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Merged nuclear power safe?

a_unique_person said:
Given the poor quality of information coming from the site to date, I don't think we can trust their assessment. The official expert American reports have been very alarming. The incident is without doubt much more serious than TMI.
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And these ratings/estimations from all the experts around the world, sans those on the ground, are based on what evidence?
 
Skwinty said:
No you are not wrong.

Read that in conjunction with this

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
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Thanks for the confirmation.

(P.S. With all due respect - and I mean that sincerely because your hands on experience with the material is most welcome - but I posted that IAEA link an hour ago in that thread and posted a current Japanese (JAIF) status report before that.

As Rolfe pointed out the topic is getting scattered a bit over various threads.)
 
Bluespaceoddity said:
As Rolfe pointed out the topic is getting scattered a bit over various threads.)
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Yes, the discussion is getting all over the place.

I commented on that 2 days ago, but I don't think the mods will do anything about it as it is too far gone now.

I suspect however that the problems are starting to plateau out at Fukushima now and the spent fool pool temperatures should start dropping soon.

Well, I sincerely hope so. Incidentally, the pdf file was posted this morning and I will not reveal the source of that report. Suffice it to say that is from within the industry.

Do you think the problems are going to get worse?
If so, would you hazard a guess as to why?
 
a_unique_person said:
From the shambles the experts on the ground have produced to date, I think I will treat their latest statement cautiously.
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So, you're ignoring the guys on the ground in favor of guys informed by the "shambles" of information presented by the guys on the ground.

That seems a very rational place to start.



"The information coming from the site is in shambles"
"These other guys, who base their assessment on the information coming from the site are more likely to be right so that's what I'm going to base my opinion on..."
 
BobTheDonkey said:
So, you're ignoring the guys on the ground in favor of guys informed by the "shambles" of information presented by the guys on the ground.

That seems a very rational place to start.



"The information coming from the site is in shambles"
"These other guys, who base their assessment on the information coming from the site are more likely to be right so that's what I'm going to base my opinion on..."
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If you read around, I have seen pro nuclear sites that are very annoyed at the poor level of information coming out the TEPCO. It seems to be a pattern of behaviour for the company.
 
a_unique_person said:
If you read around, I have seen pro nuclear sites that are very annoyed at the poor level of information coming out the TEPCO. It seems to be a pattern of behaviour for the company.
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I'm not defending the quality of the communications from the site. I am, however, knocking your decision to base your opinion on the opinions of people not on site, preferring instead those off-site whose information is based, in large part, I suspect, on the same low quality communications you claim is evidence the Japanese level is incorrect.
 
a_unique_person said:
If you read around, I have seen pro nuclear sites that are very annoyed at the poor level of information coming out the TEPCO. It seems to be a pattern of behaviour for the company.
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Well, to be fair, TEPCO has a lot more pressing problems to resolve other than disseminating information that only a few have first hand experience of.

I think they need a bit of slack in this regard. The whole world knows that the problems are serious and it is IMO unreasonable to expect minute to minute updates.
 
Skwinty said:
Yes, the discussion is getting all over the place.

I commented on that 2 days ago, but I don't think the mods will do anything about it as it is too far gone now.

I suspect however that the problems are starting to plateau out at Fukushima now and the spent fool pool temperatures should start dropping soon.

Well, I sincerely hope so. Incidentally, the pdf file was posted this morning and I will not reveal the source of that report. Suffice it to say that is from within the industry.

Do you think the problems are going to get worse?
If so, would you hazard a guess as to why?
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I thought the drop in radioactivity around the rubble of reactor building 3 as a result of the spraying operation was a welcome sign of improvement and I think that the fact that the diesel generator of reactor 5 can be used to cool the rods in reactor buildings 5 and 6 is also a good sign.

However, because of the state of the control rooms and the reactor buildings 1,2,3 and 4 as reported in English language Japanese sources I am not as optimistic about the possibility of connecting the power grid to the existing equipment of those reactor buildings as some commentators have been.

I do think it will be easier to run external equipment once that power line is routed all the way to the affected area. (No TV don't know how that is going at the moment). Hopefully it will also allow them to gauge the status of the cores and containment vessel water levels and pressures more accurately. In addition to the spent fuel pools - reactor 2 remains my concern because of the uncertainty over the shape the torus is in - based on the updates from Japanese sources
 
@Bluespaceoddity,

I agree with your general optimism.
Lets hope the drywell which houses the torus is intact.

The pipes from the reactor pressure vessel to the torus are at quite a high elevation so I would think that only aerosols are leaking into the torus.
 
GlennB said:
That will include all those idiots who happily melt Al scrap in their garages and back yards to make Al castings then? What was the nature of your "double check"? Just put casting aluminium into Google.
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I did. Thats not aluminum though.
 
technoextreme said:
I did. Thats not aluminum though.
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:confused:

Aluminium and aluminum are just alternative spellings. Both refer to the metallic element whose symbol is Al

Are you thinking of alumina, which is aluminium oxide? Or maybe it's me who's nuts.
 
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know very much about nuclear power, if anything. I've been relying on news reports and statements from people much more knowledgeable than me to determine how much I should be worried. But I thought I'd try to put the situation in Japan into perspective, relative to a nuclear disaster we're all aware of; namely Chernobyl.

I belong to a mailing list for intelligence professionals, and yesterday someone posted a link to the following blog, detailing a motorcyclist's trip through the relatively "safe" areas surrounding Chernobyl. The pictures that accompany the trip are a stark picture of what happens when we are ill prepared for something like this. That area will be uninhabitable for the next 300-600 years, depending upon estimates, and the containment on the reactor itself is currently crumbling and needs to be rebuilt, so if it fails, that estimate could be a lot longer, considering the amount of radioactive material still contained within it.

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

Seeing those pictures, and knowing that thus far the Japanese seem to be employing all the efforts they can to prevent a reactor explosion as well as performing all the correct actions as regards their population that are within the danger zone, in direct contrast to the Russian government when it came to Chernobyl, I begin to be much less worried. I'm aware that they may decide to bury the number 6 reactor in sand and concrete, which is an indication that the situation is worsening somewhat, but given that they are considering that in an effort to PREVENT the reactor from exploding in the manner of the Chernobyl reactor, I think the rest of the world needs to just step back and take a deep breath. The Japanese people are doing everything possible to prevent another nuclear disaster, and lets face it, like someone else on here said, the Japanese suffered through two nuclear bombs and yet still went on to utilize nuclear power, so the panic I'm hearing about is not only useless but, quite frankly, utterly stupid.

Again, I don't know that much about nuclear power, but when you compare this situation to Chernobyl, you begin to see that, unlike Chernobyl, Japan is making every effort to prevent the worst from happening. That reassures me somewhat. I just wish people would stop scaremongering and the media would stop sensationalizing the whole thing.
 
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