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Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

If we had unlimited resources we could build tsunami proof structures. They might have to be solid concrete and over 5 stories high in some places. But the fact there is a building or two still standing is evidence it can be done.


That doesn't mean it's Tsunami proof. It just means it survived this particular Tsunami. The best we can do is make buildings earthquake- or tsunami-resistant. We build them to withstand what we consider to be a likely level of event, and quietly hope we don't get an event that exceeds that.

I suspect a rapid-release M9 quake at low depth and in near proximity would flatten even Cheyenne Mountain.
 
Get some rest, gumboot. This post is a sign of stress. The vast majority of humans on the planet care about their fellow humans.


Only as long as they're plastered across their TVs. The moment something more exciting catches the media's interest we forget.
 
Something on stilts with the ground floor entirely open seems to have a good chance. Stuff like that (open car parking area at ground level) seemed to do quite well. There was some stuff I saw about actually building tsunami-shelter structures of that nature into public buildings so that people knew they had somewhere close by to run to.

Soapy Sam pointed out that this sort of structure isn't necessarily ideal for resistance to the actual earthquake though.

Rolfe.
 
Hey, I am considered a cynical bastard by most, buy you are way,way,over the top.
And the Haiti Earthquak and Indonesian Tsunami got the same 24/7 media attention for the first few days..at least in the US.


That's kind of my point. Whatever current disaster is most attention-grabbing is viewed as the worst calamity ever. But the moment the cameras turn away, no matter how bad the situation might still be, no one cares any more.

We'll continue to care about Japan because Japan's a first world country with enormous media saturation and a huge economy, which means the "story" will last longer. The media's only interested if it evolves, because they get bored easily.

The economic impact on the world and the ever-available media coverage locally ensures that the Japan crisis will remain somewhere in the last 10 minutes of each news briefing for many, many months to come.

Meanwhile in much more dire situations like Haiti, where the ongoing crisis has no impact on us directly and hasn't really evolved to offer new stories for the media, the media are silent, perhaps giving brief coverage on anniversaries when some aid agency releases a report detailing how bad everything still is.

And I'm not trying to be a moral grand-stander here. I'm equally as bad as anyone else in this regard. I'm as mad at myself as anyone else, but mostly at the media, because they have far too much control over how we feel and what we regard as important.
 
Something on stilts with the ground floor entirely open seems to have a good chance. Stuff like that (open car parking area at ground level) seemed to do quite well. There was some stuff I saw about actually building tsunami-shelter structures of that nature into public buildings so that people knew they had somewhere close by to run to.

Soapy Sam pointed out that this sort of structure isn't necessarily ideal for resistance to the actual earthquake though.

Rolfe.



If you built them on base isolators they should be okay.
 
I wonder if a Zorb would be useful in a tsunami situation.

I don't know wether to laugh or fall silent in awe.

Eta: But I doubt it would survive being crushed by floating cars, trains, houses, ships... :(
 
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You've been watching too much James Bond!

The number of cases of people seen to be swept away later showing up alive is quite surprising - and heartening. I suppose it depends on where you're swept to.

Rolfe.
 
Originally Posted by BeAChooser
There are few if any faults in or near California that can generate the sort of earthquake that caused the Japan tsunami. The big faults in Southern California aren't even in the ocean. ....

Could you be more poorly informed about how tsunamis work?

LOL! You could not do more to prove you can't even read or think, SG. I stand by what I said. There are indeed few if any faults in or near California that can generate the sort of earthquakes that caused the Japan tsunami. The big faults in Southern California aren't even in the ocean. Those statements are entirely accurate given the bolded portions.

Cascadia subduction zone
Great earthquakes in Chile and Alaska
A large Hawaiian Island landslide

None of those sources are "in or near California". And in the same post that you reponded to, after saying what you quoted and calling me uninformed, I specifically mentioned the threat from the Cascadiia subduction zone with considerable detail and indicated it was serious. I mentioned the threat from Alaskan quakes, as well, although they aren't nearly as serious to most California communities (as history has proven).

I did not mention earthquakes in Chile being a threat to California for a reason. Because they aren't. Chile is almost 3 times as far away as Alaska from California. The most powerful earthquake ever recorded, the 9.5 magnitude 1960 Valdivia quake, did not produce a significant tsunami in Southern California, despite the fact that Hilo in Hawaii was devastated by a tsunami caused by the quake. The reason it devastated Hilo, which is also about the same distance as California, had a lot to do with the specific shape of Hilo Bay. In fact, Hilo bay not only focused the deep ocean wave but had a shape that caused the water draining out from the first wave to reinforce the incoming second wave. In California, the largest tsunami heights were on the order of 1 to 2 meters. San Diego, Los Angeles and Long Beach all saw a tsunami under 3 feet in height. Even Crescent City saw a tsunami runup that was less than that from the Alaskan quake I mentioned. Sure, these waves did damage but nothing remotely comparable to the recent Japan tsunami. And all the damage was confined to the coast itself ... damage to boats and docks, for example. Furthermore, it takes about 14 hours for a tsunami from Chile to travel to California. That provides time to react that Hilo and Japan did not have … Hilo because, at that time, they didn't have a tsunami warning system in place in the ocean.

As to the threat from a large Hawaiian Island landslide to California … most conceivable landslides (into the ocean) in Hawaii would not mobilize enough ocean to create a wave that could propagate to California with any appreciable height. Other Hawaiian Islands, perhaps, but not to California. Even if the entire flank of Kilauea were to fall into the sea, which is quite unlikely in the foreseeable future, tsunami heights in California would still not be a serious concern. At most locations, waves would be much smaller than those from the 1960 Chile quake. And who is my source for this? Why the USGS: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/other/landslide.html .

So perhaps you are the one who doesn't really understand tsunami physics, SG? :D
 
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I don't know if this has been posted already, but if you'd like to donate to help with the dire situation in Japan, check it out...

http://skepticalteacher.wordpress.c...fort-for-japanese-earthquaketsunami-disaster/
Folks, over the last few days I’ve spent much time and energy in trying to correct many misconceptions (and yes, some outright lies) concerning the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. Of course, while the Fukushima situation is serious, the level of severity due to the broader earthquake & tsunami damage is orders of magnitude worse; so, in the spirit of lighting candles in the darkness, I want to pass along this appeal from the Center For Inquiry’s SHARE (Skeptics and Humanists Aid and Relief Effort)…
 
It's kinda tough to care about something you don't know about, Gum.

I think that is Gumboot's point

Perhaps, but then it'd be a moot point. If it's a matter of course then there's no other way. Gumboot seems to suggest that we should act otherwise, so I'm not sure that's what he meant.


A bit of this. It's true that we can't care about something we don't know about, but if we're aware of the existence of the disaster, and have reasonable grounds to assume recovery is going to take a long time, we can't really claim "I didn't know about it" as an excuse for ceasing to take any interest in how events are unfolding once the cameras are turned off. If we wanted to we could make an effort to follow the situation.

These seems to be a consistent trend in the media. Not just with natural disasters, but with any sort of major long-term event. We saw the same thing with the Iraq War. I don't know if it's just the media's fault (always searching for a new story) or if we've just developed appallingly short attention spans, or what, but we seem to really lack any ability as a people to commit to anything long term.
 
Only as long as they're plastered across their TVs. The moment something more exciting catches the media's interest we forget.
Did you miss all the stories of people risking their lives to help their neighbors? How about the massive increase in donations to the Red Cross?

You are focusing on the wrong people.
 
This morning they found a man alive after 9 days.

In the bodies found so far, the cause of death was drowning for 90%.

The number of dead and missing is now over 18,000.
 

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