Merged nuclear power safe?

[Skwinty]

After the reactors are rubbished, what are the Japanese going to do with the nuke waste?

As of 2009 there were 442 nuclear power plants world wide with a further 65 under construction.

All of them will be decommissioned at some stage.

What will be done with the radioactive waste?

Probably cut up into small pieces, encased in concrete and buried in a waste repository.

Infinitely better than dumping in the ocean.

 

[Kestrel]

Ichi : number one
ni : number 2


IIRC Dai ichi means big number 11 and daini big number 2 or simply an enumeration first, second.

First and Second.

 

[Kestrel]

Don't know. Probably barrel and bury, but if the waste is useful they could use it in a breeder reactor maybe?

The best option is to let the short term radionuclides decay. Recycle the fissionable material into new reactor fuel. Then bury the junk that is left.

 

[JihadJane]

An in-depth IAEA study, described as a "three-volume, 600-page report and incorporating the work of hundreds of scientists, economists and health experts, assesses the 20-year impact of the largest nuclear accident in history" had this to say about the health effects on humans:

...an estimated 2,200 radiation-caused deaths can be expected during their lifetime....

....About 4,000 cases of thyroid cancer, mainly in children and adolescents at the time of the accident, have resulted from the accident's contamination and at least nine children died of thyroid cancer; however the survival rate among such cancer victims, judging from experience in Belarus, has been almost 99%...

Not quite the radiological disaster on human health as one might have thought given the seriousness of the accident.

No, 9/11 was over-hyped too. That was only three thousand deaths.

 

[bikerdruid]

How much does the long-term safety of nuclear power depend on our advanced industrial civilization remaining stable and intact for many generations or, perhaps, for centuries?

this has always been my greatest concern.
mark corrigan, whose opinions i value, seems to think that nuclear power can maintain the stability of civilization.
energy needs are certainly not the only pillar of civilization.

the world is controlled by stupid greedy people.
nuke facilities make great targets.
stupid greedy people will eventually be lobbing missiles at each other.

i worry about the stability of the facilities and the incredibly long term storage that is required for wastes.
stupid greedy people are, after all, stupid and greedy people.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Don't know. Probably barrel and bury, but if the waste is useful they could use it in a breeder reactor maybe?

Integral Fast Reactors and Liquid Fueled Thorium Reactors are designed to burn up waste products, even ones from other reactors, leaving behind waste that lasts only 300 years.

 

[BenBurch]

Integral Fast Reactors and Liquid Fueled Thorium Reactors are designed to burn up waste products, even ones from other reactors, leaving behind waste that lasts only 300 years.

Thorium Energy Amplifiers can do this as well. And are sub-critical piles, which is probably a selling point to the irrationally fearful.

 

[Travis]

Yeah but you'll need "Death Trains" to get the fuel there.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Thorium Energy Amplifiers can do this as well. And are sub-critical piles, which is probably a selling point to the irrationally fearful.

Energy Amplifiers are a component of some LFTR designs, aren't they?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Yeah but you'll need "Death Trains" to get the fuel there.

Are those the trains run by elderly people?

 

[Sunstealer]

After the reactors are rubbished, what are the Japanese going to do with the nuke waste?

Hopefully ship it to, and dump it in the offices of the BBC and Channel 4 amongst other scaremongering, scientifically illiterate, voyeuristic, undignified, ignorant, alarmist, western meedja-vultures.

You can also add this idiot to the list as well.

Europe's energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger pulled no punches, dubbing Japan's nuclear disaster an "apocalypse."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110315/twl-japan-quake-live-report-4bdc673.html Well what does he call the earthquake and tsunami that has killed thousands? A [rule 10] children's tea party?

[The] global warming [debate] could well be immaterial now - are populaces (especially in Germany and other countries who have "Green" parties) going to accept "Nukular" or continue to burn oil/gas or use windmills and accept power for only a few hours a day?

 

[Skwinty]

Yeah but you'll need "Death Trains" to get the fuel there.

Nonsense, once the fuel has spent sufficient time in the spent fuel pool, it can be boxed up and kept in dry storage with very little radiation emanating from the box.

It can then be loaded onto trucks, trains or planes and shipped anywhere.

 

[Sunstealer]

Thorium Energy Amplifiers can do this as well. And are sub-critical piles, which is probably a selling point to the irrationally fearful.

Accelerator driven sub-critical system? Last time I looked into that was a couple of years ago and I think there was an experimental design being built in Italy somewhere.

 

[timhau]

Europe's energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger dubs Japan's nuclear disaster an "apocalypse,"

As long as the only fatality in the plant is due to a crane that collapsed during an aftershock, I wouldn't call this even a nuclear disaster. Serious? Yes. Cause for concern? Yes. But 'disaster' or 'apocalypse'?

 

[Eddie Dane]

Well I've just watched a ZDF special about the nuclear issue and here is what I've learned.

Remember Chernobyl? That was bad. Here are some pictures of deformed babies.
Nuclear is an outdated way to get power.
We don't need it. Germany could just go for renewables.
The radiation in japan is 400 units per hour. A human can only survive 2 units per year.
Remember Chernobyl? That was bad. Here are some pictures of deformed babies.
Whistle blowers have revealed that there are many safety breaches at German plants. these are covered up.
Chernobyl is still costing Ukraine 5% of its GDP, the mess will not be cleaned up for another hundred years.
Remember Chernobyl? That was bad. Here are some pictures of deformed babies.
Here is a nuclear engineer reminiscing about Chernobyl
Here is a list of types of cancer you can get from radiation.
here is another whistle blower from the German nuclear industry showing a graph with ever increasing incidents.
Deformed babies
Children who live near Nuclear facilities have higher chance of cancer.
All six reactors in japan are at risk.
Game shot in Bavaria is still measured to be inedible due to radiation from Chernobyl.

This mainstream German TV.

I think you can forget about that nuclear renaissance.

 

[Rasmus]

The] global warming [debate] could well be immaterial now - are populaces (especially in Germany and other countries who have "Green" parties) going to accept "Nukular" or continue to burn oil/gas or use windmills and accept power for only a few hours a day?

Germany has long before (2000) decided to no longer accept "Nukluar". Existing plants were being phased out and new ones were not going to be build - the plan is to switch over to other energy sources: Mostly renewable or "green" energy but fossil as well - and I suspect they plan on adding magick fairy dust to the mix any time soon.

Since they had apparently some difficulties acquiring enough of the fairy dust, they granted an extension of the existing licenses last year - and have now revoked those extensions in the light of the events in Japan.

(Apparently, both these decisions will be fought in the courts.)

 

[Eddie Dane]

Germany has long before (2000) decided to no longer accept "Nukluar". Existing plants were being phased out and new ones were not going to be build - the plan is to switch over to other energy sources: Mostly renewable or "green" energy but fossil as well - and I suspect they plan on adding magick fairy dust to the mix any time soon.

Since they had apparently some difficulties acquiring enough of the fairy dust, they granted an extension of the existing licenses last year - and have now revoked those extensions in the light of the events in Japan.

(Apparently, both these decisions will be fought in the courts.)

I also just learned from German TV that they produce way to much energy and cab easily decommission five plants.

 

[Debaser]

Hopefully ship it to, and dump it in the offices of the BBC and Channel 4 amongst other scaremongering, scientifically illiterate, voyeuristic, undignified, ignorant, alarmist, western meedja-vultures.

Having watched the coverage this evening they may as well have gathered the dozen or so special reporters they've managed to ship out to Japan, between them, into one long line and just had them masturbating whilst repeating the mantra '...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...' it was about as informative.

To have Jon Snow, at one point, marvel that people were more concerned that they'd lost their homes, families and life as they'd known it due to the tsunami, than about the imminent '...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...huh...', Jesus wept.

So, a couple of questions for legal minds;
Is it still illegal to shoot the wilfully ignorant?
Since the earthquake and tsunami that has evidently killed many thousands of human beings is due to the entity known as 'Earth', can those who openly admit to being 'Friends' of the Earth be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit, or aiding and abetting?

 

[Christian Klippel]

I also just learned from German TV that they produce way to much energy and cab easily decommission five plants.

Yeah, they say that. And they have shut down 7 plants now, at least one of them permanently.

However, what they forget to mention: The produced electricity does not disappear into a vacuum. Instead it is sold to other countries. Without that supply of energy, however, these countries need to get it elsewhere. Which means that other countries will supply that, produced by coal and nukes again.

So in the end exactly nothing changed.

Some people over here are even going so far and say that we could easily buy electricity if we need to bridge the gaps, and that those nukes would then be placed in France, in which case a disaster would be way more harmless, because it would 1) not hit us directly and 2) because France has a less dense population.

These people really start to make me sick.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

you told me a story about the plant not being vented and an explosion was risked to prevent fearmongering, i asked for a source, you failed to provide it.
once you provide a source for your story, i will read it, but you dint do so.

Where was the qualifications of your experts that you promised to provide, DC?