Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Some conspiracy theorists two thousand years from now who only have access to today's news accounts (but with no pictures or video footage of the tsunami) might claim there was never a Tsunami because there are so many conflicting accounts of the problems with the nuclear reactors.

And also conflicting accounts on how many actual plants were damaged.
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Really? You steep so low that you use the _actual_and_ongoing_ suffering and death of thousands of people in Japan for a silly attempt to advance your ridiculous attempt of an argument?

Do you like being disgusting? With people like you i'm feeling ashamed to be part of what we call "human society".
 
joobz said:
Logic dictates that at best three are wrong and one is right. At worst, all are wrong.

One said it was an angel.
Another said it was two angels.
the third said it was a man
the forth said it was two men.

THESE ALL CAN'T BE TRUE.
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I've already brought in a link that logically explains the "one and two" alleged discrepancies, and regarding angels:

From the article: What does the Bible teach about angels?

"When angels do appear, they generally appear in the form of men {Thus names like Gabriel and Michael}. In Genesis 18, Abraham welcomed three angelic guests who appeared at first to be nothing more than some travellers. In the following chapter, two angels went to Sodom where they were assumed to be simply a pair of human visitors."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html

And this site states angels are mentioned 108 times in the OT and 165 times in the NT:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html

And the above alleged discrepancies just proves without a doubt the 4 Gospels are overall independent accounts.
 
Christian Klippel said:
Really? You steep so low that you use the _actual_and_ongoing_ suffering and death of thousands of people in Japan for a silly attempt to advance your ridiculous attempt of an argument?

Do you like being disgusting? With people like you i'm feeling ashamed to be part of what we call "human society".
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So you don't want to analyze all facts, just facts that are non-emotional?

And the Bible doesn't shy away from talking about tremendous human disasters and sufferings.
 
DOC said:
So you don't want to analyze all facts, just facts that are non-emotional?

And the Bible doesn't shy away from talking about tremendous human disasters and sufferings.
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How about the suffering of Jesus on the cross.
What were his last words?

Why do you refuse to answer this?
Are you scared that there might be contradictions?
Did you not say that all contractions can be explained?
What's up DOC?
 
Lothian said:
How about the suffering of Jesus on the cross.
What were his last words?

Why do you refuse to answer this?
Are you scared that there might be contradictions?
Did you not say that all contractions can be explained?
What's up DOC?
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His famous last words (verbatim):

 
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DOC said:
If I go to the pope's funeral and write to someone that I saw president Bush there, and a newspaper article writes there were 4 US presidents there, that doesn't mean one of us is wrong. There is no contradiciton between the 2 accounts. There would only be a contradiction if I wrote president Bush was the only president at the pope's funeral.
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I could be wrong but the Biblical account was not describing a large throng, was it? Based on this assumption, lets adjust the analogy to say it is a private wake after the funeral. If one person reports there was one president and another says there were four at the intimate gather we might be wondering why the discrepency.
 
Lothian said:
How about the suffering of Jesus on the cross.
What were his last words?

Why do you refuse to answer this?
Are you scared that there might be contradictions?
Did you not say that all contractions can be explained?
What's up DOC?
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What is your argument; don't I post enough in this thread, or do you just not want to take the time and energy to make an argument.
 
DOC said:
Why should I spend a lot of time on an issue that someone else might have spent hours or days researching and thinking about. The logical thing to do is to read possible explanations first and if they make sense, they make sense. If none of them make sense then spend the time on the issue yourself.
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I have spent a lot of time on the following issue. I have found no explanation which makes sense. That is why I need your help.
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DOC said:
The book cited in post #1 talks of the alleged angel discrepancy on pages 284 and 285:
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Does the book cited in post #1 talk about the following discrepancy?
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DOC said:
Everyone in the US should be able to access that link.
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I think everyone in the US can read the following question.
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DOC said:
As I have said before, that should send up a red flag -- but I know it will continue.
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If someone keeps ignoring the following question does it send up a red flag?
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DOC said:
If I go to the pope's funeral and write to someone that I saw president Bush there, and a newspaper article writes there were 4 US presidents there, that doesn't mean one of us is wrong. There is no contradiciton between the 2 accounts. There would only be a contradiction if I wrote president Bush was the only president at the pope's funeral.
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If two or more people reported that someone's last words were different there would be a contradiction between the accounts. This causes me to wonder.....
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DOC said:
I've already brought in a link that logically explains the "one and two" alleged discrepancies, and regarding angels:
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but no link answering
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DOC said:
Name one alleged NT discrepancy that you can't find a logical explanation for on the web.
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Funny you should ask. There is one I am curious about.

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DOC said:
What is your argument; don't I post enough in this thread, or do you just not want to take the time and energy to make an argument.
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I am asking a question. That strange symbol that appears after 'What were Jesus' last words' is a question mark. It is not an argument. I am simply trying to work out which NT accounts we can agree are fabrications.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
I could be wrong but the Biblical account was not describing a large throng, was it? Based on this assumption, lets adjust the analogy to say it is a private wake after the funeral. If one person reports there was one president and another says there were four at the intimate gather we might be wondering why the discrepency.
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Not necessarily, for example if I was enamored with Bill Clinton, and he was at a wake and Gerald Ford (when he was alive) and George Bush Sr. were off in a corner:

1) I might not see them

2) I might see them and not even know who they are like some young adults or uneducated people like Mary Magdeline.

3) I might see them but not really care because I don't know much about them.

4) I might be so excited about Bill Clinton, I just might not even think about mentioning the others at the time.
 
DOC said:
Not necessarily, for example if I was enamored with Bill Clinton, and he was at a wake and Gerald Ford (when he was alive) and George Bush Sr. were off in a corner:

1) I might not see them

2) I might see them and not even know who they are like some young adults or uneducated people like Mary Magdeline.

3) I might see them but not really care because I don't know much about them.

4) I might be so excited about Bill Clinton, I just might not even think about mentioning the others at the time.
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Anything can be explained, cant it. Despite what you said earlier.

You seem like a knowledgeable chap on such matters, so could you help settle an argument between me and a mate? We recently got into a heated discussion about what Christ's final words were. Thanks in advance.
 
Lothian said:
I am asking a question. That strange symbol that appears after 'What were Jesus' last words' is a question mark. It is not an argument. I am simply trying to work out which NT accounts we can agree are fabrications.
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Make your argument and I"ll respond.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Anything can be explained, cant it. Despite what you said earlier.
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No, not anything can be explained. If I said I saw Ronald Reagan at a wake last month, that could not be explained. If I said I saw Bill Clinton at a wake on Wednesday in LA and he was in Haiti all day Tue Wed and Thurs that could not be explained.
 
DOC said:
No, not anything can be explained. If I said I saw Ronald Reagan at a wake last month, that could not be explained. If I said I saw Bill Clinton at a wake on Wednesday in LA and he was in Haiti all day Tue Wed and Thurs that could not be explained.
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People see Elvis, dude. And I think _they_ can explain it quite easily. :rolleyes:
 
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