Is Obama planning to attack Saudi Arabia?

Anders doesn't realise that the CIA/MI6 have actually crept into his house at night and swapped his favourite breakfast cereal with one that contains a drug that induces severe paranoia and mental dysfunction. They do this because Anders is the brightest person in the world, the sole person who isn't in on the conspiracy and he would be able to figure out the whole NWO/lizard people/shadowy cabal in seconds. Instead the drugs in his cornflakes send him on the wrong path and he effectively becomes a disinfo-agent without realising it. Because everyone else is in on it he actually acts as a disinfo-agent to himself! That's genius that is.

The only side effect is it doesn't allow him to post more than one line of text on an internet forum otherwise he has to jump up and down 100 times, spin round 200 times and then write out 1000 lines stating "I must not post more than one line of text on the internets!" He's a very troubled man.

How do I know all this? Well there are TV cameras in his TV, PC, inside his fridge (yeah that's an amusing film) inbetween the cracks of the tiles in the bathroom, in the light fittings etc, etc. We have a team of over 500 people closely monitoring Anders - he's a very dangerous but unfunny man. Best ignored because we have him under control.
 
"Turmoil In Saudi Arabia May Quicken A Western Offensive

The Middle East crisis appears to be nearing critical point with violence breaking out in Saudi Arabia, the region richest in oil reserves.
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Saudi Arabia is by far the most important country to Western powers because a major disruption in the supply of Saudi oil would drastically affect the economies of Western powers attempting to come out of the biggest recession in contemporary times. Libya’s Gaddafi is sitting on the largest oil reserves in Africa but the United States and most European countries are heavily dependent on Saudi oil. If the breakdown in the supply of oil to the West occurs, Western leaders, particularly President Obama, will find it impossible to resist pressures to take direct action.

... But if the Saudi supply is hampered the effect will not only be felt in the oil market but spur on strategic moves that will have unforeseeable consequences. ... Western powers may hem and haw about taking action against Gaddafi forces such as in the establishment of a No Fly Zone which will ground aircraft but if the stability of Saudi Arabia is threatened their game plan will certainly change."

Full story: http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/03/13/turmoil-in-saudi-arabia-may-quicken-a-western-offensive/
 
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Anders Lindman said:
I can't tell you what Japan's government is like, since I don't know about the real deals between the leaders of China and Japan. It's secret stuff, not something written about in newspapers.
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If it's so secret that you know nothing about it, then how do you know they're in bed with each other? Why even imagine that they are, to the contradiction of actual evidence? Is it just more fun that way?
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
If it's so secret that you know nothing about it, then how do you know they're in bed with each other? Why even imagine that they are, to the contradiction of actual evidence? Is it just more fun that way?
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It's only a guess I must admit. The idea is that Japan and China are geographically and culturally fairly close to each other and so that they would team up against the west in a very tricky game.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I would be surprised if any expert historian would say that the atom bomb is a hoax. If we assume that it is a hoax, even then, not many experts would know about it. Only people with "need to know" would know, which means very, very few people, possibly not even the U.S. president would know about it.
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Should I take the above as a tacit admission that you have absolutely no documentary evidence at all to support your claim? If so, then my initial statement was correct: your claim is a steaming pile of crazy.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Should I take the above as a tacit admission that you have absolutely no documentary evidence at all to support your claim? If so, then my initial statement was correct: your claim is a steaming pile of crazy.
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How about a lack of positive evidence? The mushroom clouds should have been visible over vast areas in Japan for a long period of time. The Japanese people were very much into photography even back in the 40s. Where are all the amateur photos of mushroom clouds? There should be thousands! Yet I have only found a few doubtful pictures. Suspicious as hell imo.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Heat radiation would hardly LOWER the temperature allowing for new condensation to take place.
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Granted. Nevertheless, everyone can plainly see the condensation forming and then evaporating again, so I guess the heat flash ain't the only force in play.

If you think otherwise, perhaps you could explain what you think the clip actually shows. (If your response is that you think the clip is faked, by the way, why did you bother posting it in the first place?)
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Granted. Nevertheless, everyone can plainly see the condensation forming and then evaporating again, so I guess the heat flash ain't the only force in play.

If you think otherwise, perhaps you could explain what you think the clip actually shows. (If your response is that you think the clip is faked, by the way, why did you bother posting it in the first place?)
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It looks to me that the clouds remain the same! It's like they have made a double exposure with an explosion superimposed onto another film, and then brushed in fake shadows on the clouds.
 
Anders Lindman said:
The ocean water at the detonation area would have turned into water fuel! Imagine billions of tons of hydrogen and oxygen being ignited.
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You do appreciate that the energy released by hydrogen and oxygen recombining is the same as the energy it absorbs when being split apart in the first place, right?
 
Anders Lindman said:
It looks to me that the clouds remain the same! It's like they have made a double exposure with an explosion superimposed onto another film, and then brushed in fake shadows on the clouds.
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Yes, it looks to me like the clouds remain pretty much the same too. If you want to convince us that's wrong, I think you might have to show some evidence rather than just say it looks wrong to you.

Can you tell us for how many decades that clip has been in the public domain? Do you think anyone could fake movie footage in the way you suggest, way back then?
 
Anders Lindman said:
How about a lack of positive evidence? The mushroom clouds should have been visible over vast areas in Japan for a long period of time. The Japanese people were very much into photography even back in the 40s. Where are all the amateur photos of mushroom clouds? There should be thousands! Yet I have only found a few doubtful pictures. Suspicious as hell imo.
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Yes, I guess all that documentary evidence demonstrating the development of the atomic bomb, the detonation of an atomic bomb, the training of the air crews, the plans for the bombing missions, the photographic record of the damage to the two cities, the testimonials from the residents of those cities, the post-war examination of the damage wrought by the bombs and the effect of radiation on the citizenry, and much, much more, I guess all of that is faked then?

Your claim is a steaming pile of crazy. Honestly, seek professional help. Your detachment from reality is alarming.
 
Anders Lindman said:
How about a lack of positive evidence? The mushroom clouds should have been visible over vast areas in Japan for a long period of time. The Japanese people were very much into photography even back in the 40s. Where are all the amateur photos of mushroom clouds? There should be thousands! Yet I have only found a few doubtful pictures. Suspicious as hell imo.
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What do you regard as a "vast area" and a "long time"? Care to put a figure on those?

Where are the "thousands" of photos taken during the bombing of Dresden? Where are the "thousands" of similar photos from Coventry? From anywhere?

If you find these things "suspicious as hell" it's only because you are an exceptionally poor judge of what is and isn't suspicious.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Yes, I guess all that documentary evidence demonstrating the development of the atomic bomb, the detonation of an atomic bomb, the training of the air crews, the plans for the bombing missions, the photographic record of the damage to the two cities, the testimonials from the residents of those cities, the post-war examination of the damage wrought by the bombs and the effect of radiation on the citizenry, and much, much more, I guess all of that is faked then?
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Don't forget the video of the detonations from the air.

Your claim is a steaming pile of crazy. Honestly, seek professional help. Your detachment from reality is alarming.
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The more I read from him the more I'm convinced that he's simply trolling. The frequency with which he posts may be a point against that, but if not, that just makes the situation that much more pathetic. Maybe he just needs a better hobby...
 
China/Japan Alternate Theory

I'll donate this one, Anders. Like my Roll Into Mexico and Canada and secure Venezuela theory, it plays out much better if you actually know anything about China/Japan history.

How about.... China is pretending to make friends and settle old squabbles with Japan, knowing that with each passing day Japan's quasi-imperialist economy gets closer to bankruptcy, and China will just help them along their way by forcing up the prices of natural resources around the world.

One day, around 2017, when Japan has to come begging to China for loans, the Chinese will make it into a ceremony that includes the Japanese PM groveling and apologizing (a Class A apology*) for its centuries of transgressions against the Chinese people, its theft and corruption of the Chinese language and culture, and the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. And within a decade of that, Japan becomes a colony of China.

Sounds like something out of Tai Pan, right? Don't discount it, minus the dramatic flourishes. It's far more accurate a portrayal of what the Chinese think in regards Japan than what you're dreaming up.


*The Chinese actually codify how one apologizes. Some PM saying in a speech that he personally thinks Japan might've gone a little overboard in WWII is not a proper apology.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
I'll donate this one, Anders. Like my Roll Into Mexico and Canada and secure Venezuela theory, it plays out much better if you actually know anything about China/Japan history.

How about.... China is pretending to make friends and settle old squabbles with Japan, knowing that with each passing day Japan's quasi-imperialist economy gets closer to bankruptcy, and China will just help them along their way by forcing up the prices of natural resources around the world.

One day, around 2017, when Japan has to come begging to China for loans, the Chinese will make it into a ceremony that includes the Japanese PM groveling and apologizing (a Class A apology*) for its centuries of transgressions against the Chinese people, its theft and corruption of the Chinese language and culture, and the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. And within a decade of that, Japan becomes a colony of China.

Sounds like something out of Tai Pan, right? Don't discount it, minus the dramatic flourishes. It's far more accurate a portrayal of what the Chinese think in regards Japan than what you're dreaming up.


*The Chinese actually codify how one apologizes. Some PM saying in a speech that he personally thinks Japan might've gone a little overboard in WWII is not a proper apology.
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My idea was that leaders of countries are cooperating with each other, even though their people believe their nations are enemies. For example, during the Cold War, Soviet Union and the U.S. were enemies on paper while in reality it was a hoax war with the leaders cooperating with each other to hold their own populations in line.

And furthermore, the idea was that the cooperation between the leaders of China and Japan has been going on for thousands of years! A friendship that is not shaken by petty small things like the economy or politics. A friendship that includes fooling the western powers, all the way from the British empire to U.S. politics today.
 
Anders Lindman said:
My idea was that leaders of countries are cooperating with each other, even though their people believe their nations are enemies. For example, during the Cold War, Soviet Union and the U.S. were enemies on paper while in reality it was a hoax war with the leaders cooperating with each other to hold their own populations in line.

And furthermore, the idea was that the cooperation between the leaders of China and Japan has been going on for thousands of years! A friendship that is not shaken by petty small things like the economy or politics. A friendship that includes fooling the western powers, all the way from the British empire to U.S. politics today.
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Evidence of this? I'm going to play to odds here and say that you don't have any.
 
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