a month. That's about what I use before debt retirement fee and delivery ;)

I think "per household" is what the guy meant instead of "per house", but it's surprisingly accurate. I'm guessing 2 maybe 3 vending machines consume what the average house uses each year.

Now they've just got to drop all those Coke machines off at the plant and cool that sucker down.
 
QUESTION:

Does anyone know what happens to the surrounding area of the plants going by the current situation? Will they become non-habitable for many years, and how big this area will be?
 
Japan detects radiation in milk, spinach near stricken plant
Japanese officials say amounts detected so small that people would have to consume unimaginable amounts to endanger their health.

don't drive in traffic- you get more toxins

Seriously tho it's not radiation it's radioactive particles still emitting radiation and there is no way to know that as well.
Depends on the state of the fuel rods and if much got carried away by the water deluge.

The plant will remain high risk for a long while - I doubt there will be any lingering effects in the populace nearby.
 
People keep saying that. It's not true. Another way to do something similar (but less efficiently) is to use excess power to pump water uphill into a reservoir. Then you can let it out (through a dam obviously) when you need power.

Regardless of the technology used to generate power, building that kind of flexibility into the grid is a good idea.

This has been explored. The areas where there is a suitable land structure are very few (typically a fjord with fairly impervious rock around it). Even so:

1) converting electricity to pumping (mechanical) and reverting to electicity (mechanical) is very inefficient. (plus additional losses through ground leakage and evaporation)

2) A good size fjord will at best handle one moderate size generating station. There are simply not enough to go around.

3) The infrastructure to build and maintain such a pumping operation is incredibly overwhelming and expensive in itself.

4) there are very real legal and environmental obstacles to such a scheme on a widespread application.

Unfortunately many of the 'easy' alternative solutions simply sound good till someone does the math.
 
Seriously? You genuinely don't know the reason?

There is more oddity to this mix. Home rooftop generation (impractical as it is) only works in [eco shudder] suburbia. When you get people out of private free standing homes and pack them close to public transportation for car-free living, the roof to inhabitant ratio gets much worse.
 
This study estimates 985,000 deaths.

The report I referred to was authored by the IAEA, the WHO, several UN agencies, and several other international organizations. It estimated the number of deaths due to an increased rate of cancer from exposure to radiation from the Chernobyl accident. The total number of deaths that have already or will occur and be caused by Chernobyl, according to that report, is ~9,000.

The vast majority (all but 50 or so) of those 9,000 deaths would come among the (comparatively large) population that received a low dose of radiation. The report arrives at 9,000 deaths by making an assumption about how increased cancer risk depends on exposure to radiation at very low doses. The assumption is that the dependence is linear: if exposure to 100 units of radiation increases cancer risk by 1%, then - under this linear assumption - 1 unit of radiation exposure increases cancer risk by 0.01%.

That assumption was made because it is regarded as very conservative - meaning that it is believed to overestimate the risk. Studies of various populations exposed to radiation have not confirmed it. On the contrary, they have shown that below a certain threshold, there appears to be no risk (in fact a few studies have shown that below a certain threshold, exposure to radiation actually decreases risk of cancer, i.e. it's good for you). The reason it's hard to be sure if this is that the change in cancer rates at these low doses (whether positive, negative, or zero) is very small compared to the background (cancer rates in the normal population).

If you assume a relationship of cancer rates to exposure that includes that threshold - so you use a relationship based on data, rather than the conservative and simplistic relation assumed in the IAEA et al report - you find that there are and will be something on the order of 100 deaths as a result of exposure to radiation from Chernobyl, in total (rather than 9,000). If nothing else, that tells you that the total deaths predicted by such studies are almost entirely determined by what they assume about increased cancer rates at very low doses of radiation.

Biologically a threshold is intriguing, but not entirely surprising - the relationship between cancer and exposure to low levels of environmental radiation turns out to be complex and very interesting. Just as a quick example, most organisms get cancer at about the same rates humans do - if you divide by their typical lifetime. In other words a 2-year-old rat is likely to have cancer, just like a 70 year-old human - but a 2-year-old human baby is extremely unlikely to have it. So cumulative with time (linear) exposure of mammal cells to environmental/cosmic ray radiation cannot account for cancer rates (in fact it's completely wrong), even though such an assumption might seem reasonable a priori.

Coming back to your link - 1,000,000 deaths? I don't think so. Based on what I know, that's completely out of the question. It must be based on some wild extrapolation of cancer rates at extremely low levels of radiation. It exceed a conservative estimate by a factor of 100, and a more reasonable estimate by a factor of 10,000.
 
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Not necessarily. Those vending machines tend to have very poor insulating because of function and display. Running a compressor can be energy intensive. Plus there are the lights, electronics and small motors. Small house, big vending machine, some rounding off and it's possible.

Not likely.

Are you disputing the fact that they typically are connected (often a couple) into a single branch?

Do you expect a cold drink machine (probably the most energy intensive) to be less efficient than a home refrigerator?

Be realistic.
 
Not necessarily. Those vending machines tend to have very poor insulating because of function and display. Running a compressor can be energy intensive. Plus there are the lights, electronics and small motors. Small house, big vending machine, some rounding off and it's possible.


Many things are "possible" when one is sufficiently selective about picking examples. The operative term in this case is "average".

The writer compared presumably average (since he spoke of "millions" of them) vending machines with explicitly "average" homes and made the claim that their power consumption is equivalent.

5.5 million vending machines, each using as much power as an average household

This is the claim which needs to be supported, not whether some households might use the same amount of energy as some vending machines.
 
It's the castrating surgical robotic arm that uses all the juice. ;)

A typical refer vending machine uses around 500 watts, at $0.10kWh that's about $450 a year, or $37.5 a month. That's about what I use before debt retirement fee and delivery ;)

I think "per household" is what the guy meant instead of "per house", but it's surprisingly accurate. I'm guessing 2 maybe 3 vending machines consume what the average house uses each year.


So you're guessing he only exaggerated by 200 or 300 percent? I guess I could go with that.

Except ...

Now they've just got to drop all those Coke machines off at the plant and cool that sucker down.


... he didn't say "Coke machines" in his comparison. He slipped that in in the next paragraph. I might be willing to consider that two or three soda machines use the equivalent of an average house ... maybe, but then there are all those other vending machines which don't have refrigeration or other major power drains. Maybe a couple of light bulbs, which probably aren't even incandescent.
 

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